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A group of four senators have called for the Nintendo Wii to be dealt with more harshly by the ESRB, because the Wii remote allows for more interactivity and, apparently, teaches children how to kill people. Yes, they seriously suggest that the Wiimote is a valuable tool for an education in murder.

"That system permits children to act out each of the many graphic torture scenes and murders in Manhunt 2 rather than simply manipulating a game pad," claimed the senators as they called for a re-re-rate of Rockstar's latest mess. "This led one clinical psychologist to state that the realistic motions used with the Wii mean that 'You're basically teaching a child the behavioral sequencing of killing.' While this was not cited as the reason for the BBFC decision, we do believe that the ESRB should take the Wiimote controller, and future advances in game controllers, which create more realistic gaming environments, into consideration."

Of course, the biggest problem here is that they are once again hiding behind the children to justify their thirst for regulation. Manhunt 2 is rated M for Mature, not K for Kiddy Killin's A-GoGo. As Nintendo pointed out, the average gamer age is 33 and this game is not intended for young children. Some people need to evolve their prehistoric thinking. We've moved on from the age of Tetris.

The letter goes on to challenge the ESRB's authority, essentially, asking it to review the "robustness" of its rating system. Of all the things I could say about the ESRB, I would never accuse it of slacking. It only allowed Manhunt 2 to become an M-rated game after edits were made, so these senators clearly don't know what they're talking about. What scares me though, are the claims made against the ESRB's system, as if it isn't good enough. Disagree with the ESRB I sometimes may, but I do not want government poking its nose into the board's affairs. A government-controlled ratings board would mean the death of videogame evolution. GTFO our ratings board, senators.

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Brandon Undead's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 07:20
Brandon Undead
This government's gotta go.

GOOGLE RON PAUL.
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 07:23
John B
And should I be surprised that no one seems to want to mention that Democrats account for THREE of the four that complained?

* Sens. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.)
* Evan Bayh (D-Ind.)
* Sam Brownback (R-Kan.)

and most importantly...

* Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) <====!!!!!

(Leiberman is actually a Democrat but ran -- and obviously won -- as an independent because of a failed coup against him by the DNC in Connecticut a few years back.)
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 07:23
John B
Oh, jeez. Ron Paul spam. What is this? Digg-structoid?
CannibalCalvin 's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 07:24
CannibalCalvin
Ron Paul will lead this country to ruin and anarchy!

GOOGLE CTHULHU!
LimeGuardian's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 07:30
LimeGuardian
Well, they needed a scapegoat so they can reach all of those out-of-touch parents.
Brandon Undead's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 07:39
Brandon Undead
Cthulu will lead the country to celstial mutation and slavery and he will sink us into the ocean!
CannibalCalvin 's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 07:41
CannibalCalvin
I'd rather have that than Roe V. Wade overturned!
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 07:49
Rockvillian
GIVEEMHELLGRAVEL
nademagnet's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 07:50
nademagnet
Good use of WWII propaganda.
geminibros's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 07:51
geminibros
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children?

The answer is so clear, I don't know why I never thought of it before. We gamers need to unite and break off to form our own nation. Imagine it, a land where the media embraces gaming across the board, where the developers are able to work unrestricted and where the folks who run things are too busy playing Call of Duty 4 online to worry about scarring young'uns with overly violent in-game content.

We probably wouldn't last more than a generation or two given the hideously unbalanced male-to-female ratio. Then again, with the proper breeding programs in place some folks who would otherwise have never had a chance at getting laid would in fact be required to by law.

Ah screw it... let's just keep bitching and referencing one another's sexual inclinations on Internet message boards. You know, keep on keepin' on with what REALLY makes a difference.

Me for President '08.
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 07:51
John B
Yikes!! CC, don't open up that tangent! For the love of ... whatever! Don't do that! Don't make me pull a Godwin intentionally!
Pariah's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 07:51
Pariah
I played Manhunt 2 a couple weeks ago. Nothing. Last night I played Rock Band. The downstairs neighbour started banging on the ceiling, pitching a bitch fit. So I scream loud enough for him to hear. FUCK YOU! COME UPSTAIRS AND TELL ME THAT I AM BEING LOUD, I WOULD HAVE TURNED IT OFF OR DOWN! NEXT TIME DONT BE A FUCKING TWAT YOUR STUPID BITCH!! He never came up. I went back to playing. Moral of the story? T rated games could lead to more violence than any M rated game. It was only 9 at night. WTF!?
CannibalCalvin 's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 07:53
CannibalCalvin
WELCOME TO THE INTERNET!

