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Ignition is nixing gaijin voice-overs for Muramasa photo

Little tidbits about Vanillaware's Muramasa: The Demon Blade keep popping up lately, the latest being that Ignition Entertainment (who are publishing the title in North America) have decided to keep the original moonspeak voice-acting and only localize the sub-titles.

Here's what Business Development Director for Ignition (and ex-1Up Yours host) Shane Bettenhausen had to say during an interview with SiliconEra:

“For Muramasa we decided to stick with the original Japanese voices and only localize the text.”  “We felt the game was deeply steeped in Japanese tradition, mythology, and culture that trying to dub it, trying to make something more Western is really not a service to the product.”

Maybe I'm just a weeaboo, or a purist, but I wish more companies had a similar frame of mind. I'm just an altruistic hippy, but I like the idea that perhaps the "product" has some intrinsic value outside of the number of copies it sells. 

Oh wait. That's not true at all. 

Anyway, the translation is being outsourced to a "very high end" company, but hopefully a different one than whoever localized Ignition's Lux Pain, rendering it damn-near unplayable. Destructoid reader unangbangkay points out that Muramasa's release will create a three-way brawl for the title of "Best North American Publisher of a Vanillaware Game": Atlus and Nippon-Ichi brought over Odin Sphere and GrimGrimoire, respectively, two years ago.

So, let's have a chat: Do you prefer subs or dubs when it comes to Japanese games? And when Muramasa: The Demon Blade hits shelves in September for the Wii, are you buying it?

[via unanbangkay]


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Brlito's Avatar
Brlito at 06/12/2009 16:47
I approve.
Mr Kite's Avatar
Mr Kite at 06/12/2009 16:48
subs ftw.
Dan CiTi's Avatar
Dan CiTi at 06/12/2009 16:49
Cheap bastards.
Magnalon's Avatar
Magnalon at 06/12/2009 16:49
Maybe I'm just a weeaboo, or a purist
For wanting a Japanese game (literally taking place in Eastern geography, not developed by a Japanese studio) to feel more authentic? Don't be ashamed!

To answer your bonus questions: If I had a Wii, I'd buy Muramasa, even though it's a poor man's Odin Sphere (from what I played of it at E3). Also, I'm not a purist per se, because I'll always try the dub out. Bringing anime into play for an easy example: in the case of say, Cowboy Bebop, the dub is fine. Some anime, like Kenshin (aaah Kaoru you're so annoying), I'll switch back and forth when it gets unbearable.
Avalon51's Avatar
Avalon51 at 06/12/2009 16:49
Honestly? I bought Odin Sphere today, and all I can say is I'm relieved about this news
Monodi's Avatar
Monodi at 06/12/2009 16:50
Good, good. More publishers could learn from them.
RaunchyBulbasaur's Avatar
RaunchyBulbasaur at 06/12/2009 16:56
Odin Sphere was based more on Western mythology, so the dubbing was much more necessary. I don't think Muramasa would particularly benefit from English-speaking voice actors trying to pronounce a bunch of Japanese proper nouns.
L0cky's Avatar
L0cky at 06/12/2009 16:56
subs all the way !
even when voice over is done well still i always like the original voices a lot more.

japanese original voices ftw.
Dexter345's Avatar
Dexter345 at 06/12/2009 16:58
I prefer dubs, and I know I'm in the minority here. Really, I don't mind the idea of keeping the Japanese voices, but I'd like the option, rather than having only one or the other.
Daxelman's Avatar
Daxelman at 06/12/2009 17:03
I hate most Japanese voices.

So I go Dubs.
Conan-san's Avatar
Conan-san at 06/12/2009 17:07
Choice for the win

This for the lose.
Nicojay2's Avatar
Nicojay2 at 06/12/2009 17:09
But Gaijin dubs are comedy gold. When the story sucks and I don't want to skip it for fear of missing something important, stupid voice acting makes it bearable.
Vanilla Gorilla's Avatar
Vanilla Gorilla at 06/12/2009 17:31
Hell yeah.
Deathofthedead's Avatar
Deathofthedead at 06/12/2009 17:32
I'm with Raunchy Bulbasaur. This game's all about Japanese myth, so the characters speaking Japanese makes sense. But after Lux-Pain, Ignition had better step up their efforts.
Josh Tolentino's Avatar
Josh Tolentino at 06/12/2009 17:35
I almost always prefer subs, but there are times when going with Japanese voices only gets a bit disconcerting. For example, going Japanese with Disgaea got a bit weird, since the battle quotes used the English voiceover. As a result Laharl and crew sounded different in cutscenes and battles.

