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I love single-player games. Just me and the creation. I also love multiplayer games ... until recently. Keep in mind this is not about me whining about racist, sexist, prejudiced, or any other unwanted speech in multiplayer game chat. That's a price you pay with free speech. This is also not about enforcing any kind of new code or conduct.

I'm simply imploring a change of heart in the multiplayer gaming world, because lots of people suck really hard when playing with others and it [usually] has nothing to do with their gaming skill. It has to do with the missing piece in most Veteran Gamer's arsenals: Positive reinforcement.

Put your guns down.

Noob is a pointless word. It's like going up to a newborn and shouting "YOU CAN'T PLAY BASEBALL!" in order to cement your status as baseball pro amongst all the other baseball pros. Especially when they're gonna be on your team.

What does this accomplish?

Nothing besides create a group of baseball players that yell at babies to make themselves feel better. Not to mention discouraging new blood and future potential for the sport.

But I'm not here to rag on people and their choice of words. Instead, I just wanted to use my experience of failing considerably at multiplayer games to hopefully enlighten some folks. Not everyone fails at these games because they choose to; some take a lot of time and patience to learn the ropes. Just ask Dtoider Knives. I'm trying!

But, because of way that some advanced players wield the Veteran Staff of Eliteness, they end up hitting themselves in the balls in the process. Confusing new players and causing them to lose games for everyone, whilst the veterans complain they are only losing because of "that noob on our team."

Yo. He's on your team. Who are you really playing against?

Let's look at an example that's rarely seen (sadly) in a multiplayer game these days: (from a dog's perspective):




I (the dog) did something completely amateur. The hand (the veteran player) corrects me, and shows me where to do it. I read up all over the place where to pee, but man, sometimes there's so many intricacies and rules (game strategies) I miss some. Sorry.

Diagram 2:


I pee in the grass, saving the hand from having to waste his time cleaning up the mess, allowing him to go about his business without babysitting me. Notice he disciplines me with a high five -- a gesture of acceptance and "coming down to my level."

Now we have Diagram 3, which is what I see mostly in my experiences with multiplayer games:



What the crap did he just say? If he'd taken the time to drop the secret code of the High Officials, I'd have known exactly what to do next. I completely understand the point of shorthand (to save typing time), but I've heard it used with voice chat. Come on guys. Amongst your buds I can understand, but when you see your teammate eating his poo, alter your speech methods.

Diagram 4:



This is what happens -- I pee on your pizza, and everyone loses. I didn't CHOOSE to do this, but as I go along confused long enough while I'm spit at incessantly (and for no reason ... it's a game), I hate to admit I kinda enjoy ruining the pizza for everyone.

So there you go. Not only does forgetting to empathize and be clear with the newcomers not help anyone, but it has the tendency to create griefers. I don't WANT to grief, I want to get better at the game. But if you wave around that Veteran Staff of Ball Cracking long enough, very shortly you'll create a high blood pressure community of angry old snobs who yell at babies and speak in morse code.

It can be WAY more fun, guys.

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Knives's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/14/2009 14:45
Knives
Such a noob post <3

That's why you should play more games with me (and bloodylip)!!

PS: I see your mind still has pizza in there :P.
Rider Chop's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/14/2009 15:16
Rider Chop
I like to ruin the pizza too. If assholes are too harcore to bother being decent with someone who is new to a game then they deserve to get piss on their pizza.

I was playing Third/Turd Strike on 2df a while back and some guy got mad at my playing style and called me a nigger, then dropped. He deserved such a pissy pizza.
Passionate Styos's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/14/2009 15:24
Passionate Styos
This is why I love playing with my friends, you don't have this kind of problem and if you screw it up it's still just fun and laughs. Though, in my experience playing through Steam in other multiplayer games with other people, I only had this problem just like 2 times, and that's it.

Also, I love your drawings :D
Ashley Davis's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/14/2009 17:50
Ashley Davis
You've perfectly captured the reasons why I hate playing games online with others. I know that I suck; I don't know why people would ever think that telling me so over and over will somehow make me better at the game. I always appreciate it when someone is civil enough to actually help me out, but you're right, it hardly ever happens.

