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[It's time for another Monthly Musing -- the monthly community blog theme that provides readers with a chance to get their articles and discussions printed on the frontpage. -- CTZ

Just about a month ago, I got together with my friends for the first time in quite a while for a night of Starcraft. I remember getting that game when it first came out, along with Brood War, and while I was never obsessed with it, I absolutely loved it. I'm way more of a futuristic-setting type of person than something that takes place in the past, so it seemed perfect for me.

There was just one problem -- I. Was. Horrible. I still am. I don't think I've ever won a single game of Starcraft or Warcraft on my own in my entire life. The only way I can even come close to winning is when I'm part of a team of people who have been playing for years, and who specialize in the strategy genre. It doesn't matter what game in the genre it is, I can't seem to win. Or come even close to winning, for that matter. In fact, I've never even finished any of the single-player Starcraft campaigns to this day.

When I was in middle school, one of the teachers in a computer class I had was really laid back, so we'd play stuff like Starcraft and Command & Conquer whenever we had some downtime, and that's probably where I played those games the most. All the computers in the room were always networked, so we were always on big teams. Well, you know how there are those TV shows and movies where the kids in gym class in school are being picked to be on teams, and the non-athletic kids are always picked last? That non-athletic kid was me when it came to downtime in that class. I was always shuffled from team to team because everyone knew how I played, and I honestly can't say I blamed them one bit. I wanted to make me stop playing half the time. No matter what happened, I was always swarmed from all directions by the enemy, seemingly only a minute or two into the game. I never even had time to build up a defense.



And that's when I realized what my one true weakness is when it comes to RTS -- I hate the pace. I'm not a strategical player; I'm all about run-and-gun. When it comes to stuff like Starcraft, I'm always trying to go faster than I should be. I always concentrate on nothing but offense, and way too little on defense, leaving my entire base wide open and ripe for the picking. And you know what really sucks? I know that it's my weakness. I just never seem to be able to adjust my play style to do what I know needs to be done, so my suckiness is my own fault. I'm always relying on my teammates to come and bail me out, but I'm always worried that they'll be slaughtered in the process. I love RTS games, but I think they actually stress me out more than anything.

You know what type of game I'm even worse at than strategy? Tactical. No, not like Tactical Espionage Action -- I mean grid-based. Limited movements per turn, straight-up tactical stuff. I can't play games like Ogre Battle or Final Fantasy Tactics to save my life. The kick in the crotch when it comes to that is the fact that I don't even know why I suck so badly at them, which means it's really hard to write about it here. I think part of it is the fact that most tactical games that I've seen look like they want to have free-roaming or real-time battle systems, but the grid system restricts that free movement. Now, I realize the grid system is there purposely, and it's not meant to restrict anything. It's just that when I'm playing, I feel like I'm purposely being held back not for the sake of gameplay, but just because the game wants to be a bitch. It feels like a negative thing to me. I'm not saying the games that utilize this system are bad by any means -- I just can't adjust and plan to move along the ground in a thoughtful way. It goes back to that run-and-gun mentality of mine, I suppose.



Another thing that tends to distract me in tactical games, for lack of a better term, is the sheer size of the fights. Some of the fights in tactical games tend to last a very long time, and I'm more of a quick-but-many type of guy when it comes to battles. I can do long battles, but I much prefer a break now and then instead of just one drawn out battle sequence. I tend to start falling asleep if it's the same exact thing for such a long period of time. I can't remember which game this one friend of mine was playing, but one battle seriously took about 45 minutes from beginning to end. Come to think of it, maybe that's another thing that makes me suck at RTS games.

I'll tell you what, though. There's one tactical game that I truly do love and that's Valkyria Chronicles because that game does stuff differently than any other tactical game I've ever played. It still limits your movement for the turn you're taking, but everything is absolutely free-roaming and half the game is a third-person shooter. As you move, you're being attacked by all the enemies in range in real-time, and once you're done, you can take cover and manually aim your weapon to attack. You have much more freedom than any other strategy/tactical game I've ever come across and half the time it doesn't even feel like it's a part of that genre. I'm good at third-person games, and I think that's what helps me like Valkyria Chronicles so much.

So there you have it. I suck at RTS and tactical games, I know this fact, and I'm fine with it. I do like what I've played of them, but I think the pace of them is just too slow for me to ever truly get into them, which is a shame since I'm extremely excited for Starcraft II. I'm sure I'll still buy it, but I probably won't be winning any games, at least not until I have about four years of practice or something. I'll start winning games in Starcraft II once Starcraft III comes out.

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The Legendary Star's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2009 19:46
The Legendary Star
Non-athletic kid... Haha.
This was a funny read, good job. :)
theredpepperofdoom's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2009 20:33
theredpepperofdoom
I'm the same way with RTS games. I love Starcraft, but when me and the friend who I play it with have a match I get owned.
Yet I'm good at grid-based games like Fire Emblem. I don't know why.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2009 21:31
pedrovay2003
@DrPepper

I tried playing Fire Emblem once. That did not go well.

