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I don't know if you're insinuating that Mario Party 8 is going to be a rehash of Mario Party 7, Ishaan, but you're dead wrong. It's going to be more like Mario Party 5. Confirmed.
"There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth."
I was in the wailing crowd.
Good write up. I sure hope they don't make online play a bitch to use.
I was in the wailing crowd.
Good write up. I sure hope they don't make online play a bitch to use.
Good article, but you know Nintendo will never die as a gaming system/maker. Sony on the other hand... as the kids say.. not so much.
Wouldn't it be 180? Cause 360 means they would be RIGHT back where they started and 180 going the opposite direction they were going...
Didn't Microsoft have a motion senseing controller for PC back in the day that failed miserably? I read about that somewhere. Not original. Touch screen? Like, say, a pocket PC? Also not original. Don't get me wrong, I own a GC, bought a DS and i'll probably buy a Wii. But lets not call old technology in a new wrapper innovation.
WiiConnect24 is so new and fresh and not 100% done. I mean it took over a year to get DS' WiFi running (regardless of how you like how it works).
PS: Not all DS games require friend codes, only if you want to play with SELECT people.
Examples:
StarFox Assault: Play in either 2, 3, or 4 player matches or 4-person Battle Royal, all can be done with random people.
Metroid Prime: Hunters: Random battles of people you don't know.
Castlevania: Portait of Ruin: Can do Co-Op Boss Rush mode with random stranger and open shop to sell items to people(you can go and buy stuff too).
Granted you can't get contact info or communicate with them outside of Metroid's voice chat, but still, you can play with new people in those games.
PS: Not all DS games require friend codes, only if you want to play with SELECT people.
Examples:
StarFox Assault: Play in either 2, 3, or 4 player matches or 4-person Battle Royal, all can be done with random people.
Metroid Prime: Hunters: Random battles of people you don't know.
Castlevania: Portait of Ruin: Can do Co-Op Boss Rush mode with random stranger and open shop to sell items to people(you can go and buy stuff too).
Granted you can't get contact info or communicate with them outside of Metroid's voice chat, but still, you can play with new people in those games.
The only thing I'd like to add here is this:
Sure, there is Mario on the NES, Mario on the SNES, Mario on the N64, and Mario (soon to be) on the Wii. To just look at it like that, yeah it looks repetitive and not all that creative, but that's because it's a simplified look at things.
Are we really saying that there isn't a big leap (or at least enough improvements from iteration to iteration) between all these Mario titles? Super Mario Bros. 3 is certainly a step up from Super Mario Bros., Super Mario World definitely added new game mechanics over Mario 3, Mario 64 was a huge leap forward from Mario World, and it's looking like Galaxy is leaps and bounds different from Mario 64.
If all Nintendo did was release straight up sequels that felt like nothing more than an expansion pack of the previous title then I could see why people thought Nintendo was being repetitive with it's franchises, but almost all of their sequels add something new and dare I say innovative.
Just because their games seem to star the same characters doesn't mean the games aren't different, creative, or innovative.
Oh, also great article overall Ishaan!
Sure, there is Mario on the NES, Mario on the SNES, Mario on the N64, and Mario (soon to be) on the Wii. To just look at it like that, yeah it looks repetitive and not all that creative, but that's because it's a simplified look at things.
Are we really saying that there isn't a big leap (or at least enough improvements from iteration to iteration) between all these Mario titles? Super Mario Bros. 3 is certainly a step up from Super Mario Bros., Super Mario World definitely added new game mechanics over Mario 3, Mario 64 was a huge leap forward from Mario World, and it's looking like Galaxy is leaps and bounds different from Mario 64.
If all Nintendo did was release straight up sequels that felt like nothing more than an expansion pack of the previous title then I could see why people thought Nintendo was being repetitive with it's franchises, but almost all of their sequels add something new and dare I say innovative.
Just because their games seem to star the same characters doesn't mean the games aren't different, creative, or innovative.
Oh, also great article overall Ishaan!
Yea, Nintendo has dropped the ball in the past, but they seem to have taken their heads out of their asses in the past two years.
I really hope the Wii online service gets an update in the next 4 - 6 months. I think they semi-rushed it out the door in order to hit the holiday window.
It wouldnt be that hard for Nintendo to patch it and change how the servers it connects to work.
