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How Persona 4 fared when it comes to sales photo

Persona 4 was a victory for RPG fans in a variety of ways -- innovative gameplay and setting, engaging story, vivid character depictions and best of all, fun to play. You'd easily think that it sold quite well, but with the presentation of some new numbers from Atlus, we see that it did in fact fall short of what it should have. Via Siliconera:

North America
Persona 4 (PS2) – 110,000 (150,000 expected)
Devil Survivor (DS) – 40,000 (25,000 expected)

Japan
Persona 4 (PS2) – 300,000 (180,000 expected)
Devil Summoner 2 (PS2) – 180,000 (120,000 expected)
Devil Survivor (DS) – 110,000 (100,000 expected)
Persona (PSP) – 160,000 (50,000 expected)
Growlanser (PSP) – 50,000 (40,000 expected)

It's great to see that goals are being surpassed in Japan, but man, Americans only bought 110,000 copies of Persona 4? REALLY? Are there that few people in the gaming universe interested in an RPG like this? I mean, this financial report covers August 2008 to July 2009, so it could be that more have sold since July ... but I can't imagine that number has jumped too significantly.

Bottom line,its obvious from these numbers that more people are interested in the HD, generic RPG than they are in a truly stellar one with the balls to be unique, and that makes me sad.If you're interested but still waffling about buying it, please do yourself a favor -- you're missing one of the best RPGs on the PS2.








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Krow's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:23
Krow
I am one of the people who didn't buy Persona 4. I just don't have the money.
nilcam's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:24
nilcam
I'm always tempted to buy Persona for the art and setting but then the reality of the time commitment hits me and I move along. If these games were shorter, I'd buy in. I pass on anything over 40 hours.
ran24's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:24
ran24
Haha, saw Unangbangkay ranting about this earlier. I think the main reason for the low sales is that people have stopped buying ps2 games entirely. Too busy buying games for the current generation to bother paying attention to the older systems. If Persona 4 had been released a couple of years ago, it'd be a different story.
Sanious's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:24
Sanious
I watched a good portion of a play through of it, but I never played it. I honestly like RPGs, but it involves a lot of time that I really have to set my mind into. RPGs are not something I can always get into and just play.
laika one's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:28
laika one
@krow rly? It was already at super bargain price when it was released. I picked it up for $50au which is less than half the price of a new release when it came out, you could probably get it even cheaper now. If you can scrape it together, you should definitely track down a copy. It's well worth it. :)
ChickenNow's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:29
ChickenNow
Could someone explain to me why almost everyone at Destructoid rides Persona's cock and talks about nothing other than Persona as if it was the shiny beacon that all JRPG's must follow and trust?

I mean, they're all great games, but don't tell me this news surprised you Colette. No matter how good a game like this is, it's only going to sell to a certain audience: the same audience that bought the first 3 and the various spin-offs. It's a niche product that only caters to a small group of gamers, no matter how hardcore they are.
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:30
Shadowiii
I will be honest: The reason I didn't buy it was it was on the PS2. I have a PS2 but haven't plugged it back in since getting a new TV. I'm sorry!
I really need to balls up and get them. I promise I'll do it before I sell my PS2.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:30
Xzyliac
Persona 4 came out?

....oops.
MuddBstrd's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:31
MuddBstrd
I have the same problem a few of the people above do: the sheer amount of time required for these games. It's great that they are giving consumers a good value, but when you only have an hour to play a day, a massive RPG is a really daunting task. There's also the fact that the one Shin Megami Tensei game I've played, Nocturne, didn't sit with me very well, and has made me even more hesitant to give this spin-off of the SMT series a try.
highlatency's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:34
highlatency
I think the biggest problem is that it launched on the PS2 after the new consoles were out, I had to download a PS2 emulator just so I could play my copy due to that fact.
dTunes's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:35
dTunes
Pre-ordered it, along with the social link expansion pack. Never played it yet though.
phantomile's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:35
phantomile
I bought P4 the day it came out, as I do with every SMT game. It's pretty much the one and only series that I've remained completely dedicated to over the years.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:38
The Silent Protagonist
Well, I guess the silver lining is Devil Survivor actually did better than Atlus expected.

Still kinda sad Persona 4 hasn't met their goals. I can kinda see why Altus is focusing their SMT games on PSP and DS now, as their charms on console games eeem to have been wasted on Sony gamers.