But I'm too nice to ever pee on the pizza, as much as I want to. I just leave and, sadly, almost always give up on playing the game in question.
Steel Squirrel's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/14/2009 18:23
Steel Squirrel
Oh hay, it's Rockvillian!

I am totally getting some pizza and playing single player games tonight now. I think I may even pee a little.

I agree though, people who take the online times (or any gaming for that matter) all super serious, deserve a little grief.
bloodylip's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/14/2009 18:26
bloodylip
What Knives said. I'll never call you a noob, except as a term of endearment <3
Knives's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/14/2009 22:13
Knives
actually, bloodylip and me will call you noobvillian <3.
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/17/2009 11:36
Rockvillian
The pee on pizza analogy really took off, nice! I'm lovin it!â„¢

But just to clear things up it's usually an accident that I pee on the pizza.. not on purpose. That's what happens when they let an untrained noobvillian wander around without a chaperone :P

@squirrel

Hay!
kaciesaurus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 19:14
kaciesaurus
I really loved this article. Great job.
Batthink's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 19:14
Batthink
I love those images, did you make them? :OD
InfraredChimera's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 19:21
InfraredChimera
Totally off subject; but I just saw a Diet Mountain Dew commercial where a ferret in a mask is weilding a chainsaw and chasing 2 people through a forest, holy shit thats the funniest thing I have seen since yesterday!

But Rockvillian what a fantastic read! I was in a party chat with a friend of mine and some of the guys he plays with entered the conversation and they started talking about kicking another player out of there clan. Now it wasn't that the person getting kicked was a sore player, he was getting kicked for not being at there level of play and he only had the game for maybe a few weeks! While I don't belong to a online clan (nor do I wish to be in one), I do play with one (more of a affiliate but doesn't participate in clan matches) that showed me the ropes and taught me the strategies and while being generally really cool people that don't talk shit to the other time unless provoked first.
But once agian, awesome read man!
Haunter66's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 19:33
Haunter66
Hahaha, even worst, when you are a noob and we don't spake same language, hahaha, that happend to me.. many times (sorry guys I do live in Mexico and I'm not a skilled english speaker).
The Prodigal Son's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 19:34
The Prodigal Son
I think the majority of people that don't play multiplayer avoid it for that exact reason. There's plenty of people to tell you what you're doing wrong, but not enough that will tell you how to do it right -- let alone commend you on a job well done. I make it a point to let people know, even if it means the cliched "good game". Of course, that only happens twice a year, since I can't stand playing shit online.
ViciousBoston's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 19:45
ViciousBoston
I am glad someone conveyed my feelings. I'm no pro but i'm not an amature. I enjoy helping others online in Killzone/Socom find those little hiding places and unseen holes to hide in. Also how to counter those holds. Its not easy seeing as you always have respawning people but its great to atleast try. Why discourage someone from playing a game? Just means less people to play with.

Then you're the best at the game no one plays. Then you die.
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 19:48
catsithx
Look my friends know I am the human meat shield also the the gut running out there to draw fire. I know I am not doing it right I could care less truthfully. I not one to really care one way or another. Also one thing I have learned over the years no matter how hard you try and how much they tell you what the right way is. Sometimes it never works out right. Sometimes you just can't do it right.
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 19:49
catsithx
Look my friends know I am the human meat shield also the the guy running out there to draw fire. I know I am not doing it right I could care less truthfully. I not one to really care one way or another. Also one thing I have learned over the years no matter how hard you try and how much they tell you what the right way is. Sometimes it never works out right. Sometimes you just can't do it right.
Internecivus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 19:56
Internecivus
You know, I was trying to find a reason I usually hate playing online... and you nailed it quite perfectly, sir. The problem is that I don't really have the solution other posters have, because I'm at a great disadvantage.

See, I'd LOVE to make online friends and play with them regularly... or at least, know that I can count on them as support for having fun, rather than outright winning. I don't really care that much about winning a game so long as I am having fun whilst playing. But since I lack online friends, I'm usually the type of guy that goes to the "quickmatch" option first, since I really can't invite friends or join a party and whatnot. Whenever I join one of these games, I am usually placed within a team of people that has a lot of those "elitist" types that are so untouchable that they don't even speak to people anymore. They just insult them, ALWAYS.