While I dont like the DS friend code system either, I dont think I could see myself messaging people like on Live, random assignment for Mario Kart works just fine with me :)
I really hope the Wii online service gets an update in the next 4 - 6 months. I think they semi-rushed it out the door in order to hit the holiday window.
It wouldnt be that hard for Nintendo to patch it and change how the servers it connects to work.
While I dont like the DS friend code system either, I dont think I could see myself messaging people like on Live, random assignment for Mario Kart works just fine with me :)
lol Chris Taran Pwned Ishaan.. and I never use that word. Both articles (Im including Chris) will forever be subject to argue though. So who cares.... as long as there are 50 different ways for me to smash a brick over my head.
As much as it hurts to do (b/c I love Nintendo), we need to rail on them for the friend code thing until it becomes an acceptable practice.
Acceptable, Nintendo. We'll take even that. Doesn't even have to be exceptional, just acceptable. But VERY acceptable.
Acceptable, Nintendo. We'll take even that. Doesn't even have to be exceptional, just acceptable. But VERY acceptable.
I agree with Chris Taran...the games are different. It isn't like the 30827038 Crash Bandicoots out there (random game that had many versions of it, and its an exaggeration on number of titles, don't hate!), They were improvments on the game.
Yeah I forgot random races in Mario Kart DS.
But online won't happen until Spring 2007 at the earliest. They got some time to iron it out, and perhaps in the future they could really change it up. The possibilites are near limitless.
Yeah I forgot random races in Mario Kart DS.
But online won't happen until Spring 2007 at the earliest. They got some time to iron it out, and perhaps in the future they could really change it up. The possibilites are near limitless.
As long as Nintendo stops doing horrible sports games, then I don't care too much about sequels, as long as they are decent.
Ah, Nintendo. How I both love and loathe thee.
I liked the article, Ishaan. Not too much sugar, but not too much acid either. Good balance.
I liked the article, Ishaan. Not too much sugar, but not too much acid either. Good balance.
@Onii
Come on, man. Do we really need to go through the vast number of differences between Msoft's old, piece of crap motion sensing controller and the Wii's again?
Touch screen - sure, it's not an original INVENTION, but for being used with games it was a gutsy move on Nintendo's part. Especially since no game company had incorporated it into a product before.
This'll get lost in the sea of comments, I'm sure, but it is worth a mention that the Wii is a bit more than just an old Gamecube gutted out and crammed into a new shell. The technology in the Wii was made to make a fast, power-saving system with short load times, low energy consumption, and the ability to remain on at all times. Not only did they succeed there, but they did it well.
With that said, they could've benefited from raising their graphical power even a little bit, but doing that alone isn't innovation, nor is it necessarily the cause of it.
Come on, man. Do we really need to go through the vast number of differences between Msoft's old, piece of crap motion sensing controller and the Wii's again?
Touch screen - sure, it's not an original INVENTION, but for being used with games it was a gutsy move on Nintendo's part. Especially since no game company had incorporated it into a product before.
This'll get lost in the sea of comments, I'm sure, but it is worth a mention that the Wii is a bit more than just an old Gamecube gutted out and crammed into a new shell. The technology in the Wii was made to make a fast, power-saving system with short load times, low energy consumption, and the ability to remain on at all times. Not only did they succeed there, but they did it well.
With that said, they could've benefited from raising their graphical power even a little bit, but doing that alone isn't innovation, nor is it necessarily the cause of it.
Yeah friendcodes, there just being careful.
I don't like friend codes either but there been reports in the media that the DS could be using for luring children with pictochat?!?. I fully understand Nintendo wants to avoid that kind of publicity and possible lawsuits.
I don't like friend codes either but there been reports in the media that the DS could be using for luring children with pictochat?!?. I fully understand Nintendo wants to avoid that kind of publicity and possible lawsuits.
I guess I'll try and rebutt this.
I've heard this 'Nintendo falls back on it's franchises' again and again yadda yadda. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but EVERYBODY falls back on their franchises. Square, Capcom, EA.. Nintendo is hardly alone in this. Blaming them for their lack of innovation (which as someone has pointed out is hardly fair; they popularized any number of types of games, including the 2-D platformer and the 3-D platformer) is pretty stupid.
I can't really comment on their online play since I've never used it, but I'm not sure what sort of innovation you're looking for in the world of 'connecting to another device.' I'm not saying your comments are wrong, but if your argument is 'friend codes are not innovative' I guess you win a no-prize or something. What would be required to make 'connecting to another device' innovative? I think the fact the little handheld can connect wirelessly to the internet at all is pretty cool myself.
