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Agreed. I think the last RPG I really enjoyed was Lost Odyssey...how many have come out since then? I couldn't even look at FFXIII without getting angry. Here's hoping 'The Last Story' helps to right the ship.
I'm pretty excited for some Japanese games. But saying your own country is 5 years behind is a bit harsh.
I miss my JRPGs...as recently as the PS2, I was having a grand old time.
Now, the best I've seen this gen is still Tales of Vesperia. And that's 2 years old!
Now, the best I've seen this gen is still Tales of Vesperia. And that's 2 years old!
Infaune is Geddy Lee?
I don't know about Keiji's constant bashing of the Japanese market. They seem to be doing fine in their native land. I know that it's never great to have a lockdown on only one market, but the Japanese don't dislike games, so I doubt they will ever fail.
I don't know about Keiji's constant bashing of the Japanese market. They seem to be doing fine in their native land. I know that it's never great to have a lockdown on only one market, but the Japanese don't dislike games, so I doubt they will ever fail.
Japanese game design has been archaic of late, but I don't think it needs to be abandoned for western ideals. I'd like to see more of the east/west fusion we are getting with Vanquish.
Step 1 - stop Bieber May Cry from being made.
Step 2 - make DMC 5 based off an HD DMC3 engine, and have it star Vergil.
Step 3 - profit.
Step 2 - make DMC 5 based off an HD DMC3 engine, and have it star Vergil.
Step 3 - profit.
I like that Inafune talks mad yang about Japanese game making. A little smack talk could go along way to pushing some pride buttons in those old companies.
And it's working, right? Quantum theory may be a Japanese stab at stop and pop, and it may not be great, but there's an attempt to branch J-Style 3rd Person Actioners out of the pre-DMC comfort zone that eastern developers mostly hang out in (aside from platinum and grasshopper)
And it's working, right? Quantum theory may be a Japanese stab at stop and pop, and it may not be great, but there's an attempt to branch J-Style 3rd Person Actioners out of the pre-DMC comfort zone that eastern developers mostly hang out in (aside from platinum and grasshopper)
Weird how the vast majority of the best games this year have been Japanese then.
Bayonetta, Persona 3 Portable, Valkyria Chronicles 2, Peace Walker, Mario Galaxy 2, Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep, No More Heroes 2, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Yakuza 3, Pokemon Heart Gold/Soul Silver.
FFXIII, depending on your tastes and how far you actually got in the game.
Whats the biggest upcoming game coming soon?
Dead Rising 2, Inafune's game.
Vanquish is coming. 3DS is rumoured for Nov 22, Valkyria 3, Catherine, Gran Turismo 5.
It's largely depending on your taste, but Japanese gaming is strong as ever.
Bayonetta, Persona 3 Portable, Valkyria Chronicles 2, Peace Walker, Mario Galaxy 2, Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep, No More Heroes 2, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Yakuza 3, Pokemon Heart Gold/Soul Silver.
FFXIII, depending on your tastes and how far you actually got in the game.
Whats the biggest upcoming game coming soon?
Dead Rising 2, Inafune's game.
Vanquish is coming. 3DS is rumoured for Nov 22, Valkyria 3, Catherine, Gran Turismo 5.
It's largely depending on your taste, but Japanese gaming is strong as ever.
""I look around Tokyo Games Show, and everyone's making awful games," says Inafune."
Is it wrong that I laughed so hard at this? I can just imagine him walking around shouting "YOUR GAMES ARE BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD".
Is it wrong that I laughed so hard at this? I can just imagine him walking around shouting "YOUR GAMES ARE BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD".
@Aurain
While I disagree that those games have been the best this year, or that a few of them were good in general, I agree Japan's presence has been really strong as of late.
I mean I can't remember a time when the Eastern gaming crowd was this happy. To see the East pull these BS "Let's be more Western" stunts is really kind of frustrating to watch. And I don't even care for them.
While I disagree that those games have been the best this year, or that a few of them were good in general, I agree Japan's presence has been really strong as of late.
I mean I can't remember a time when the Eastern gaming crowd was this happy. To see the East pull these BS "Let's be more Western" stunts is really kind of frustrating to watch. And I don't even care for them.
"I want to study how Westerners live, and make games that appeal to them."
As much as it's good to hear that, it's also part of the problem I think. Up until the mid 00's Japanese developers were making Japanese games, and that's what I love(d) about them. When they start to think like a Western or tailor their games to us, they lose their Japanese "soul". Millions upon millions of people bought Japanese games before they were severely westernized.
I think it's just a misconception of what people think they want, and what the providers of those wants think what is wanted of them, regardless of nationality.