And going Japanese with Valkyria Chronicles was a tad odd as well, since the battle noises and voiceovers were NOT subtitled. While I can understand some Japanese, most of what came over to me on the radio was strange moon gibberish. Furthermore, that game was "dubtitled", i.e. using the English voiceover script rather than a more literal translation, so some lines, naming conventions and such were changed slightly to better capture the "feeling" of the dialog, if not the accuracy. The editing of the script was great, make no mistake, but even a cursory glance at GameFAQs message board will show that it pissed off a lot of the hardcore purists.

There are times when I DO prefer English, though. I prefer David Hayter's version of Solid Snake rather than Akio Otsuka's, and Jennifer Hale's performance as Naomi Hunter compared to Hiromi Tsuru's.

I'm also much friendlier to an English voiceover if it's the FIRST one I heard when playing the game, as I can more easily see (rather hear) the best portions of both versions. For example, Tracy Rooney's work as Chie in Persona 4 is almost as good as Yui Horie's in my mind.
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Kyousuke Nanbu at 06/12/2009 17:41
I think Muramasa will win best Vanillware game as neither Odin Sphere or Grim Grimoire are any good.

And good, I can't think of many gaming companies that care to hire decent voice actors so I'm all for leaving the voices as is.
F Whipple's Avatar
F Whipple at 06/12/2009 17:42
I prefer dubs because I'm illiterate.

But seriously, I don' care how "authentic" or "original" it is, give me dubs. I don't speak japanese.

Still want this game though.
ParaParaKing's Avatar
ParaParaKing at 06/12/2009 17:48
@Kyousuke Nanbu: You do realise that this game isn't that different to other Vanillaware games, do yo?
Necros's Avatar
Necros at 06/12/2009 18:39
There really should be the option either way. Personally, when I watch anime, I usually stick with the Japanese dub, unless the English dub is well done (happening more and more) and it fits the setting better (i.e. Western settings, away from Japan). I figure I'd do the same thing with games, if given the choice more often.

Actually, I just thought about this the other day: everyone's hoping for a Japanese dub track in FFXIII, and they claim it would just need a bit more room for a second audio track. While dual-tracks would work in many more games than they're actually in, Square actually slightly reanimates the mouth movements in their big-budget games, so just swapping between two audio tracks would give results similar to dubbing live action films - a.k.a. horrible.
Kia's Avatar
Kia at 06/12/2009 18:42
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Kia at 06/12/2009 18:43
What?! I -hate- subs! -_- If I buy a game I want to listen to it. If I want to read, I'll pick up a book. I don't buy games to have to read through everything, no matter where it takes place!

This isn't anything to do with "purism's sake", this is just them being too cheap to get a decent cast together. -_- This seriously, -seriously- pisses me off. Fuck Ignition.
Magnalon's Avatar
Magnalon at 06/12/2009 18:53
@Nanbu
Once again: you realize that this plays like a dumbed down Odin Sphere, right? Prepare to be disappointed.
Castro's Avatar
Castro at 06/12/2009 18:54
I seem to recall being really excited about Yakuza until I discovered that they wouldn't be keeping the original Japanese dialogue for the domestic release. Never played that game.
Corak's Avatar
Corak at 06/12/2009 18:59
I'd like a choice, but as with most foreign language games/film and the like I usually prefer subs to dubs. Jesus that sounded gangster. I don't mind subs as long as the voice acting is good. There are times where I prefer dubs, like someone said I also prefer Hayter's Solid Snake to the Japanese version but that's just personal preference. If they are done right dubs can be good but a lot of times the original is much better.
Monodi's Avatar
Monodi at 06/12/2009 19:00
Wow I thought there would be a better reaction. Well maybe adding both modes would have been fine anyway.
Josh Tolentino's Avatar
Josh Tolentino at 06/12/2009 19:00
@Castro

Good on you for that, though you may well have contributed to the fact that Yakuza 3 may never make it across the pond. The English VO for Yakuza is terrible and more or less eliminates one of the biggest draws of the franchise in Japan - top-tier voice/acting talent.