I REALLY don't know what you're trying to say in your third argument. Something about 'If Sony wasn't copying Nintendo, and thus would not exist, Nintendo wouldn't feel the need to innovate.'
Ignoring the fact that companies often try and out-innovate themselves regardless of their market position, you're argument just seems like nonsense. If no one tried to compete with Nintendo, yes, you're right, I expect they wouldn't be as innovative.
- Eddie
I've heard this 'Nintendo falls back on it's franchises' again and again yadda yadda. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but EVERYBODY falls back on their franchises. Square, Capcom, EA.. Nintendo is hardly alone in this. Blaming them for their lack of innovation (which as someone has pointed out is hardly fair; they popularized any number of types of games, including the 2-D platformer and the 3-D platformer) is pretty stupid.
I can't really comment on their online play since I've never used it, but I'm not sure what sort of innovation you're looking for in the world of 'connecting to another device.' I'm not saying your comments are wrong, but if your argument is 'friend codes are not innovative' I guess you win a no-prize or something. What would be required to make 'connecting to another device' innovative? I think the fact the little handheld can connect wirelessly to the internet at all is pretty cool myself.
I REALLY don't know what you're trying to say in your third argument. Something about 'If Sony wasn't copying Nintendo, and thus would not exist, Nintendo wouldn't feel the need to innovate.'
Ignoring the fact that companies often try and out-innovate themselves regardless of their market position, you're argument just seems like nonsense. If no one tried to compete with Nintendo, yes, you're right, I expect they wouldn't be as innovative.
- Eddie
nintendo thrived for 2 generations, slumped and is in the middle of rebirth. its a learning process, and they walked away from it with a great additude.
sony thrived for 2 generations, bad press early on in the 3rd. lets see if they handle things gracefully and can reimagine thier games division.
on that note, i will be the first person to declare the xbox720 complete and utter trash.
sony thrived for 2 generations, bad press early on in the 3rd. lets see if they handle things gracefully and can reimagine thier games division.
on that note, i will be the first person to declare the xbox720 complete and utter trash.
I am too fucking lazy to read the whole article and everybody's comments but i am going to get in on the argument. Nintendo sucks because they do their thing and they never want to change and fanboys suck because they let Nintendo fail them again and again.
I am a fanboy myself, or at least i was. But Nintendo has broken my heart too many times. The Wii is cool, its fun, buts its not the greatest thing since sliced bread (and i hate that phrase).
I am a fanboy myself, or at least i was. But Nintendo has broken my heart too many times. The Wii is cool, its fun, buts its not the greatest thing since sliced bread (and i hate that phrase).
...but I will agree with your first paragraph. Thats what Chris was trying to get at, I think. And it makes perfect sense that without another competitor, Nintendo wouldn't be as innovative, BUT THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING, and I think thats what YOU were trying to say. Sorry for the spam.
I missed the point of that article. It sounded like you just said "Nintendo's not that innovative! But thank god they are! Also cocks..." Yeah, I completely missed the legitimate argument there, other than Nintendo doesn't do online well, which is agreeable.
There's no argument against Nintendo being innovative. It's something they've only completely embraced as their overall business strategy in recent years, but they've been pioneering new technologies in gaming since their birth, and they continue to reinvent beloved franchises so as to not be too repetitive when it comes down to gameplay. They remain one the world's most innovative companies, and they're few screw ups don't change that.
There's no argument against Nintendo being innovative. It's something they've only completely embraced as their overall business strategy in recent years, but they've been pioneering new technologies in gaming since their birth, and they continue to reinvent beloved franchises so as to not be too repetitive when it comes down to gameplay. They remain one the world's most innovative companies, and they're few screw ups don't change that.
You fanboys suck just because you don't bitch enough. You let them do stupid shit like friend codes and they get away with it because you praise them for being innovative with a fucking ridiculous excuse for online support. It's not and you guys let them get away with it because you just heart them so much.
Nintendo. Phail.
Nintendo. Phail.
Great article...superb! Everything that should have been said about Nintendo in the last year, you just wrote down. I look forward to some change in Wii's Connect24 service.
