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I guess my question would be how you can see the "big deal" of SOTC and not see what makes Ico so special?
I loved Shadow of the Colossus. So much so I bought the soundtrack for it after I completed the game ages ago. I have to say its one of the few soundtracks which goes with the actual game, which is rare nowadays...
...unlike Silent Hill Downpour's possible intro theme (performed by KORN), which maybe will sound like they're latest track with SKRILLEX (which sounds like every SKRILLEX song made ever except with more "SHUT THE FUCK UP" lyrics).
...unlike Silent Hill Downpour's possible intro theme (performed by KORN), which maybe will sound like they're latest track with SKRILLEX (which sounds like every SKRILLEX song made ever except with more "SHUT THE FUCK UP" lyrics).
dont see the big deal with ico? now he's trolling. one of the best and most touching puzzle games ever yo!
Have they updated the textures in ICO? Suppose I could dig out the original and find out.
I fudging love ICO, but I could take or leave SotC to be honest. Seeing this makes me want to play ICO again, probably try and get on with SotC while I'm at it.
I fudging love ICO, but I could take or leave SotC to be honest. Seeing this makes me want to play ICO again, probably try and get on with SotC while I'm at it.
Dtoid...
Why are you showing me not-HD videos of a game that's specifically being redone to be in HD? I had to go Youtube these trailers to really appreciate the difference between the PS2 and PS3 versions of these games.
Or in ICO's case, the lack of upgrade in quality in the game's graphics. Oh well, I don't own that one. This package will be a day one purchase for me (whenever it comes out in America).
Why are you showing me not-HD videos of a game that's specifically being redone to be in HD? I had to go Youtube these trailers to really appreciate the difference between the PS2 and PS3 versions of these games.
Or in ICO's case, the lack of upgrade in quality in the game's graphics. Oh well, I don't own that one. This package will be a day one purchase for me (whenever it comes out in America).
My big question is with Shadow, will we be seeing some bonus colossi.
The ones that didn't make the cut in the original game because that would be hands down the most awesome thing ever.
The ones that didn't make the cut in the original game because that would be hands down the most awesome thing ever.
I just beat ico for the 1st time about 2 months ago, I found it buried in a box, I had the game for years and had forgotten
I have to remember that I'm buying this collection for ICO, but Shadow of the Colossus is just so great looking. I have the PS2 version, but I can't wait to buy the PS3 version also.
@Scuffles
I'd like that too, an extra Colossi or two would be very nice. I doubt it though.
@Scuffles
I'd like that too, an extra Colossi or two would be very nice. I doubt it though.
I do hope they put in the unused colossal cock boss, which was originally the final colossus..clinging onto green pubic hair while the massive flacid member flaps about,then stab it in the urethra!
I'm quite glad i skipped the original release of both of these!
looking forward to experiencing them, and doing so at current gen HD quality.
looking forward to experiencing them, and doing so at current gen HD quality.
I feel like having missed both these games on PS2 is a blemish on my gamer record, so I'm grateful to have the opportunity to rectify that. I'm not entirely sure either are going to be my cup of tea, but I'm going to give them both a chance.
I know a lot of people have a hard time understanding the big deal about ICO, especially compared to Shadow of the Colossus, and it probably helps to have played the it first. In the end, I think it's a combination of a lot of smaller factors. The most overarching is the minimalistic, yet effective design. Visually, the game is simple, yet very atmospheric. This was even more apparent when the game first came out, when there was virtually nothing like it. The overarching plot was uncomplicated, and you always knew what you were trying to do (hell, 50% of the game is spent just powering up a pair of doors. It was really cool that you are in the same castle the whole time, and you frequently will see parts of the castle in the background from much earlier or later in the game. It helped create a sense of place. The story was equally simple, just a tale of a boy and a girl trying to escape a castle, but the connection between them was enhanced by the girls AI. How she would go off and do her own things (like chase a bird) if you left her alone. The tactile feel of leading her by the arm was unprecedented, and weirdly made you feel more connected to both the characters. The whole game is subtle and understated, which is just something you almost never see with games, and I appreciate it.
Granted, the game is simple, and compared to the bombastic gameplay and amazing set pieces of Shadow of the Colossus, it can be hard to understand the appeal. In the end, I think they make great companion pieces, and the few ties that have between each other, story wise, and really fascinating.
Granted, the game is simple, and compared to the bombastic gameplay and amazing set pieces of Shadow of the Colossus, it can be hard to understand the appeal. In the end, I think they make great companion pieces, and the few ties that have between each other, story wise, and really fascinating.
I've played and finished ICO like 5 times and i have no problem playing through it again in HD cause its easily the most beautilful game i've ever played, but i never finished SotC and i'm really looking forward to a second chance.