This is not helped by the fact that given my location, my lag is always... substantial. Even with a supposed 3mb connection, which is ok (I guess), I still get a lot of latency, along the 180ms mark. This means that I'm usually the first guy to get killed and the one that makes the team lag. So it's understandable that not many people wish to play with me... despite my best intentions.

So that's basically why I stick to single player... but it grows stale after a while... and it'd be FUN to have a good time with people... but strangely, most people seem to forget or ignore the fact that playing games is supposed to be about having FUN O_o
gabapenteado's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 20:14
gabapenteado
That used to bother me, but i REALLY seen people getting better at yelling at others, especially if you come clean that you are a noob, here's two scenarios that happened to me lately

1 - Started playing battlefield heroes, i'm with the nazi-like guys, with red uniforms, i see a guy with a name in blue, i shoot.

people started to say that i should be banned, but once i asked what i was doing wrong, they corrected me and said i should only shoot at red guys

2 - my first 2v2 on company of heroes, i start sucking really bad. Mt teammate said he tought i was a smurf, which i still don't know what it is. Suddenly he starts giving me tips about what to do etc. The game ends but neither disconnects, he starts telling me what i did wrong, how to get better and even recommends me a site with loads of strategies and etc. really cool guy
Legend452's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 20:23
Legend452
There were times I've wanted to give up on MP. However it's not for the reasons that are stated in this article. It's because most people suck too bad!

I have tons of friends who I regularly play COD4 with. Most are awesome and reliable, but a few suck really bad. And I mean REALLY bad. I would play with them a few times, and while I don't directly lash out at them, you would definitely be able to pick up on my frustrations through the tone of my voice during a game. When you go from playing with one group of players and winning 20 games in a row, to playing with another group and losing 10 in a row, something is clearly wrong. Don't even get me started on the random players I'd get as teammates online.

It's not the fact that these amateurs are new that's frustrating. It's the fact that they don't learn anything. You would think after multiple games that they would develop SOME kind of strategy. But it never happens. I can't tell you the number of times I've played Domination on COD, heard the game say "losing Bravo!" and see that 4 other teammates surrounding Point B are doing jack squat. No matter how many times I have to point out that we are losing a control point, the next game everybody forgets what the game is telling them because everyone just wants to "run around and shoot".

Yeah, I understand people play for "fun" and I really don't mind about losing in a video game. However if you're not going to play a multiplayer game to at least try and win, then don't continue to play and ruin the experience for others who actually understand the game. I don't see how losing time and time again is considered "fun".
Dexter345's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 20:27
Dexter345
Love the pictures.

I try to be the guy who guides noobs (ask Kyle about Left 4 Dead), but a lot of the time, the people who ruin games due to their ultimate suckage have no mic, and probably aren't listening to a word I have to say. So while I can totally sympathize with your position, I can say that I have been in the frustrated "we are only losing because of this noob on our team" position, and I feel justified in it.
gore on the floor's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 21:13
gore on the floor
Legend452 just won at missing the point.
vava's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 21:17
vava
As someone who is generally good at FPS, I do like to give out pointers to new people from time time, or otherwise simply ignore them. Something that has made almost stop playing online though is conversations/situations like this. (Arrogant Noobs) I've seen a person respawn three times, run the same way, each time, and then die, each time, the same way. I told the person, "there's a camper up there, toss and nade" his response?
"fuck you noob don't tell me how to play" ... This is one example, but for some reason I am hated for being helpful. What I'm getting at is, there are assholes at all skill levels unfortunately.
elysse's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 21:22
elysse
You know what would help you when you can't negotiate the intricacies of finding the right place to pee?

Diapers. n00b.