The fact of the matter is that the Wii isn't even that innovative. There is no new technology there, and games aren't that extremely fun. I really don't enjoy Zelda on the Wii a huge amount and wish i still had my Gamecube to play it on. The Wii is great for casual games, nothing else.
....damn you to hell ted.... you pantie raider....
scratch that. im done making stupid for fun comments, hehehe.
scratch that. im done making stupid for fun comments, hehehe.
namelessted shut up. 2.what-the-fuck-ever million people can't be wrong when it comes to the Wii. Your comments do not make facts, their opinions.
I work in an office constucting million dollar condo's not writing nobel peace prizes and puliterz. Your no award winner yourself, so just SHUT UP.
You make indoor condos? That must be hard, and hot. Just like last night with your mom. OH!
BURN!
Nobel peace prizes aren't for writing either. Also, condos wouldn't have an apostrophe.
BURN!
Nobel peace prizes aren't for writing either. Also, condos wouldn't have an apostrophe.
fuck henry ford.
the wheel was nothing new at the time, and engine-powered-machines were nothing new either.
innovator, more like jackass.
the wheel was nothing new at the time, and engine-powered-machines were nothing new either.
innovator, more like jackass.
Grammar aside, what about the original topic? Weren't we talking about Nintendo or something? About how they aren't as good as all the fanboys say they are? About how the Wiimote isn't the best controller ever, and how the Nintendo online system is the worst thing since the Sega online attachment?
whoa, go gregor. nice article Ishaan. I definitely agree that since creating new amazing franchises has come to a creepy halt all of a sudden. i love the wii and the next year looks great EVENTUALLY. 2008 will be a disaster though. if not 2008 then surely 2009. after mario, metroid, and SSB brawl come out, the wii will turn exactly the route GameCube did - it will stop doing anything.
they'll continue promising the world but they just won't fulfill. there will b 3 games a year that go from being no name games to actually well known like Elite Beat Agents, but it will be right xmas and as soon as the next year comes each year we'll know there's a huge gap of games ahead. i reall hope im wrong but the GameCube left me bitter.
they'll continue promising the world but they just won't fulfill. there will b 3 games a year that go from being no name games to actually well known like Elite Beat Agents, but it will be right xmas and as soon as the next year comes each year we'll know there's a huge gap of games ahead. i reall hope im wrong but the GameCube left me bitter.
Excellent article as always and I don't think you need to fear any mad ravings when you put a balanced argument forward.
Anyway, for the sequels I feels it fair to mention that you tend to see a generation gap between each iteration, its hardly Call of Duty or EA Sports level of release a new version each year. Your list also emphasises that they do try and introduce one or two new franchises for each generation along with the favorites. Star Fox, Pikmin, Metroid (3D) etc. I feel that as they have expanded their franchises they've reached a point where its hard to keep everyone happy with a new version, I suspect Sunshine was a weaker title for this exact reason.
The rest I agree with. A more robust online system would be good, whatever the good intentions its not very usable as is. This is classic old school stubborn Nintendo and will hopfully follow the rest of the company in opening up a little.
Anyway, for the sequels I feels it fair to mention that you tend to see a generation gap between each iteration, its hardly Call of Duty or EA Sports level of release a new version each year. Your list also emphasises that they do try and introduce one or two new franchises for each generation along with the favorites. Star Fox, Pikmin, Metroid (3D) etc. I feel that as they have expanded their franchises they've reached a point where its hard to keep everyone happy with a new version, I suspect Sunshine was a weaker title for this exact reason.
The rest I agree with. A more robust online system would be good, whatever the good intentions its not very usable as is. This is classic old school stubborn Nintendo and will hopfully follow the rest of the company in opening up a little.
Once again, Isshan is the ace updater. Very well written editorial. I enjoyed reading about it and agree. Online gaming isn't something I really am crazy about, but Nintendo's system really just sucks. I understand they want to protect the kiddies, so maybe just have an option in the parental controls to allow certain users to only connect with people in the address books, and admin users can play against anyone.
Ouch. You got me. You must've had fun with my dead mom's corpse. Did you get all the way? Six feet under?? Well thats good.
Im not adding apastrophies for assholes. Its a new thing Im doing.
And if they had spell check on D'toid you guys wouldn't have shit to say, so STFU.
Im not adding apastrophies for assholes. Its a new thing Im doing.
And if they had spell check on D'toid you guys wouldn't have shit to say, so STFU.
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