Now I remember that after completing SoTC I felt like a horrible human person. The game is great and left me with a lot of emotions.
jim you just broke my heart in an industry full of trashy games big boobs and rehashed ideas games like ico are pretty special I'm just jealous I don't have a ps3......
I don't like ICO too much either. Perhaps because is so sexist that disrupt the gameplay. The doll... I mean princess could not run from the monsters or climb stairs? She could not try to defend herself a little bit? After all the boy isn’t a super warrior he is a kid with a stick, she could pick up a stick and go swinging too?
Anyway, Shadow of the Colossus is the best PS2 game. picked up a collection for him too.
Anyway, Shadow of the Colossus is the best PS2 game. picked up a collection for him too.
Well that restores my faith in HD remakes again. I was a little bummed out the other day after seeing the remake of Beyond Good and Evil. It just wasn't as pretty as I was hoping. So far so good here.
@MyCoolWhiteLies
Part of my fear with ICO is that people will play it and compare it to today's games, without realizing how big of an influence ICO has been on the industry and many of the games that came later. Even people in the film industry have cited it as an influence. At the time ICO was published, it was a completely new experience, and it blew me away.
ICO reminds me of the very best of young adult literature, where the prose and plot are purposefully simple and accessible to anyone, but special care is given to exploring developing feelings and relationships. What makes it beautiful is the purity and the innocence. This isn't an action-adventure with characters who have been-there-done-that, it's a fairy tale about two very different people who are completely out of their element for the first time in their lives. ICO was one of those rare videogame experiences where I felt like my own emotions were tangled up with those of the characters. I was genuinely furious with the Queen, and absolutely determined to defeat her, to avenge all the wrongs she had committed, and then beyond that .. let's just say there were a couple of times while playing ICO where my heart was in my throat.
Part of my fear with ICO is that people will play it and compare it to today's games, without realizing how big of an influence ICO has been on the industry and many of the games that came later. Even people in the film industry have cited it as an influence. At the time ICO was published, it was a completely new experience, and it blew me away.
ICO reminds me of the very best of young adult literature, where the prose and plot are purposefully simple and accessible to anyone, but special care is given to exploring developing feelings and relationships. What makes it beautiful is the purity and the innocence. This isn't an action-adventure with characters who have been-there-done-that, it's a fairy tale about two very different people who are completely out of their element for the first time in their lives. ICO was one of those rare videogame experiences where I felt like my own emotions were tangled up with those of the characters. I was genuinely furious with the Queen, and absolutely determined to defeat her, to avenge all the wrongs she had committed, and then beyond that .. let's just say there were a couple of times while playing ICO where my heart was in my throat.
Team ICO is the reason I want a PS3. These games and The Last Guardian. If only Sony would get off their asses and release all these already, they'd make a console sale!
i would love to see mr. miyazaki writing for these guys. Their game design and any of his worlds? DAMN.
Ico is essentially a Sony version of Zelda. It also started the Renaissance of 3D platformers that Sands of Time perfected. Regardless, this collection is definitely worth it for every PS3 owner, especially those whom haven't touched the games yet.
I have yet to give Ico a go, so I'm pretty excited to play it on my HDTV, as well as Sotc because when I originally played it was on a regular 19" tv.
Have yet to finish Ico, and am waiting for the rerelease in order to do so. SOTC however I have, and it's hands down the best single player game of the PS2 era, quite possibly more. If you own a PS3, you need this.
Long post, watch out!
[SPOILER WARNING for those who like to go into a gaming experience as "clean" as possible.]
Unfortunately, I never felt a connection with Yorda in-game. When there´s a boy and a girl you kind of expect or hope for some kind of chemistry between the two. Especially given the time spent together and effort put out by the protagonist. Maybe due to the apparent age difference (which from a boy's perspective can be quite intriguing) that tension was never there. I'm ALL FOR doing anything BUT the unexpected, it's just that in this case it didn't rock my boat. For me, Yorda came across a bit too much like a re re to be dragged along (sorry, Mr. Ueda) and didn't really seem interested in escaping her prison, leaving me as a player with a feeling of "Why am I doing this?".
That kind of makes the character Ico shine, though. While I, the player, go: "What's in it for me?", Ico the character risks life and limb because saving Yorda is simply the right thing to do, no matter what Ico gets out of the deal.
These things may be conscious design choices that I just didn't get or things that could have been tuned for better effect. I'm certainly open to it being the former, given how SOTC schooled me on every level. In Shadow, for example, some people don't get the horse programming, and complain that Agro is hard to control, expecting a reaction to every controller input from the player. This was intentional on the part of the developer, and a damn good feature for immersion, in my opinion. Being creatures with a will of their own, horses don't always do what you want them to. This I got.
Virtually the only in-game value I got from Ico were the environments, but even those can't hold a candle to the vistas found in SOTC. Nature > architecture. In other words, I'm more likely to stare at and enjoy a landscape than a building.
