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Indie RPG Flare kicks cliches to the curb photo

You know, I love RPGs, but I get tired of watching them make the same mistakes or reinforce the same cliches over and over. Yeah, there is something great about the classic structure of grinding up your party's levels as you fight your way through countless random encounters, but it would be cool if RPG fans got to check out something radically restructured, wouldn't it?

One man has decided to take matters into his own hands when it comes to the state of RPGs. Jordan Roher, creator of Flare, describes his self-made game as the antidote to the predictable RPG formula, even going as far as listing bullet points on his website that state "No teenage hero, no spoiled princess, no amnesia" and more. In fact, his protagionist is female, in her forties, and facing a solar flare that could destroy the world she lives in. Different so far, yeah?

Jordan says that the game is still a work in progress, but you can check out the demo very soon (keep an eye on it here). He's also on the lookout for artists, voice actors, and programmers to help to finish the ambitious title, so if you're in the mood to be a part of such a project, you can contact him at jordanroher@gmail.com.

What do you think about an RPG that pointedly purses a different approach to the genre? Do you want something like that, or would you be perfectly happy if they stayed the same forever?








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's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 16:44
Clint
Durp. I can't hear "kick to the curb" now with out thinking of Gurren Lagann >.< The game sounds awesome though; I'll have to check it out!
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 16:46
EternalDeathSlayer
I would absolutely fucking love to see something different within the RPG genre.

I'm tired of the same old shit.
brimtastic's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 16:52
brimtastic
While I do enjoy my clichés, I'm always interested in finding something new. An older protagonist is something I've thought would be cool and I'm surprised it hasn't really been done before. As for the flare-plot, that sounds like it could lead to some very cool things.

Now just attatch a good game to it and I'll be buying.
Tye The Czar's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 16:53
Tye The Czar
WANT!
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 16:57
PappaDukes
I like teenage heroes, spoiled princesses and ancient prophecies.

But I also like any kind of RPG, so as long as this game's fun, then I'm all in.
SWE3tMadness's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 17:02
SWE3tMadness
"Durp. I can't hear "kick to the curb" now with out thinking of Gurren Lagann >.< "

Heh, same here. I just finished watching the series yesterday. :D

Anyways, this sounds like a really ambitious project, however, Tropes Are Not Bad. RPG's reuse certain patterns because they work. If used correctly, the amnesiac, teenaged hero can still be a well-written and memorable character.

I appreciate someone trying something new with the genre, but if it's not actually fun to play, the mere fact that the developer averts or subverts those cliches and tropes isn't going to mean anything, and it certainly won't make me want to buy it.

So I'm going to stay a little skeptical of this until I see the finished product.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 17:12
Darren Nakamura
It's nice to see him actively avoiding cliches, but it won't save it if the gameplay and/or story is bad. I'd take an awesome cliched RPG over a terrible-but-novel RPG.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 17:25
Elsa
Sounds good!!
(especially the over 40 female protagonist LOL!... someone I can finally relate to... that and saving the world of course!)
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 17:25
Tubatic
Elsa VS The Sun!

YES!
TheDirtyHobo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 17:30
TheDirtyHobo
This reeks of pretentiousness in its early stages. Not as much as, say, Bob's Game, but it's there. Pretentious isn't necessarily bad, but neither are the cliches he's making such a big deal of dropping.

Worth keeping an eye out for, but I'm really not expecting too much from this.
Jeckyll007's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 17:35
Jeckyll007
Not ANOTHER 40-something, divorced, solar-magic-wielding witch on a quest to save save the world from a titanic solar flare.
BGFUSAB's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 17:39
BGFUSAB
You know, I love just about all RPGs. I love those old cliched JRPGs, that I've bene playing since I've been a kid. I love the darker grittier WRPGs. I love the one's that mock the genre. I hope that we get to continue games of the type we've been playings for years but I also want to see designers like Jordan push RPGs into new directions and take it new places it's never been before. I suppose some people see things in the old style as tired, but for me they give me great nostalgia. But old or new has nothing to do with good, and even though they're different, they can both be a ton of fun.
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 17:46
garison
@Elsa:

Ya, when I read that, I immidiately thought of you! Game sounds totally awesome, doesn't it?
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 17:55
Cowboy TTop
I disagree. Tropes/cliches are a very bad thing, in both anime and games. Two decades of jrpgs dragging out the same rusty boats for use is annoying, and through such measures, the genre stagnates. It stays the same, not because they work, but out of fear of change.

