What the fuck?? Why did that double post???

@Heros
Don't forget EA/Dice! They specifically said they wouldn't go this route.

well, the end of week is here. I guess I will be dicking around Borderland. Don't know what's the big fuzz about the dedicated server. Is it a principle thing? And btw I have been a PC gamer and went thru my share of hosting servers out in ISP for clans, etc. At the end, I have a big gap in my wallet. I like to see where all this is going and see if I like or dislike. Too early to say "Rage!!!!!"

What Knives said. The great thing about PC gaming is that lots of classic games still have amazing communities behind them. I can start up UT classic, Quake 3, CS 1.6, C&C, Age of Empires, BF1942, etc. and be able to find a game pretty quickly. If they don't support it, no big deal. I just won't be buying that game. Nothing will hurt them more than a lost sale.

I think it's a bit early to even comment on this.

1) No MP information has been revealed about Rage at all.
2) They clearly say they're waiting to see how it goes. They're not set on their plans yet.

ANeM summed up everything about dedi servers that makes the right.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew the piracy would begin gnawing at the shriveled husk of PC gaming from the inside eventually :(. Well, that and the industry's obvious preference for a console-centered market.

a new PC multiplayer era has begun.*

Also, what Monster said. We know nothing of RAGE multiplayer at this point. You know what game just came out and doesn't support dedicated servers? Borderlands. Yet I haven't heard anybody complain about it, aside from the whole retarded Gamespy issue.

"I still don't get why ANYONE, Dtoid staff included, would gloat/shit on the PC about lost value and less power to the consumer."

I am not gloating. It really does look bad for PC gamers that are into this shit.

@KrazyKraut
Yep! An era in which I abandon PC shooters due to corporate greed, whilst ignorant masses, who would enjoy extra features if they opened their eyes, gloat.

I can see it now: no more mod support for Valve games. Goodbye free DLC!

@Bloody
Most people have found that you need to change your port settings to even play Borderlands online. Personally, I think the game, on PC, is quite shit, considering I can barely find any games in matchmaking, whereas every other game I have with dedicated servers has hundreds of games at any given time.

A lot of reviews have also commented on the issues, and the PC version is actually just a console port.

@Child
Modern Warfare 2 360 has already been leaked, and download numbers are in the tens of thousands: the PC version is nowhere to be found.

BUT THEY STILL HAVE M+K FOR FPS's.

@Baluer
I get that, but when I drop $50-$60 bones on a game, it's nice to know that in years from now, I'll still be able to enjoy it on a dedicated server.

I'm still getting mileage out of my Unreal purchases, back when I could only afford a few games a year, and I know I'll be playing World at War and Modern Warfare 1 years from now :D

@KrazyKraut
a new era has begun! We'll call it...the 1980's!

Magnalon:

I liken it to watching a policeman beat up a Downe's Syndrome kid. At first, it's kind of funny to see the kid get his comeuppance after drooling all over the restaurant floor and putting you off your food. Then as the beating reaches its ninth minute, you stop laughing and start to really feel bad and think "ooh, this is going too far, actually."

@Jim
That just made my day <3. I wish you still wrote for Morphine Nation.

@Xzyliac
Yes, that's true, but the fact is that they shouldn't have to.

None of this surprises me. From the publisher's perspective, they stop making money once you buy the game. If they can offer the "same" experience without dedicated servers, that is what they are going to do. It's capitalism at work, friends. However, if all the EA and Activision games start going this route, I believe they will open the way for a smaller dev to launch a game with crazy modding capabilities and dedicated servers, possibly for a small monthly/annual fee. If I were a dev, that's what I'd be doing right now.

I will have to say this news somewhat sucks if it wasn't for the fact that its jumping to conclusions with little to no information. Carmack said it is not cast in stone and they are waiting to see if IW is successful on the PC with the lack of dedicated servers. With the overwhelming response from the PC community, I have faith that it will not be a success.

If it IS a success, there is one other factor to include here. We know NOTHING of Rage's multiplayer, in fact they have not said a single thing regarding it other than this. If the multiplayer is anything like borderlands, with lets say a 4-6 player coop multiplayer limit as id Software hinted way back in 2007 at quakecon, than no Dedicated servers really is not a huge blow to the game. Some house hold connections can handle that amount of players. With id Softwares infamous netcode, and wonderful ability to solving technical issues, I am sure there is something up their sleeve that will suffice.

And finally, this is just a fire feed from another fire. If dedicated servers do indeed leave Rage, that's the only thing we have to worry about. We know mod support is going to be there, we know custom maps and content will be there, and we know we will still have total freedom of configuration with the game as well. I know for sure there are at least two companies that will not abandon their communities, or strip it of all of its customization, and that's id Software and Valve.

The possible loss of dedicated servers with Rage, is peanuts compared to the features and abilities stripped from Modern Warfare 2.

I SAID that this would happen exactly this way. Unfortunately... I was right.
Oh well. Like I said before. The console version of how online gaming works is easier for game companies to control, so it makes sense. It's just not very fun to use multi-player.

Aw, rats.

the PC community did this to themselves via rampant piracy and now they're all going to cry and rage and sign worthless petitions.

and to HerosPlayDumb: StarCraft II has no LAN support in an effort to stem piracy and i expect Diablo III will be the same deal. this trend isn't going anywhere. remember: Modern Warfare 2, the most recent example of a major game not supporting dedicated servers, is published by Activision too. i wouldn't be surprised to see a similar announcement regarding all of their PC games in the coming months.