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I'll be honest: I don't love LittleBigPlanet. I respect my game-reviewing brethren, but there are so many small issues (like control, jump precision, boring levels, terrible music) that keep me from loving it. It's more of a mild like for me. One thing I do love, though, is playing through user-created levels. It's like ever forum kiddie out there made a level about something they hated, and I find myself laughing out loud at some of the designs.

Unfortunately, some of the most "expressive" levels are being deleted, and from the way I look at it, Sony is deleting the only part of the game I like. So, in a selfish manner, I'm going to share these guidelines (found on CVG) for LBP level creation, so I'll actually have something to enjoy in the game.

Sony Computer Entertainment are committed to continually improving our moderation procedure and the methods of communication we use, in particular regarding the reasons that user complaints are upheld. In the meantime, here are some suggestions for all of our creators:

  • Ensure that the content you share with other users is suitable for all ages - everybody has access to your level if you publish it
  • Please respect other people's intellectual property rights. For example, don't use images, brands or logos that you're not entitled to use.
  • If you come across any content that you feel the need to report, then please do it responsibly. Hoax reports will be considered inappropriate behaviour.
Ugh. I totally hate that this game is regulated so tightly, though I can appreciate the decision to do so. I don't know any 12-year-old PS3 owners, but I'm sure they're out there. Too bad there isn't some kind of age gate. As for using brands or logos, they're just covering their ass. Understandable. It's also too bad you can't just send levels privately between each other.







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Josh Tolentino's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 09:54
Josh Tolentino
While I'm not entirely happy either that "LOL XBOX SUX LOOKIT MY MARIO LEVEL" levels are likely to be deleted, I don't think that LBP's most creative works are homages to other games. Look at that level with the co-op airship, the calculator, or LittleBig Train Heist. None of those are a Mario or a Halo or a Metal Gear level.

If anything, this may well encourage more creativity. Folks loudly complaining that "I'M GONNA SELL MY COPY NOW" would do well to wait a bit, and perhaps be willing to take the plunge on a level that ISN'T another simple-minded attempt to make something they find familiar.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 10:00
Holyetheline
Private level sharing would be great.
Geoff Henao's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 10:05
Geoff Henao
@Holyetheline:

Apparently, there is private level sharing. From what I've heard, the levels with the locks on them are for private use only.

And yeah, the best levels are the ones Takeshi, ponyboy, Hapuken, and I can break and wreak havoc on.
Major Mustard's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 10:06
Major Mustard
@ unangbangkay

Yeah I agree. I know people really like the levels based on other games but if that was all that was getting churned out by users, it would just come down to people trying to think of the next game they're gonna copy. It would be boring as hell.
russtolium's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 10:11
russtolium
@unangbangkay

It may encourage more creativity, but it betrays the 'build anything' mindset that the game is based upon.

But I guess this is a lesson for community based games, when you make the creation tools the selling point of the product and invest in supporting an online community for people to share those creations, expect to be censored and moderated by your lawyer fearing benefactors.

As someone who has been modding and mapping for computer games as a side hobby, I suppose this vindicates the much higher barrier of entry for that type of content creation.

The tools are often unpolished, difficult to learn and use, and offer no means of distribution beyond map sites and message boards, but at least you're utterly free to do whatever you want and infringe to your heart's delight, because the companies claim no investment or responsibility.

I still don't like this, but I guess you can't have it perfect either way.
Josh Tolentino's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 10:14
Josh Tolentino
@Major Mustard
Exactly. I like my LittleBig GameILove as much as the next guy, but simply allowing users to just churn out whatever it is they felt like remaking might actually stifle creativity in the long run, especially as the level counts reach the hundreds of thousands (over 84000 levels have been uploaded as of the above update). With every level a LittleBig Soul Calibur or a LittleBig Star Wars, people might not even bother looking up levels that AREN'T a remake.
Spectreman's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 10:17
Spectreman
* Level to all ages my ass. This game is sinking with too much regulations.
Morrius's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 10:19
Morrius
How did this end up on the main page?
Pacopaco's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 10:26
Pacopaco
Ugh. I'm still debating whether or not to remove the random Strong Bad face from my level or let it stew in obscurity while this whole issue gets clarified.

Still love the game and the incredible creativity it allows (though I'll admit it's not for everyone--as is every game ever made) but I am a bit disappointed that more funds weren't devoted to smooth execution of the online aspects.
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 10:34
BluDesign
@paco

I'd remove it. Given the fact that they are actively deleting levels for branding, all it takes is one mod to see it and flag it for deletion and all your efforts are for naught.

I think it's really a shame that they want this user created content to be out there, and yet they knew this would happen. I think they should've made a judgment call long ago and removed PS-eye support for the game and just not done image support at all. It would've dealt a blow to the "creativity" of the game, but it would've kept a lot of this legal gray area from rearing it's ugly head.