Sorry about that last sentence :)
As much as it's good to hear that, it's also part of the problem I think. Up until the mid 00's Japanese developers were making Japanese games, and that's what I love(d) about them. When they start to think like a Western or tailor their games to us, they lose their Japanese "soul". Millions upon millions of people bought Japanese games before they were severely westernized.
I think it's just a misconception of what people think they want, and what the providers of those wants think what is wanted of them, regardless of nationality.
Sorry about that last sentence :)
@Aurain
My taste liked FF13 enough to finish it, and my taste gives it an 9/10, as my tastes loved that combat system. And my taste gives Sazh a "best FF character ever" award.
I do like Japanese games, it's just that they're aren't as many high quality JRPGs. The PS1/PS2 era was a JRPG a month, with few bad ones. Not to say their are none now, I'm adoring VC1 right now. And it's Skies of Arcadia squad members.
That said, the Japanese still know how to make a high-octane action game. Unlike the west, which is loving realism/semi-realism, and getting away from zany, over the top action.
My taste liked FF13 enough to finish it, and my taste gives it an 9/10, as my tastes loved that combat system. And my taste gives Sazh a "best FF character ever" award.
I do like Japanese games, it's just that they're aren't as many high quality JRPGs. The PS1/PS2 era was a JRPG a month, with few bad ones. Not to say their are none now, I'm adoring VC1 right now. And it's Skies of Arcadia squad members.
That said, the Japanese still know how to make a high-octane action game. Unlike the west, which is loving realism/semi-realism, and getting away from zany, over the top action.
I agree partly with what he said. but nintendo is japanese and they are kicking butt with the games they are bringing out. Look at America shooters like crazy! We need more platforers. :)
@Gilgamesh1317 I'm imagining him walking around with a delirious expression, his eyes wild with panic and desperation. "SHITTY GAMES! I'M SURROUNDED BY SHITTY GAMES!"
What's strange is how I feel more love for Capcom's Japanese offerings than their "reverse weeaboo" stunts.
You want to make money? POWER STONE THREE. Do that shit.
You want to make money? POWER STONE THREE. Do that shit.
@Onyx
Atleier Rorona and Ar tonelico Qoga are on the horizon. I believe Rorona is next week in the US. Even if it turns out below average, there are developers coming out with classic JRPG's still.
Atleier Rorona and Ar tonelico Qoga are on the horizon. I believe Rorona is next week in the US. Even if it turns out below average, there are developers coming out with classic JRPG's still.
RPGs are slagging behind in a huge way, sure - but almost every game I'm looking forward to is of Japanese origin. Marvel vs Capcom 3, King of Fighters XIII, Disgaea 4, Sengoku Basara 3, Valkyria Chronicle 3, Ni No Kuni, PixelJunk Lifelike... heck, even Gal Gun looks entertaining to me. I'll take these games over the endless streams of GTA and COD entries/clones any day of the week.
When he says he wants to make games for Westerners, it makes me worry. Many of Capcom's most flawed games have been ones that included features for the sake of courting Western audiences (Resident Evil 5 comes to mind, as well as Dark Void and Lost Planet 2). If Capcom were to completely abandon their hometown flavor, they'd cease to be Capcom.
And when I hear him say that all the games of TGS were awful - seriously, he sounds like a blind asshole. There were plenty of great f'ing games shown off.
When he says he wants to make games for Westerners, it makes me worry. Many of Capcom's most flawed games have been ones that included features for the sake of courting Western audiences (Resident Evil 5 comes to mind, as well as Dark Void and Lost Planet 2). If Capcom were to completely abandon their hometown flavor, they'd cease to be Capcom.
And when I hear him say that all the games of TGS were awful - seriously, he sounds like a blind asshole. There were plenty of great f'ing games shown off.
@the7k
I'll take these games over the endless streams of GTA and COD entries/clones any day of the week.
What is this? 2003?
I'll take these games over the endless streams of GTA and COD entries/clones any day of the week.
What is this? 2003?
@Xzy
I wouldn't argue that GTA clones are abundant, and most are pretty good.
That being said CoD and it's sister franchise Battlefield's increasingly annual entries are nothing to be proud of. They're all the same shit.
I wouldn't argue that GTA clones are abundant, and most are pretty good.
That being said CoD and it's sister franchise Battlefield's increasingly annual entries are nothing to be proud of. They're all the same shit.
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"That being said CoD and it's sister franchise Battlefield's increasingly annual entries are nothing to be proud of. They're all the same shit."
