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How to not look like an idiot in Team Fortress 2: the Scout

8:58 AM on 10.01.2007, Anthony Burch 37 comments

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Welcome, one and all, to the first installment of our ten-part "How to not look like an idiot in Team Fortress 2" series. Starting today, and working up to the official launch of The Orange Box, we'll be dishing out (mildly questionable) advice for every class in the game, as well as some general tips that remain common to all characters.

Today's spotlighted character is the Scout: quick, nimble, and armed with the most powerful shotgun in the game, the Scout is a heck of a lot more powerful today than he was in the olden days of Team Fortress Classic. But how to properly use him to your advantage? And how to effectively defeat a Scout, should you ever come face-to-face with one?

Hit the jump to find out. 

[Special thanks to [Andr3x] and Eschatos for posing in the above screenshot]

 

When playing as him:

 

-Keep moving

If there's one thing the Scout has an abundance of, it is speed. They move nearly twice as fast as most of the other classes, which comes in useful for quickly capturing points and nabbing flags (more on that later). Therefore, when a Scout is forced into combat, it only makes sense to continue using that very speed against the enemy.

You'll never hear anyone complaining about bunnyhoppers in TF2; if you've gotta fight somebody as a Scout, do so whilst running around in seemingly random patterns and double-jumping through the air whenever and wherever possible. Of particular note is the Scout's ability to change direction in midair; jumping forward, then double-jumping to the side, confuses the hell out of enemies. Bad guys can't kill what they can't hit.

It may take a while to get used to accurately aiming at your enemies whilst running around in this extraordinary manner, but with enough practice, you'll have the ability to simultaneously dodge enemy fire and accurately fire shell after shell into your opponents.

 

-Don't be afraid to retreat

As the Scout has the lowest HP level of any of the classes, every bit of damage he takes counts for quite a bit. Even a Medic, the weakest combat class, can kill a Scout with a good three or four seconds of sustained fire from his syringe-gun.

With that in mind, don't be afraid to run away if things get hot. Health is sprinkled liberally throughout all of the current maps and the Scout is far too quick to be followed; should you find yourself dying, simply run away, regroup, and come back when you're ready. The Scout moves quickly enough so that, on most maps, it's actually quicker to retreat back to one's spawn point and then sprint all the way back than it is to deal with the fifteen-second respawn time following a death.

Considering the Scout's shotgun also takes a little while to reload, a quick and momentary retreat will provide the time you need to fully replenish your ammunition.

Additionally, while Scouts can hold their own in most types of one-on-one combat, they get positively raped in the simultaneous presence of two or more enemies. If a Scout runs into a room and sees two Pyros, a Heavy Weapons Guy, and a Soldier, he has every reason in the world to turn tail and find an alternate route. There's no shame in running away -- honest.

 

-ZERG RUSH KEKEKEKEKE

In control point maps -- especially those with only one control point, a la tc_hydro -- the Scout can be an invaluable tool for quickly and cheaply getting some quick territory captures. At the beginning of any given map, a Scout, or a group of Scouts, can easily sprint from their respawn point and capture the nearest control points (thus decreasing their team's respawn time and, depending on the map, potentially moving their spawn location forward). The Scout's speed, when combined with the fact that they capture control points twice as fast as any other class, makes them invaluable for quickly taking over the map.

It's irritating, yes, but it's also totally fair within the rules of the game, and serves as a quick way of increasing one's score. Hey -- at the end of the day, it's the losing team's fault if they couldn't be arsed to mount a quick defense.

 

-Think like a Spy

The Scout's shotgun is essentially lethal at point-blank range when fired at an enemy's back. Hiding behind corners and sneaking up on enemies might not seem like the most obvious strategy to use as the speedy Scout, but it can be remarkably effective when used correctly. If the enemy team hasn't had to deal with too many spies thus far in the game, they're probably not going to be paranoid enough to continually turn around to check their six o' clocks. Use this to your advantage.

 

-Don't forget the pistol

A lot of Scouts love to switch between shotgun and baseball bat, opting to ignore their pistol entirely. I don't subscribe to this philosophy, for two reasons:

1. Switching to the baseball bat necessitates close-quarters combat -- a bad idea for a character class with such low HP.

2. The pistol really isn't that bad.

Yeah, it's inaccurate, it has a very low max ammo capacity, and it's kind of weak, but when fired repeatedly from a safe distance -- say, far enough away so a Pyro can't torch you, but close enough so the pistol's inaccuracy becomes negligible -- it can serve as a handy method of finishing off the opponents whom you emptied your shotgun into mere moments before.

At the very least, a Scout can combine a pistol attack with a retreat: simply face the enemy and run backwards whilst emptying clip after clip at them. It probably won't result in a kill, but you'll have at least done some damage, and provided some extra cover for your retreat.