(srsly, great post, I agree with so much of it it makes me want to piss a pizza. But only in a group of non-friends. :-) )
ajaxender's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 21:24
ajaxender
Ugh, I know what you mean. There are some players who seem so intent on having fun at the expense of yours, that ruining it for them (in whatever way) is so very tempting. It just feels like justice. What I find amusing is that quite often its these hardcore 'leet' players that have invited the 'noobs' to play their game cos its 'really awesome and hardcore and leet', which tends to mean difficult to pick up immediately, and very punishing for a new player (like Counterstrike, among good players). Then they go and yell at them for things they have no idea about, and just put them off the game entirely.

And yeah, Legend452 missed the point. Its not about being angry with noobish behavior (few decent players can say they've never felt that way), its about being constructive about informing the players about their actions.
Trebz's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 21:45
Trebz
Thank you (those diagrams are great). Yeah, I've heard more negative than positive, although I'll be honest, I don't always take the role of the "guide" so much as the "guided." In Left 4 Dead I often find myself shooting wildly in fear or running to weird spots when I'm an Infected, and I've sometimes found myself being sworn at because I can sometimes get jumpy when I see a Boomer (not my proudest moments). Then again, sometimes there are players that are helpful and actually seem like they want everyone to win. And hell, I'll try to guide a newbie if I can.
sickNasty's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 22:27
sickNasty
Good article, but I am compelled to be a nerdy dick about your incorrect use of the term 'negative reinforcement'

Allow wikipedia to explain:

"Negative reinforcement is an increase in the future frequency of a behavior when the consequence is the removal of an aversive stimulus. Turning off (or removing) an annoying song when a child asks their parent is an example of negative reinforcement (if this results in an increase in asking behavior of the child in the future). Another example is if a mouse presses a button to avoid shock. Do not confuse this concept with punishment."

So no matter what people say to you when you play online, even if it's offensive and mean-spirited, it's still positive reinforcement.

"Positive reinforcement is an increase in the future frequency of a behavior due to the addition of a stimulus immediately following a response. Giving (or adding) food to a dog contingent on its sitting is an example of positive reinforcement (if this results in an increase in the future behavior of the dog sitting)."
Automatic Shotgun's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 22:58
Automatic Shotgun
"guide thy noobz and thou shall have a better internetz", that´s my motto.
Never applied it, thogh...
sickNasty's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 23:11
sickNasty
Obviously wikipedia is not the best source, but I already knew what positive reinforcement is, so I just wanted succinct explanation to make my point.
Zodiac Eclipse's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 23:30
Zodiac Eclipse
Great read! As someone who openly sucks at FPS, I can honestly say that in my experience when people suck they already know it and don't usually have to have it pointed out to them. Doing so only makes you come off like a jerk and after awhile they will either just leave or start plotting ways to screw you over. Usually I end up leaving, but sometimes, lets just say the pizza gets wet.

(I vote this become the official term for screwing stuff up for everyone)
Legend452's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/23/2009 23:33
Legend452
@ gore and ajaxendre

I got the point completely. Don't get angry at noobs, instead help them. Yeah I got it and I've tried, both with random players and with the ones on my friends list. I wrote that during COD4 both the game and I would mention in Domination that our control points were being taken, only to be met with absolute silence and teammates doing absolutely nothing. I get that some players really do have the best of intentions going into a MP game, but the lack of simple common sense in some games is absolutely astounding that it does get frustrating.

Not every dog is going to learn how to do things right the first time. It may not even learn how to do things right the fifth, tenth, or hundredth time, no matter how long you spend trying to play nice with it. Everyone's patience has a limit, and mine runs out after 2-3 hours of 10 consecutive losses in a FPS.

The problem with the "noobs" on my friends list is that they simply don't play as much as I do (which when I point out usually results in the whole "because I have a life" response, so noobs can be smart asses too). I usually play for a few hours maybe 4-5 times a week at night, while the noobs on my friends list jump online maybe once a month. You think they're going to remember the advice I gave them, or even care for that matter? It's probably the same with a lot of other noobs who just don't play that often. It's sad to say, but if you wanna get better at the game you have to become familiar with it. Even though there are elitist players out there, nothing is stopping you from muting them, spending more time playing the game, and getting familiar with the controls, weapons, maps, etc. on your own.
Im OK's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/24/2009 00:48
Im OK
I haven't played online games in years (with random asshole strangers anyway), so I don't have to worry about this ever! Go me!
peachboy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/24/2009 01:07
peachboy
excellent job. when i was in highschool i was actually in a cs 1.6 clan who's only goal was grief. these articles are what make dtoid great.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/24/2009 03:10
Sexualchocolate
i had a similar thing on Socom the other day. I was last man standing, but then noticed someone had voted to kick me out of the game!?