I really wasn't trying to open it, just trying to see if I could bait some trolls. lulz
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 07:55
John B
You're a naughty boy, CC. :)
dr3nd4r's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 07:57
dr3nd4r
this crap is totally pointless, the only way to keep adult games away from kids is to enforce the actual rating sistem.

the rest of this is pure and cheap populisim
fyre's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:04
fyre
@dr3nd4r

Populism is popular.
Boolean's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:04
Boolean
" A government-controlled ratings board would mean the death of videogame evolution"

HELOOOOOO AUSTRALIA!
StriderS's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:04
StriderS
Hey hey heyyy. Don't insult me, I can kill people with any controller, thank you very much.
WhiteX's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:08
WhiteX
As i said on GoNintendo...

This should be looked on the other side of things, if an M rated game gets a Wii port, because the Wii sell like hotcakes, and gets rated AO because of motion controls, it will become a huge commercial advantage to M$ and to Sony, on the other hand if the publisher tones down on the motion controls, fearing that it will get an AO rating and therefore not be sold at all, we will get the same game as the other platforms bu only uglier, not expanded on the platform strength, once again a commercial advantage to M$ and Sony, this buddies is pure lobbying.
dr3nd4r's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:08
dr3nd4r
@fyre

unfortunally, you're damn right.
pierrerodriguez's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:10
pierrerodriguez
I have found my wii experiences aid me in my various unfounded killing sprees where I murder old women for money to buy lynx games.*waggle* *waggle* DEATHBLOW!
Brandon Undead's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:10
Brandon Undead
Roe vs. Wade is not a decision to be made at the federal level. If anything, that decision belongs with individual states. That is reason enough to overturn it in that regard.
Power of the State is what the greatest country on the planet was founded on. It's gone, and we need it back. The rights of individual state government is hardly anarchy. Someone has been indoctrinated.
/tangent
Mauer's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:14
Mauer
What a whiney, pussified world we live in.
itemforty's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:15
itemforty
Nah.
RClarke's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:18
RClarke
"What scares me though, are the claims made against the ESRB's system, as if it isn't good enough."

LOL, good one. The ESRB system is fundamentally broken, and prevents games that address genuine adult themes (as opposed to mindless gore) from ever being made for the mainstream US market. It made sense to an industry desperately trying to sanitise it's output after Mortal Kombat and Night Trap, it's an anachronism now.

A decent ratings system would protect contentious content, instead of making it's A-O rating a commercial death warrant. Retailers banning a game is no better than the US Govt. banning it.
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:29
wardrox
urge to kill rising
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:30
catsithx
And I bet these senators just love to make a ruckus of course during a election year which seems to be every year
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:37
Excel-2011
If anything, the ESRB should be harsher on PC games because of the higher mortality rate that seems to occur with that demographic.
Nubc4kes's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:37
Nubc4kes
I seriously had to refrain from bashing my head against my keyboard when I read this. FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS HOLY! DROP THE WHOLE MANHUNT 2 THING AND STOP TRYING TO USE IT AS A WAY TO GET IN THE LIMELIGHT. IT'S A SUBPAR GAME WITH A LOT OF GORE GETTING WAY TO MUCH ATTENTION BECAUSE STUPID PEOPLE KEEP BRINGING IT UP. JUST LET IT GO ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like it has been said a billion times, it's rated M for a reason. It's not T. It's not K for Kiddy Killin's A-GoGo. It's Mature. Meaning ages 17 and up. Now if every Wii came with Manhunt 2 packed in it or if it was rated E, then I could understand a reason for controversy. The only controversy I see is bad parenting and a lack of monitoring what games kids are playing. So go take the letter and shove in your the trash can. Repeatedly.
DOOM's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:47
DOOM
Good, I hate the wiimote!
nicojay's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:48
nicojay
I have a bachelor of science in murder. The Wii is required study if I want to do my P.H.D.
DeusPayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:52
DeusPayne
In other news, pointing your fingers and going 'bang' will now be made illegal as hands imitating guns is responsible for a rise in violence in children. < /sarcasm>
nilcam's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:55
nilcam
The real problem is the present lack of parenting. Far too often I have seen game store managers warning the parents about M rated games, specifically GTA, and the parents say "Oh?" and then contemplate for about 10 seconds whether or not their 8 year old should be playing a game that allows players to randomly kill anyone and beat hookers to death after having sex with them. At about second 11, the reply is usually along the lines of "but that's what he wants." The information is there, but the parents don't usually have the sense to use it. And that equals fail.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:58
Holyetheline
That's just bloody arrogant of them. Politicians go home!
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 08:58
John B
@DeusPayne:

Just paint the tip of your finger with fluorescent orange and you'll be fine because it will verify that your fingernail is not a gun barrel.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 09:05
Jim Sterling
Nubc4kes: Um ... calm down and you don't have to read anything you don't want to read? Wow, talk about over-reaction.