 

-Get your "Super Mario" on

If you haven't yet listened to the developer's commentary, you probably haven't yet realized that every single map has been specifically designed to cater to each of the different nine classes. Now, with most of the characters, these designs are pretty boring -- high windows for Snipers, hidden corners for Pyros, etcetera -- but the Scout's are a hell of a lot of fun. 

Essentially, every wide open area such as the bridge in ctf_2fort or the capture points in cp_gravelpit possess large platforms which can only be accessed by Scouts (or grenade-jumping Demomen, but they can't really do much once they're actually up there). As a Scout, it is possible to traverse an entire capture area without touching the ground even once -- and I've seen it happen, multiple times.

Not only does it look cool as hell, and not only is it extremely fun to do, but it also puts you at a significant advantage over your enemies. Jumping from plateau to plateau makes it extremely difficult for long-range fighters like the Sniper to get a bead on you, and short-range weapons like the Pyro's flamethrower can't possibly reach you at that altitude. The expert Scout can jump like a demented squirrel from structure to structure, pause to make a quick capture, and then jump away again without taking a significant amount of damage. 

 

-Try not to act like Rambo
For all the strengths and benefits of the Scout class, one must always remember that the Scout is not a great combat character. As said earlier, he can take most classes in a one-on-one fight, but the chances of only meeting lone enemies throughout the duration of a map are, to put it bluntly, pretty goddamned slim. The ideal Scout focuses on capturing points, stealing flags, and generally complicating things for the enemy -- he prioritizes territory first, kills second.

Think of the old Muhammad Ali boxing cliche; "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee." Scouts aren't the guys used for large-scale attacks, but they can freely roam about the map, biding their time, before dealing critical damage to the enemy team. 

 

When playing against him:

Do not -- I repeat -- do not underestimate the Scout's killing power. In the original TFC, the scout had about three HP and shot bullets made of candy, so it's understandable that longtime players might brush the Scout off as the same harmless annoyance he used to be.

Seeing a Scout should instill roughly the same amount of fear one would experience when seeing a Heavy Weapons guy; you can handle him, yeah, but not very easily, and not without losing some health. Generally, you'll want make sure the Scout can't get too close to you, but considering his tremendous speed, this isn't always an option.

If you find yourself unable to run from a Scout, make sure to move around as much as possible. As the Scout's main weapon only has six shots, a crappy firing rate, and a worse reload time, your best best is to get him to waste his ammo as you plug away at him with a reliable short-range weapon. He's got very little HP, so doing even an average amount of damage to him will either kill him, or force him to retreat (at which point you can run and get healing). Force the Scout to run around corners to get at you, then hit him with your most powerful weapon -- this applies especially to the Pyro and the Soldier.

Engineer sentries are absolutely awesome in dealing with Scouts. If a Scout finds himself within the sights of a level one sentry for more than, say, two seconds, he's dead. Placing a Sentry gun near your command point or flag makes it wholly impossible for the Scout to dominate the map on his own; the time it will take him to wait for a Soldier or a Spy to destroy your sentry gun will give you the extra time needed to take him out.

If you're a Spy, don't even bother engaging the Scout unless he's standing relatively still, with his back to you. He's too damn fast and your weapons are too damn weak. Just cloak, and run right past him.

If you're a Heavy Weapons Guy, just make sure you've got your minigun rotating before the Scout shows up, and let loose on him the moment you see him. So long as you're at relatively full health you'll be able to kill him with no problem -- just don't let him get behind you, because then you'll spend precious seconds turning to find him as he circle-strafes around your body, pumping it full of buckshot. 