Aurain
imagine there are ppl saying the same about every recently released jrpg. they are all the same shit
Aurain
imagine there are ppl saying the same about every recently released jrpg. they are all the same shit
But they're not recycling the same era specific weaponry despite the game being set 40 years prior like Black Ops.
Giddy lee would like a word with u. Rush is so much better then Anthing that guy out out. Tarnish the lee ? For shame.
@Aurain
"But they're not recycling the same era specific weaponry despite the game being set 40 years prior like Black Ops."
JRPGs recycle plenty enough as it is.
"But they're not recycling the same era specific weaponry despite the game being set 40 years prior like Black Ops."
JRPGs recycle plenty enough as it is.
I believe the japanese are very creative in concepts. Still I am glad that the gaming development expanded far across the seas.
@Xzy
What is this? 2003?
Maybe when things stop looking like they did a decade ago. I look at games like Mafia II, InFamous, Prototype, Red Dead Redemption, and a few others, and all I see are GTA clones. (Some higher quality than others, obviously.) The amount of FPSs out there that have decided to whole-sale rip-off COD are too innumerable to count, although the recent bastardization of Medal of Honor is one that hit me, considering I loved the series on the PS1 and PS2.
What is this? 2003?
Maybe when things stop looking like they did a decade ago. I look at games like Mafia II, InFamous, Prototype, Red Dead Redemption, and a few others, and all I see are GTA clones. (Some higher quality than others, obviously.) The amount of FPSs out there that have decided to whole-sale rip-off COD are too innumerable to count, although the recent bastardization of Medal of Honor is one that hit me, considering I loved the series on the PS1 and PS2.
It seems like every time there is a big western release like Halo: Reach, the japanese devs say the sky is falling. There were several good releases earlier this year. Just realize that you can't spend 5 years making cut scene extravaganzas with chose your flavor auto battle systems and you'll find your way.
Stay you, Japan. We don't need any more FPS shooter factories.
Stay you, Japan. We don't need any more FPS shooter factories.
maybe technical japan is behind the west , but most western games are generic like hell (looking at all the fps'games)
I agree 100% with his jrpg statement. Years ago, all I played were jrpgs. Now, with the exceptions of Demon's Souls and Half Minute Hero, I just couldn't give a damn.
Still there are plenty of good Japanese games coming. However, the great majority of them have Capcom or Nintendo behind them...
Still there are plenty of good Japanese games coming. However, the great majority of them have Capcom or Nintendo behind them...
Wow i honestly can't think of any worthwhile western games either.
Japans held more of my interest however, Who gives a damn about where the game came form, i care more about whether its fun or not.
Im significantly more out of the gaming loop then before but, aside from red dead whatever, what's another critically acclaimed western game? Not even being sarcastic.
Final Fantasy Xiii regardless of how you felt about it was a polished game. Your opinion on it is subjective, but there is no denying that it was a well put together game and easily deserving of the final fantasy name. Everyone jumped on the 2ch bandwagon before the game came out and shouted about ti being linear, BEFORE PLAYING IT. It's pretty difficult to shake that, but it did for me.
i dont care what argument you use against JRPG's at least they all attempt to be slightly different with different battle systems characters and stories.
Fps's are generally just copy paste with different guns, different 4 hour campaign, 5 copy paste mutiplayer maps with different skins, and about 3 original ones change the time period and the arm you see on screen and, yup new 60 dollar Fps.
I'll have to say though regardless of how you feel about any of this, why does what he says matter in the least? Everyone needs to stop seeing this as some fucking race against the nations and everyone needs to shut the fuck up and make games, if every game was ideal to every designer every game would be the same.
Japans held more of my interest however, Who gives a damn about where the game came form, i care more about whether its fun or not.
Im significantly more out of the gaming loop then before but, aside from red dead whatever, what's another critically acclaimed western game? Not even being sarcastic.
Final Fantasy Xiii regardless of how you felt about it was a polished game. Your opinion on it is subjective, but there is no denying that it was a well put together game and easily deserving of the final fantasy name. Everyone jumped on the 2ch bandwagon before the game came out and shouted about ti being linear, BEFORE PLAYING IT. It's pretty difficult to shake that, but it did for me.
i dont care what argument you use against JRPG's at least they all attempt to be slightly different with different battle systems characters and stories.
Fps's are generally just copy paste with different guns, different 4 hour campaign, 5 copy paste mutiplayer maps with different skins, and about 3 original ones change the time period and the arm you see on screen and, yup new 60 dollar Fps.
I'll have to say though regardless of how you feel about any of this, why does what he says matter in the least? Everyone needs to stop seeing this as some fucking race against the nations and everyone needs to shut the fuck up and make games, if every game was ideal to every designer every game would be the same.
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