I'm also an SMT fan, and I want to try Devil Survivor, but that looks like it'd be way out of my skill range.
Jack Maverick's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 09:06
Jack Maverick
Funny, the last RTS game I played was Advance Wars: Day of Ruin back in mid-2008. I never played any of the other games in the series, so it was probably a bad move on my part to start with that one. I was really getting into the story, so I went with it.

I eventually quit out of frustration, because one of the missions in the later half of the game got ridiculously difficult. It consisted of the enemy having a bunch of factories to make troops, and the whole map nearly covered in the Fog of War. So the A.I. easily had the disadvantage on me.

I played that level for three days before I gave up, because it would always end in one of two ways. 1) I kill some enemies, the enemy makes enough troops to make up for the casualties, forcing me to play an endless loop with no progress at all. Or 2) I get ready to push forward, only to have my main troops get killed by an enemy coming out of nowhere due to the Fog of War thing hiding the enemy troops.

I didn't have the patience to push myself through that, I didn't do severely deep research on the genre to know where the enemy will move if I move to a certain location, I haven't touched a block-style RTS game since that day.

I still play some games in the RTS genre, like a little VC, maybe something in the Total War franchise, but I don't do it often. Because they always remind of the frustration I've gotten from that one game, frustration that I do not want to recall for a very long time.

Good blog, by the way.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 10:41
Gen Eric Gui
@Jack Maverick: Flare Tanks buddy, Flare Tanks.

Also, those aren't RTS games becuause they're not in realtime(What the R in RTS stands for). Advance Wars is a TBS if it's anything. But that's just me being nitpicky.

@OP: I'm kinda the opposite of you in SC, I was always really good at mustering up an early defensive perimiter, but I couldn't go offensive if my life depended on it, which it often did. I also tended to fall apart in the late game when the big guns started to come out. I could never manage the larger amounts of money being tossed around. this holds true even today in other games, as I tend to fall apart in games like Advance Wars towards the latter parts of maps when me and my enemy both have large sums of money to play with.
Boatz's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 12:26
Boatz
Good write-up, RTS's like C&C have never been a huge thing for me either, especially when you can find similar and better little flash games on a million website.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 13:45
pedrovay2003
@Gen Eric

Yeah, the later part of the game is a problem for me, too. I think another problem of mine is that I can never remember to start building a second base.
Jack Maverick's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 20:51
Jack Maverick
@Gen: Ugh, I was so tired when I made that comment, I completely blanked out on remembering the phrase "turn-based strategy." That was a bad move on my part. And I really should have thought about using those flare tanks more, but I remember one moment where I found an enemy using one, and it went directly for my flare tank. That was a pretty unhappy moment.
Krow's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 18:45
Krow
Damn right! This was the one I was pulling for to get promoted.

Congratulations pedroray2003!
Genius's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 18:51
Genius
I am absolutely completely terrible at RTS games yet I still like to play them (single player). I get too embarrassed to play them online against other people because Im so damn terrible, I love Company of Heroes but I will only play the single player campaign. I think I like CoH a lot better than other ones like C&C and SC because there really is no build order in CoH you just make shit and push it into battle. Trying to memorize build order gets me every time.

I miss the old days of Turn-Based Strategy games, they dont even make those anymore, what the hell. I can play those more like a chess game instead of a million things running around the screen at once and me not knowing which fire to put out first.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 18:54
Tubatic
Right on! I'm horrible at RTS, and I wish I could enjoy them more! You seem to playthrough it, but I can't endure RTS's.

Woot Frontpaged! Grats!
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 18:54
manasteel88
I'm decent at RTS's and I'm really good at Tactical games...so this entire post confuses and alienates me. Maybe your biggest issue is the camera angle. Maybe isometric gaming isn't your thing.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 19:06
pedrovay2003
Yay, thanks for the congrats, guys! :D

@manasteel88

The camera could be an issue, actually, although I don't think it is. Maybe the control scheme? Maybe controlling everything with mostly the mouse makes me sad inside? I have no idea. But the camera angle thing is an interesting observation, seeing as how I love Valkyria Chronicles and that definitely doesn't have an over-the-top view.
Puppy Licks's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 19:25
Puppy Licks
Congrats on the frontpage!

You summed up my RTS skills exactly, bravo!
michaelb99's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 19:38
michaelb99
Congrats on frontpage I am also a terrible RTS
Strangly though im really good at tactical RPGs like i remember i beat andvance wars ds hard mode so easy, but then getting stuck on like the 10 mission in the terran campagin in starcraft
The-Excel's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 19:57
The-Excel
I'm writing my own blog about my own unspectacular strategic prowess, but it's less about me and more about my brother...
admiralaw3som3's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 19:58
admiralaw3som3
cool I suck too

But you should really try fire emblem or batallion wars you just can't miss out on those games
Catmurderer's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 20:31
Catmurderer
God I could never get my APM over 100 in starcraft. Pisses me off
kelvinc's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 22:20
kelvinc
@Genius
Haha me too. I'm too embarrassed to show the world that my only RTS strategy is to turtle, which is a pretty simple strategy to deal with for anyone with an actual human brain.
I think the problem is that once I'm all set up, I have fun just watching my defences shred tiny AI attacks, which gives me no incentive to improve my skills.