Kazuma Kaneko recently confirmed that SMT Strange Journey was in fact SMT IV. So now main series MegaTen is on DS and Persona stuff for PSP. I can't say I blame them for the move since SE and Sega seem to be following a similar pattern with some of their RPG franchies, which also unsurprisingly went unappreciated by Sony gamers. And Valkyria Chronicles was HD.
Restier's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:40
Restier
I live in Brazil and despite all the trouble to import i got my copy as it just lauched.
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:40
Electrium
Persona 4 is worth the 70+ hours you will dedicate to it. I absolutely loved that game, it pains me to see how little it sold.
dip's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:41
dip
I still haven't finished P3 yet and I'm easily over a hundred hours in. That's why I didn't buy it. Too many other games to play and I would like to get back to P3 and finish it some day.
Krow's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:42
Krow
@laika

Yeah, really. I wouldn't have said it if I didn't mean it.
bakasama's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:45
bakasama
That's really sad, but I did my part (even though it's still in the shrinkwrap because I haven't gotten through Persona 3 yet)
Colette Bennett's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:50
Colette Bennett
@ChickenNow - the reason why several Dtoid staffers "ride Persona's cock", as you so eloquently put it, its that its a high quality game worth the praise. As for talking about nothing but Persona, perhaps you should refer to the dozens of other articles we write about JRPGs on a weekly basis.

I never said the news surprised me. I said the news sucks. Read before you come in the comments and bitch next time.
Bluejuan85's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:57
Bluejuan85
If they make a Persona 4 PSP we don't deserve it. In other words Persona 3/FES met Atlus USA's expectations.
Sterling Aiayla Lyons's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:57
Sterling Aiayla Lyons
Any word on how well Devil Summoner 2 did? I see the Japanese numbers, but not the North American numbers.

It's a sad point, but I wonder how much the lack of time(and enthusiasim) of the core demographic of JRPG's at the time factor into those numbers.

Eh, I'm glad I got it when I did, and even more glad I preordered Devil Summoner 2.
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 18:59
HEL105
I'd but it if I could play it, but my PS2 crapped out and I'm not keen on buying another one in the near future. I will be picking up Devil Survivor soon, though.
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:00
HEL105
I'd BUY it, I meant.
whatisdelicious's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:00
whatisdelicious
I hadn't even REALLY heard of the Persona series until Giant Bomb's Endurance Run. So obviously they had a problem with marketing, so those numbers actually don't surprise me. I bought Persona 3: FES after watching some of the Endurance Run and realizing how fun it looked for a JRPG (a genre I typically hate) and finished the original campaign. It was really good and Persona 4 looked just as good from the Endurance Run.

But yeah, not really surprising since Giant Bomb is a better marketing team for them than what they've got. Only now that Giant Bomb's Endurance Run is so popular do I see all this rampant love for Persona games.
Crabman's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:02
Crabman
@ChickenNow: I totally ride Persona's cock.

In an as non-gay way as possible.
Magesx's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:05
Magesx
I didn't buy Persona 4 because I didn't really want Persona 4. Sorry guys.
Jechxior's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:10
Jechxior
People even if your not a huge RPG gamer you need to buy this game. Everything about this game is just top quality. The story is compelling full of very interesting plot twists and hidden endings, the characters are easy to connect with, and the gameplay is simple but deep enough that you should think about what you do in battle and in your characters social links.
This is the game that really got me interested in not only Atlus but the Shin Megami Tensei games. The price is very fair for 70+ hrs. of one of the best games ever.
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:11
Phoenix Gamma
To be fair, Persona as a serious is incredibly niche, and Atlus isn't really known for blockbusters on the scale of stuff like them Haloz or Final Fantasy. Hell, I'm surprised Atlus has actually managed to make a game that more than 5 people have heard of.