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AngelsDontBurn's Avatar
AngelsDontBurn at 10/01/2007 09:05
"I'M RUNNING CIRCLES AROUND YA!"
Velt's Avatar
Velt at 10/01/2007 09:12
Great article, im new to TF2 so im going to keep reading.
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hjd uk at 10/01/2007 09:13
Nice article. The scout gun doesnt have massive range but its nice to have decent gun when playing as a non-offence player, for those no-way-out moments. And its annoying as hell when in melee with a scout, having taken out your liquor bottle / bonesaw / wrench in order for the little pluggers to backpeddle away (taking shots at you) faster than you can run :).
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hjd uk at 10/01/2007 09:18
Dont forget , a Medic can give you extra health above the 100% mark. Extra useful as a scout, having such low HP.
itemforty's Avatar
itemforty at 10/01/2007 09:19
Awesome write up. The scout is a blast to play.
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Eschatos at 10/01/2007 09:26
I usually only use the Scout in small games, ten or less people, because there's less of a chance someone's already using him, and in big games, most of the time you'll be facing a couple of enemies at a time, and captures will be well guarded, making the Scout near useless. Still, there's nothing like hopping around a heavy, with him desperately swiveling in circles, until you bash him to death.
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BS3 Owner at 10/01/2007 09:45
The PIC looks like a screen capture of "The Newsees".
You know the paperboy movie???...
dubbya's Avatar
dubbya at 10/01/2007 10:07
Am I the only one who wants Team Fortress 2 but not Half Life or Portal?
Boolean's Avatar
Boolean at 10/01/2007 10:07
Fuck, I thought this was going to be another one of those class type videos. Way to get my hopes up.
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OrangeGoblin at 10/01/2007 10:12
Ah, the scout. So many TFC memories. I've yet to play TF2, but at one point I was insanely, insanely good with the scout in TFC. As in, kill a sentry gun with a crowbar good. Of course, this makes it all the more depressing because I will probably never be that good at any game again...
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king3vbo at 10/01/2007 10:21
MMM good times with the scout in TFC. Sweet idea for a recurring article!
Andrex's Avatar
Andrex at 10/01/2007 10:27
hehe.. Zerg rush.. it did remind me how a team of scouts was such a pain in the ass in CP maps, nice starcraft reference
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Xbudz at 10/01/2007 10:48
Those scouts are 1950's sexy.
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LarkOhiya at 10/01/2007 11:01
"I could dance all day! I could dance all day!"
Necros's Avatar
Necros at 10/01/2007 11:06
I'm looking forward to this for 360, but moreso for Portal.
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twincannon at 10/01/2007 11:09
Bonk.

Pistol rocks for taking out un-watched sentries, or heavies. It has nice sniping power. Just make sure to click fast instead of holding down attack.
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Rockvillian at 10/01/2007 11:23
The Scout class is my comfort class! Nice write up Rev.

Now I just gotta cancel my shitty wireless and get back on broadband, as well as fix my graphics card that likes to show me how well it can make green squares.
Cardoweth's Avatar
Cardoweth at 10/01/2007 11:39
Looking forward to this game.

I look like an idiot because I ignored the awesomeness of TF2 *Facepalm*
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Sharpless at 10/01/2007 11:59
I realize this is blasphemous, but I wish I didn't have to spend $60 to get this, despite everything else in the Orange Box. I really just want TF2.
Eschatos's Avatar
Eschatos at 10/01/2007 12:02
Yup, that is straight up blasphemy. How can you not want Portal or Episode 2?
Sharpless's Avatar
Sharpless at 10/01/2007 12:17
I've never played Half-Life. I know nothing of Portal. I just want a sweet multiplayer game.
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witthaus at 10/01/2007 12:18
this is arguably the best bargain for three games-in-one ever! i am highly anticipating a new online multiplayer considering shadowrun is most likely never getting new maps
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BahamutZero at 10/01/2007 12:24
"In the original TFC, the scout had about three HP and shot bullets made of candy"

I LULLED

seriously, this is the best idea for a series of articles ever. I can't wait for you to get to the spy so I finally know how to kill you, you backstabbing bastard
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DeusPayne at 10/01/2007 12:26
Uh... to those that don't want to spend $60, buy it for the PC. You can get it for $20, or can get the entire pack for $10 cheaper than console versions, and be able to give away all the parts of the Orange Box that you already own. Console Orange Box FTL. PC Orange Box FTW!
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Lukich at 10/01/2007 12:33
"I'm not even winded!"
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Knives at 10/01/2007 12:38
This is great, i just finished downloading TF2 late yesterday and only got a couple of mins of play because: A)I had homework to do, and, B) I was looking like an idiot.


@DeusPayne

$15 cheaper if you buy it now, they have a 10% off pre-purchase discount so it's only $44.95
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Bryan- at 10/01/2007 15:05
I can't wait for your Spy post! I only play as spy -- a record 17 backstabs in one round. I have too much time on my hands.

I heard that the Scout's attacks get stronger the faster he's running. True or false?
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CannibalCalvin at 10/01/2007 16:18
MOAR!
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Upgrayedd at 10/01/2007 17:49
Great advice, looking forward to the rest of the series.
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Magesx at 10/01/2007 18:33
DOC, COME ONE MAN!
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Magesx at 10/01/2007 18:34
Curse you, typos. >:O
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Mister Disco at 10/01/2007 21:03
Team Fortress Classic was the game that got me into multiplayer FPS, so this one is on my A-list. Gotta wait for 360, though, unfortunately.
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PrinceofCannedPeaches at 10/07/2007 19:47
The Scout Game Plan:
1) Grab candy.
2) Run.
Nameless Monster's Avatar
Nameless Monster at 12/18/2008 23:49
HIT IT DOC!

I'M DYING HERE!

THIS SUCKS ON ICE!
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