If anything, this is going to make MS think long and hard about doing their own user created content game if this much infighting between users and moderators is the end result.
Danzflor's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 10:43
Danzflor
Too much limitations, they want a game made to create and share? well, let us "the artists" do the job of make awesome levels that will take your sales to the top dear sony ¬¬
Edge of Blade's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 11:11
Edge of Blade
"control, jump precision, boring levels, terrible music"

I can always count on you to give it to us straight. I felt the same way, that awkward jumping in LBP was a total buzzkill.
Mr Gilder's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 11:14
Mr Gilder
The day I got LBP I resolutely declared that I will be making a level called "Vampire Killer" which will be a remake of the the 1st level from the 1st Castlevania. I am delighted to see I didn't waste the hours to do so only to have my efforts wasted.

On a separate note, I'm happy to hear about your reservations about LBP in large Dale. I feel like too many people are ingnoring the fundamental flaws to extoll the larger picture. I dislike the jumping mechanics too, and find myself ONLY pulling LBP out when I have non-gamer company to entertain as a result of it.
TewDee's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 11:17
TewDee
LBP was one of those games that I would buy a PS3 for. Seeing all this hardcore regulated crap by Sony, I'm glad I didn't.
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 11:19
Corak
Also when you create a level, can't you invite friends to your pod and go to your level to play it without it being uploaded online? I thought you could. If so there's hope for you porn level editors out there. I understand the whole copyright thing, I just wish they wouldn't have to do it. I've played some cool levels that wern't based on anything else, World of Color, for example. But there are others like the God of War level or the Gradius level that are very well done also.
Touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 11:22
Touch
I dunno, I think it was always pretty obvious that you wouldn't be allowed to upload images of whatever the hell you wanted - that was a no-brainer, surely?

What bugs me is things like colour palette, which is limited to an unacceptable degree. As evidence of this, I challenge anybody to create an item which is dark blue, without resorting to using the camera to create a dark blue sticker. It's not like I'm asking for some unusual colour like mauve or lilac - I'm talking about DARK BLUE, ffs! They don't want us to use copyrighted material? Fair enough - but why restrict us to about 5 different colours then? In this day and age, when most people are at least vaguely familiar with things like MS Paint, the lack of variety in the palette is astonishing. I'm also stunned that they don't have a "fill" tool - you know that one with the symbol which looks like a tin of paint, and allows you to fill a set area with a single colour? Not having an option like that in 2008 is absolutely pathetic....
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 11:36
Timmeh
Deleting legitimate uses of IP and free advertising? Cool. Don't want you using the free version of something you could have the option of paying for one day.

Deleting 'age inappropriate' content because they didn't bother including age restrictions? Awesome.
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 12:15
BluDesign
@tim

Really, though, what place is there for "age restrictions" on content? It's solely out of people's desires to paste nudity based pictures and create levels that look like giant genitals. Big whoop. What's the appeal after playing Little Big Penis for the 12th time?

If there was some appeal to create more age restricted content through some other means than juvenile attempts at putting boobs in the game, I can see the benefit. As it is, you can't make the game gorier, you can't make the mood darker, you can't create much of an "adult" themed story since there really isn't one at all.

That pretty much leaves all the "adult" content squarely in the whole sex/nudity theme, which is rarely anything more than jokey levels and designs.

I challenge someone to create an "adult" themed level in this game that isn't reliant on creating a giant cock or pasting up PS-Eye pics of their GF in the level.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 13:03
mix
It kinda sucks that it's becoming so strict but they don't really want to get into any law suits with butt hurt companies that are not making profits because there is a sticker/picture up in a level.

@brainderailment

Sounds awesome!
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 13:24
Timmeh
@DVD: You're right I guess - I haven't got the game so I don't know what's possible with it, but I think maybe if people want to make/run around in crude levels jumping up and down on penises that's their business, an age check could placate their desire for phallic fun while keeping enquiring minds out.

I was mainly thinking about Spore, last time I read anything about it, EA managed to give people a way to deal with penis monsters without a blanket ban on anything that might upset little Johnny and Jane.

And yes, when a towering, 80 foot tall dong comes wobbling over the horizon it does ellicit a chuckle, no matter how crude it might be :P
kastle's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 13:36
kastle
Bitch all you want people, there was no way Sony was going to just let people run rampant and do whatever the hell they wanted. No way, that they were going to just sit back and not worry about the legal ramifications of hundreds of licensed properties are being exploited on their system.
BattyAdroit's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 15:40
BattyAdroit
@Dale
"I'll be honest: I don't love LittleBigPlanet. I respect my game-reviewing brethren, but there are so many small issues (like control, jump precision, boring levels, terrible music)"

boring levels? terrible music? are we playing the same game? Are there not enough space marines for you?
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 16:01
Dan CiTi
The story levels are still the best at least 90% of the time.
Too Much Coffee Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 16:58
Too Much Coffee Man
I agree w/ Mr. North up there.

My anticipation for this game has weaned, and although i thought i would be spending tons of time playing it, i've only ended up mildly liking it and playing it once a week occasionally.

Parody levels probably would have been the most amusing. It's gameplay isn't that fantastic & it seems like its strongest selling point, creativity, is being squashed. I thought parody was protected from IP laws anyway.
Clockwork's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/13/2008 21:01
Clockwork
I love this game. Although I do agree with Dale that the jumping needs some definite tweaking. The fact that I can't play my favorite games in user-created levels in LBP, is a little disappointing. Those are usually the best ones.
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