Why I wondered.

so I took note of his PSN name, survived the vote, and team killed the fucker next round. I mean, How dare he?

Then I receive a message on my PSN something along the lines of "What the fuck noob?!" to which i replied "Why the kick?" and his actual reply was something like this...

"To let you know someone was behind you noob. Get rid of that fucking M4 dickhead and use a 544! You fucking noob"

What the fuck? So I have too much going on in my real life to play enough of this specific game to know your personal signals and that makes me a noob? Then you tell me what fucking gun to use? Go fuck yourself dickhead!

Which was a little something like my response.
CaptainBus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/24/2009 03:36
CaptainBus
This reminds me of a CS LAN match I played in uni around 8 years ago.

I was the last T left and was frankly nowhere near the bomb, and there were three CTs left. There must have been around 3 kick votes which I survived and, having noted that I was the only poor bastard left on my team, I just shot at anything that moved.

I managed to drop the first CT in a tunnel, catch the second guy coming down the stairs, then had an intense firefight with the last CT in a courtyard, I managed to hide behind a pillar, load in my last SMG clip, and spray the guy to the floor. I was frankly beside myself as I was absolutely awful at the game and it was only through playing similar games as a kid that I was any good at all.

The moral is to cut noobs slack, because you don't know when they may come good.
rocketpunch's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/24/2009 07:45
rocketpunch
I have this friend whom I occasionally play fighting games with. Though I can kick his ass when I really focus, he outclasses me without exerting much effort. He's had double-digit winning streaks against me in Tekken 5: DR and practically demolishes me in Tekken 6's arcade version. Still, he says I put up a good fight, and that I should practice more, work on my follow-throughs, combos, etc. Hell, he's not afraid of sharing his arsenal of game-winning strategies and such.

We need more people like these.
Zippyduda's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/24/2009 08:29
Zippyduda
This article is the exact reason I don't play Team Deathmatch (not sure of the relevant game name, forgot it) in Team Fortress 2. I hate being the last player in TF2. The reason being is because I play Spy, and I'm relatively good, but when you're the last player versus the whole team or more then 3 (say a pyro, heavy and scout/medic) it's fucking hard to defeat them if they're all next to each other.

Constantly I hear "why didn't you kill them?", "why didn't you try and capture the pint?" etc. etc.

I'm great at COD4 and love being the last one, because there isn't any text chat. I love TF2 too, but the community is pretty much summed up with this article.

Fortunately I'm the type of guy who advises new players as well and today I offered a fellow Spy some great advice as well as the medic.

If anything, the "Veterans" shouting noob are the noobs themselves sometimes.
parsleyboots's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/24/2009 16:10
parsleyboots
My favourite "I suck..." monthly musing so far.
AClockWorkMelon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/24/2009 23:59
AClockWorkMelon
It's not a veteran's responsibility to help you get better. It's not his responsibility to be nice to you. You suck and he's furious. He doesn't want you to get better. He just wants you to be on the other team next round. Don't use their behavior as a crutch. You suggest that you do horrible not because you suck, but because of a lack of positive reinforcement. No. Sorry. It's because you suck.
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2009 11:39
Rockvillian
Oh hey, just noticed I got promoted! Thanks for all the comments everyone, and yeah those are my pictures.. I figured it needed some visual analogies.

@groboh and sicknasty

Thanks for applying what you read and correcting me :P. I wasn't really going for the scientific term of positive and negative reinforcement though, but in retrospect I'm thinking I should have stated my purposeful redefining of the term just for this instance. The quality of the reinforcement is what I was after.
animetrix752's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2009 14:52
animetrix752
This article rules; it makes a point in a very memorable way, and I love the pictures. Great job. :D
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