It will take an indie game to shake things up, so be it. Good luck, Flame and watch out Japan.
Xhumation's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 17:55
Xhumation
Sounds really interesting I must say. I hope it turns out ok.
Gyrael's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 17:59
Gyrael
Sounds good.
lewness's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 18:12
lewness
Isn't kicking cliches now a cliche too (it's your fault, KoL!!!)?

Anywho, I'd still like to play this if it turns out good, genre-breaking or otherwise.
bluemeep's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 18:56
bluemeep
I am intrigued by this product and express my intentions on purchasing it.
Trebz's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 19:15
Trebz
Sounds good. Cliches are still important but if we can have something different now and again I'm very happy. If Jordan Roher makes something that I want to buy, I will give him the money so I can have it.
Toneman's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 19:19
Toneman
I remember talking to him at PAX. Pretty cool guy.
Brian Szabelski's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 20:02
Brian Szabelski
Here's hoping it all works out well. And by that, I mean it doesn't suck.
HiddenAHB's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 20:08
HiddenAHB
This, Venetica and Risen make me love the 360 and his indie RPG's.
Plus, we're playing as Elsa, so it's going to be awesome.
mcmaddlepuss's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 22:57
mcmaddlepuss
I think this sounds great, pats on the back to the creator. There isn't that much original thinking out there these days.
Miss Kims's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 23:04
Miss Kims
I know Jordan he is awesome!
januskirin's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/09/2009 23:29
januskirin
Hi folks,

Thanks for the support! I got a ton of e-mails from people looking to help with Flare. Does anybody know any female voice actors who might want to help? Not too many of those. Anyway, the game's still a loooong ways off, but I'll try not to let you all down. Maybe I'll even beat Mother 3 to a US release. Ah ha ha... *cries*

And Miss Kims, what are you doing here?!?!

Jordan Roher
shinigamiDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2009 02:00
shinigamiDude
I'll looking forward to the demo,Jordan :)
zod000's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2009 06:11
zod000
Sounds cool, but a demo will decide whether nega-features are enough to warrant a purchase.
X-angwin8r's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2009 09:30
X-angwin8r
Always nice to see a game trying to break old molds. Granted, innovation doesn't always equal quality, but it still has to count for something.
EggmaniMN's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2009 11:38
EggmaniMN
The act of attempting to not use cliches is, in itself, a cliche. Also, the fact that the world is threatened by some imaginable thing has been done to death. Specifically, the sun was used in Digital Devil Saga. Except it was a sun made of DATA.

There are plenty of RPGs that don't rely only on cliches. And there are tons of RPGs that do use them that are universally loved. Just look at Planescape: Torment. Everyone bows down to it but it still uses the amnesiac hero. Is it a bad thing? Only if you sit there and tell yourself that.

Cliches are not inherently bad. They're just ideas and loose frameworks. It's the writing and delivery of those cliches that creates a good or bad story.
Daniel Starkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2009 11:54
Daniel Starkey
Virtually all of those cliches stem from Japanese RPG's. A genre I abandoned long ago as one holding little more than a sea of hackneyed plots with unlikable characters.
welkstar's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2009 12:57
welkstar
Hmmm... interesting. But maybe RPG cliches are the reason we like them so much?
LsTr Of SmG's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/10/2009 13:04
LsTr Of SmG
Throwing in an offer of assistance too Jordan, you'll probably receive and e-mail from me shortly. No worries if I'm not needed! I wish you luck! =D
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