And while I mean that hyperbolic statement in the least offensive way possible (Atlus is good people), I'm planted firmly in the position that Persona 4 receives much more praise than it actually deserves. I'll spare my list of complaints for another time, but I'm not surprised by these numbers. If Atlus made a profit off of this game, then I'd say that's pretty successful, and they should be happy with that. Lord knows nobody bought 101-in-1 Explosive Megamix.
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:12
Phoenix Gamma
gah, I meants "Persona as a series". How I doez spellchek?
TheCleaningGuy's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:14
TheCleaningGuy
More people should buy them, but it seems that JRPG interest is unfortunately waning...
ejamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:14
ejamer
Too bad there wasn't a Wii port of Persona 4. Not that it would've sold boatloads on Wii either... but everything developed for Wii seems to get PS2 ports and I at least would've been able to buy a copy if it was playable on a present-generation console.
Dreamsower's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:23
Dreamsower
I ride Shin Megami Tensei's cock. Can we start a group thing going with like arm bands and patches?

I think this just goes to show nothing much has changed from what happened with Ico and Beyond Good and Evil. Even with the wider awareness of these niche titles and coverage at gaming conventions I doubt the sales will ever increase drastically. Maybe I am being a pessimist but I think the biggest change the expanded coverage will be a slight increase in sales and a larger increase in used traffic of it. Sure it arouses more of an interest but I feel like people just like to stick with genres they know they'll enjoy. Nothing wrong with that, especially when you may be on a tight budget.

I've been pre-ordering SMT games since Nocturne/DDS but that is primarily because I am a huge JRPG whore. Here's to hoping I am eventually proved wrong and they start selling like hot cakes.
Vanilla Gorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:25
Vanilla Gorilla
Preach it, sista!
Blasto's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:32
Blasto
So,um...port them to current gen consoles? They ever think of that? PS2s look shitty on HD sets regardless of the games graphic quality. I liked Persona 3, but honestly, few people want to buy "old gen" games for $40. I bet they would easily triple those numbers if they put them on 360/PS3.
ThyHorrorCosmic's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:34
ThyHorrorCosmic
I bought both persona 4 and 3 last month for about 60 bucks total and they were worth every penny. I was a bit hesitant at first because the only RPG's I'd ever played to that point were Pokemon Red and Final Fantasy Legend 3...I think it was the best purchase I made for the PS2. Except for Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 of course.
tgammet's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:34
tgammet
I have it already.

Really though, PS3 (and maybe 360?) next time?
tgammet's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:36
tgammet
To clarify my last statement, I agree with others above that I think a significant portion of the games audience had moved on to systems that don't play PS2 games.
Los255's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:38
Los255
I wouldve bought it if I played the first 3. It's just the way I am with RPGs.
Zarathustra's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:42
Zarathustra
I really want this game, but since the birth of my first child, money and time are both tight. Hopefully it will still be available in the future.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:45
Excel-2011
@Los255:
They're connected in tangential ways. There's no continuity between any of them.

There's still time.
able to think's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:48
able to think
I bought both those games.

Can't stand Devil Survivor though, WAY too hard.
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 19:48
Wedge
It probably hurt being on PS2 out in the US. PS2 is still a lot more prevelant in Japan. That and Atlus is still pretty niche, I'd say them selling over 100k of anything in the US is good work.
Dreamsower's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 20:00
Dreamsower
As much as I love little gems like this I don't think anyone is to blame for it not doing well. It'll just be sad if it causes any future projects to not happen. I will continue to enjoy what games come around and hope other people enjoy 'em as well.
atastysammich's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 20:07
atastysammich
Yeah, but now I'm nervously shifting back and forth, wondering if it's going to get PORTABLE'D! at some point...
bluemeep's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 20:19
bluemeep
I still need to pick it up... I blame the whole not-owning-a-PS2 thing for keeping it from me. Did pick up P3 FES, though! Anyone know how well they emulate on a PC?
50ft. Samurai 's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 20:20
50ft. Samurai
Wow, that is pretty low. I figured at least 2/3 of Japan sales. Come on USA!
DreamingDarklyRobin's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 20:20
DreamingDarklyRobin
I have to admit that I Gamefly'd it.
Tralfmadoria's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 20:23
Tralfmadoria
Tragic acceptance. That's all I can say. Persona 4 shall enter a pantheon reserved for those creative works of art that are not afraid to stand by themselves, and are ignored by the masses for that very fact.
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 20:33
manasteel88
gotta get through my mountain of other 60-100 hour rpgs on the PS2 and then I'll get around to buying this.
Robot Viking's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/06/2009 20:37
Robot Viking
As a proud SMT cock rider, I can't say I'm surprised but I am disappointed. The sad thing is that even though it's on the PS2, it's still better than any JRPG on the current gen systems.
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