Then again, I also can't aim for shit, so I'm a bit worried about what's gonna happen when I play Valkyria Chronicles.
Los255's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 22:22
Los255
Try Darwinia, or Dawn of War 2, which makes resource management nearly extinct.
grafkhun's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 23:00
grafkhun
Nice read. I'm not too shabby at RTS games, but I'm not up to the hardcore competitive level. As for tactical games with the whole grid system and that, I love them; especially Fire Emblem. But really, one tip I have for any RTS player, is to learn everything about the game first, know all the units, all the advantages, all the idiosyncracies of everything. The once you know it, just keep playing and you will develop instinctial strategies over time
kalidanthepalidan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 23:54
kalidanthepalidan
I can't believe you don't know what the "flying f***" is going on in that first image. It's clearly a Zerg rush. ;)

Nice read. For most of my early gamer life I played nothing but RTS games. Surprising I now find them to be the most stressful and tense games to play multiplayer. I used to sweat bullets playing Warcraft 3 while playing with my friends. But a come from behind win in an RTS is truly wonderful. Knowing you out smarted someone, as opposed to out twitched someone, is great feeling.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 00:10
pedrovay2003
@kalidan

Damn those Battlecruiser-shaped Zergs! DAMN THEM ALL!!! :P
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 00:14
Chronic Logic
DO YOU KNOW HOW FUCKING DIFFICULT IT IS TO FUCKING LOSE IN THE FIRST LEVEL?! DO YOU?!
johannhat's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 00:17
johannhat
@pedrovay2003:

Good read, yo. I'm with you on the whole "can't win alone" thing. I like to think I'm okay at the games, but if you put me alone, I will inevitably do something to screw me up. Have fun with it, sure, but it's that one mistake that makes me rebuild my fortress from square one 3/4ths through the game. :-\

As for Devil Survivor... That game is *relentless*. I'm finally keeping up with the pace of the game and having a good time with it, but I'm pretty sure I fought one boss early on (FUCK IMMORTALITY) for at least a day of reloading and readjusting tactics. Felt damn good once I beat him, but man.
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 00:22
Chronic Logic
Sorry, I was talking about Final Fantasy Tactics. Also, Wiegraf is a cunt. But really, Final Fantasy Tactics would be much easier to beat if you take advantage of your brave/faith meters.
WarZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 00:55
WarZombie
Very good stuff, pedrovay2003. I also suck at RTS games, and I haven't really tried tactical (I've heard great things about Valkyria Chronicles, though). I totally feel your pain about loving a game and sucking t (I love me some Team Fortress 2, even though I can't play it to save my life, literally).
Trebz's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 02:04
Trebz
Wow, this really struck a chord with me. I have a few friends (this is in middle school, by the way) that play a lot of Warcraft III and Starcraft and it's a bit depressing when I can't ever seem to beat them at a single game. In fact, one of my buds almost exclusively plays RTS games and is always the top Starcraft player at any summer camps he goes to. And then I'm the far-cry from that, the one who can't get a decent base running before something eats me.

Although I'm pretty decent at Disgaea. Big ups for that.
SpiralViper's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 08:34
SpiralViper
I'm absolutely fine with turn-based strategy, whether it be Japanese or 4X style. But when it comes down to RTS games, I get utterly destroyed. Before I even have a functional barracks the enemy swarms me.
SWE3tMadness's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 12:00
SWE3tMadness
I have the exact same problem, but you expressed it here a lot better than I did in my Monthly Musing article.

I'm not good at multitasking, so I find it nearly impossible to keep all my units in order and try to plan a strategy at the same time. >.<
Korolev's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/09/2009 04:44
Korolev
The Reason I never got the hang of strategy games was due to one thing: It got too deep. Now, in Star Craft, I could beat the campaigns fairly easily. Logged on to Battlenet? Decimated in minutes, unless they were a really bad opponent.

I can't stand it - all the finger twitching, needing to LOOK UP STATS for certain units on the internet, getting the PRECISE ordering of your drones/SCVs/Probes to get the maximum amount of units..... I can't stand it. It's not fun anymore, when it just becomes a bunch of numbers and timed steps. It's also too stressful - in order to win against the good players, your timing needs to be ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON, NO MISTAKES. If you click the wrong probe or forget to build that extra pylon, you're screwed and you might as well quit.

RTS games were good, until people started taking them seriously.
KrazyKraut's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2009 10:28
KrazyKraut
i'm pretty sure i'm under this explosion XD XD XD
nice article m8 :) gr8 work!!
KrazyKraut's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2009 10:30
KrazyKraut
omfg a screenshot from GAMESPOT *head explode*
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/13/2009 22:45
pedrovay2003
@KrazyKraut

Yeah, I know... Getting that picture hurt me a little bit. :P If it's any consolation, I actually got it from Google, not GameSpot. ;)
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