This isn't even about Manhunt 2, that's just what the senators have used. The story is that they want Wii games to be rated more harshly. Besides which, isn't my job to cover the news? News came in, I covered it. Lord Christ almighty, go take some Valium.
Corncobtacular's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 09:13
Corncobtacular
I have always wondered if the wiimote had an influence on the original AO rating that manhunt 2 received. I can't help but shake the feeling that if manhunt 2 had been released on just the ps2 with no wii port around it would have been rated M from the beginning.

@ jim,
I think nubc4kes was yelling at the senators' stupidity in bringing up the game and not the fact that you brought it up in your news story.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 09:17
Jim Sterling
Oohh. See, people have said the exact things to ME that nubc4kes said to them. That's acceptable then. Though still, Valium is awesome.
brad drac's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 09:45
brad drac
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHH.

I feel that's all that needs to be said.

->John B: If you think the fact that it's democrats trying to push this is worthy of note, you haven't been following videogame legislation attempts all too closely.
Origim's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 09:59
Origim
Typical story in this day and age of people letting electronic devices do the job of parenting. Awesome header I need to steal that for my own purposes. Other than see Nilcam's post for my thoughts every time something like this happens.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 10:16
king3vbo
If Cthulu isnt elected president, Im moving to Canada!
Nubc4kes's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 10:17
Nubc4kes
@Jim:

I guess I wrote my post a little quickly and what I wrote didn't come off the way I wanted it to. I wasn't directing it at you. I'm just angry at politicians who won't drop the subject. Yes, I understand the idea is to make the ratings harsher on the Wii, but it is just a direct spin off of this whole Manhunt 2 shenanigans. I'm sorry I wrote it such a way that it seemed that I was pissed you wrote the story. I'm actually glad you wrote the story. I find all your posts very informative and awesome, particularly the ones that cover games in politics. So please accept my apology, and will contain all impulsive rage rants. Or I'll least read them through several times after I've cooled down before I post it.

<3 Nubc4kes
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 10:21
John B
@brad drac:

It was a shot at RetroForce Go/Podtoid for trying to call out conservatives with respect to game legislation in one of their podcasts a few weeks back, making it sound as though conservatives support this kind of legislative BS. Actually, we don't.
braulio09's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 10:22
braulio09
well, if ONE psychologist said it, IT MUST BE TRUE
TheExit's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 10:53
TheExit
Its stupid, and a waste of time. They need to let it go. Manhunt 2 is out, and done and over with. Focus on something that actually can do society good. No more of this violent videogame bullshit!
Ed Cetera's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 10:56
Ed Cetera
"Power of the State is what the greatest country on the planet was founded on. It's gone, and we need it back. The rights of individual state government is hardly anarchy. Someone has been indoctrinated.
/tangent"

Power of the state was one of the reasons why civil rights/anti-lynching legislation had a difficult time being passed in the early/mid twentieth century.
Brandon Undead's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 11:06
Brandon Undead
@ Ed: That's stupid. Those things had difficulty moving because people are reluctant to change. I still think the people en masse should be able to decide what is best for themselves.
jerrt's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 11:12
jerrt
some one needs to make a blatantly designed device that is a REAL murder training device. that way the people in power will have some sort of real comparison for "murder training devices". hell you could probably sell it to the government after you finish it. that in itself would be irony.
Paul Soth's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 11:21
Paul Soth
Mm, people often forget that in the wider scope of things that there really is little difference in most of the candidates now.

Personally, I'm just tired of the fact that since I support equal rights, health care reform, and the idea that rushing to war really isn't all that great; all of this somehow makes me a communist who wants to ban everything and thinks 9/11 was a government conspiracy.

Stop it! Just stop it!
Brian Szabelski's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2007 11:33
Brian Szabelski
I'll say the same thing about this that I said in my blog entry on this story last night: it's crap, the Wii should be treated no differently, and Hillary is a two-faced bitch.

Okay, so I didn't say the last part. But I thought it.
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