If you still want to play, get your hands on Yakuza 2. It includes a VERY in-depth recap of the first game, and went all Criterion Collection on itself, with no English voice acting, only Japanese with subs.

I remember seeing copies at my local Best Buy for $10 or less.
StMcDuck's Avatar
StMcDuck at 06/12/2009 19:01
English is confusing as it is. Keep it just to the text.
Castro's Avatar
Castro at 06/12/2009 19:15
@unangbangkay

I was all excited when I found out that Takashi Miike was doing the promotional movies or whatnot for Yakuza and I figured that they would try to keep that flavor for the American release of the game, but I was dead wrong.

I guess I can understand though. I've met many people in my day that refuse to watch a movie with subtitles. I do not associate with these people.

I did not know about the Yakuza 2 recap thing. That would be super-handy. I have found that most localized games have really shitty voice acting (I'm looking at you, Final Fantasy X) so I try not to support that. ESPECIALLY, when the subject matter itself makes the original Japanese voice acting seem so appropriate. Oh well!

Also, I apologize for the Yakuza 3 thing. That game looks rad and I don't know why they wouldn't release it here. How long could the localization take if they didn't have to add English voice actors?
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flaming burrito at 06/12/2009 21:44
Usually as long as the dubbing is done well I have no problem with it. But most of the time it isn't. Basically, do it right or don't do it at all.
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lovemana23 at 06/12/2009 22:37
It depends on the game. But for this game? Keep the original Japanese for sure! It makes complete sense. Because it`s set in feudal Japan. It immmediately reduces the games atmospheric impact if the voices are from modern day middle America...OBVIOUSLY! Good on Ignition for thinking of this shit.

And yes, I will be buying this frigging game. Anyone who doubts this games potential clearly doesnt know the pleasure of decent 2D gaming. This looks like pure, unadulterated, Nippon-ised, 2D Slashy/jumpy SEX, and most early reports suggest it is indeed a fine game. Ooooh yes please.
w4ffles's Avatar
w4ffles at 06/13/2009 02:12
Subs or bust. Same goes for anime.
Cadtalfryn's Avatar
Cadtalfryn at 06/13/2009 02:51
Dubs...I really would rather hear voices than be forced to read.
atastysammich's Avatar
atastysammich at 06/13/2009 07:49
Tch, I bet you [acquire by totally legal means] those "undubs" of the Persona games, too.
OldSkull's Avatar
OldSkull at 06/13/2009 10:37
Subs,please. Like with the movies... the reason we got a pathetic remake of REC (Quarantine) is mostly because "some people" canīt read subs...Quarantine is the same movie REC was including camera angles... thereīs no excuse for that...I think part of the game is the voice acting...look what they did with Siren1(Forbidden Siren):they almost ruined the game with that cheap dub. Thanks god, in Siren2, we had the option for the original voices...
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FlozaxRollins at 06/13/2009 12:10
Agreed 100%. I'm not a purist by any means, but I do enjoy it when a company knows when to maintain a certain flavor a game is meant to deliver.
Aziel13's Avatar
Aziel13 at 06/13/2009 18:01
and thats the way it should be
Dan CiTi's Avatar
Dan CiTi at 06/15/2009 15:50
THIS IS IS GOOD BECAUSE ALL ENGLISH SPEAKING PEOPLE ARE UNTALENTED CUNTS(excpet Campbell Lane) THAT SPEAK PIGDISGUSTING ENGLISH.
Ramar's Avatar
Ramar at 06/28/2009 12:25
Shane? Wow, he's moved out fast. Gotta keep an eye on this company. Wish I had money to buy stock.
Dan CiTi's Avatar
Dan CiTi at 08/31/2009 12:48
MGS was ruined by the dub, I'm glad this game wasn't.
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