The point of playing Ico, in hindsight, was to see the story unfold. When I get old, the cutscenes are what I'll remember from this game. Since I value the emotional impact of any form of entertainment very highly, though, this goes a long way. If I had to throw away the memories of all but five game experiences, Ico would be safe on the basis of story alone.
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As far as Shadow Of The Colossus goes, it's the best game I've ever played.
The game got so much right:
Originality:
"Here's our game idea: Sixteen boss fights! That's it."
Dynamics:
Alternate between virtually the calmest thing you could do (nature walks with horsie, no music) and the most intense thing you could do (fight a giant by yourself, no guns).
Story:
Intriguing on many levels, yet not so complicated that you couldn't tell your kids the bedtime story of Wander and the Giant.
Music:
Adaptive to what happens in the game, and includes many tracks good enough to add to my MP3 player's "all time favorite music" folder.
Graphics:
Realistic graphic design with nice effects to help immersion and push the console it's on to the seeming limit of its potential.
End credits sequence:
Movies included, possibly my favorite one ever. The editing gives me chills virtually every time.
[SPOILER]
Also love how the same creature that brings us into this non-kliche-heavy MASTERPIECE sees us to the door in the end.
The frame rates of the original game didn't bother me. Maybe my PS2 slim for some reason handled the game slightly better than the older PS2's. I thought the stuttering that would sometimes occur blended well with the stuttering that must occur in your mind when fighting a colossus to the death. Either way, I thought it was the right design choice to push the graphics that far, since the strength of the realistic graphics to me weighed heavier than the price of the low framerate.
[SPOILER WARNING for those who like to go into a gaming experience as "clean" as possible.]
Unfortunately, I never felt a connection with Yorda in-game. When there´s a boy and a girl you kind of expect or hope for some kind of chemistry between the two. Especially given the time spent together and effort put out by the protagonist. Maybe due to the apparent age difference (which from a boy's perspective can be quite intriguing) that tension was never there. I'm ALL FOR doing anything BUT the unexpected, it's just that in this case it didn't rock my boat. For me, Yorda came across a bit too much like a re re to be dragged along (sorry, Mr. Ueda) and didn't really seem interested in escaping her prison, leaving me as a player with a feeling of "Why am I doing this?".
That kind of makes the character Ico shine, though. While I, the player, go: "What's in it for me?", Ico the character risks life and limb because saving Yorda is simply the right thing to do, no matter what Ico gets out of the deal.
These things may be conscious design choices that I just didn't get or things that could have been tuned for better effect. I'm certainly open to it being the former, given how SOTC schooled me on every level. In Shadow, for example, some people don't get the horse programming, and complain that Agro is hard to control, expecting a reaction to every controller input from the player. This was intentional on the part of the developer, and a damn good feature for immersion, in my opinion. Being creatures with a will of their own, horses don't always do what you want them to. This I got.
Virtually the only in-game value I got from Ico were the environments, but even those can't hold a candle to the vistas found in SOTC. Nature > architecture. In other words, I'm more likely to stare at and enjoy a landscape than a building.
The point of playing Ico, in hindsight, was to see the story unfold. When I get old, the cutscenes are what I'll remember from this game. Since I value the emotional impact of any form of entertainment very highly, though, this goes a long way. If I had to throw away the memories of all but five game experiences, Ico would be safe on the basis of story alone.
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As far as Shadow Of The Colossus goes, it's the best game I've ever played.
The game got so much right:
Originality:
"Here's our game idea: Sixteen boss fights! That's it."
Dynamics:
Alternate between virtually the calmest thing you could do (nature walks with horsie, no music) and the most intense thing you could do (fight a giant by yourself, no guns).
Story:
Intriguing on many levels, yet not so complicated that you couldn't tell your kids the bedtime story of Wander and the Giant.
Music:
Adaptive to what happens in the game, and includes many tracks good enough to add to my MP3 player's "all time favorite music" folder.
Graphics:
Realistic graphic design with nice effects to help immersion and push the console it's on to the seeming limit of its potential.
End credits sequence:
Movies included, possibly my favorite one ever. The editing gives me chills virtually every time.
[SPOILER]
Also love how the same creature that brings us into this non-kliche-heavy MASTERPIECE sees us to the door in the end.
The frame rates of the original game didn't bother me. Maybe my PS2 slim for some reason handled the game slightly better than the older PS2's. I thought the stuttering that would sometimes occur blended well with the stuttering that must occur in your mind when fighting a colossus to the death. Either way, I thought it was the right design choice to push the graphics that far, since the strength of the realistic graphics to me weighed heavier than the price of the low framerate.
@MyCoolWhiteLies
Well said.
I was just playing ICO the other day (my kids like to watch me play it). It's still got it. I'm seriously considering getting this.
Well said.
I was just playing ICO the other day (my kids like to watch me play it). It's still got it. I'm seriously considering getting this.
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