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How Byronic: Tanya Byron's new show could be no friend of videogames photo

Dr. Tanya Byron, who won herself many admirers with her fair and even-handed Byron Report, will no doubt cause some of that admiration to be broken if her new TV show, Am I Normal? is anything to go by. The show, which visually compares videogame addiction to heroine addiction, provides Byron's view on what a hardcore videogame fan should be:

"Most of us think of games as the preserve of the teenager; young people escaping into a virtual world of fantasy. It’s an attractive but artificial world where they can give themselves a new identity and a status and power unobtainable in reality ... 

... Michelle Hart is not what you would imagine as a dedicated gamer. She’s an intelligent, 39-year old woman with a decent job and no history of psychological problems."

I'll admit I know a few dedicated gamers who are young, stupid, unemployable psychopaths, but Jesus. I thought we were trying to step away from such stereotypes, especially as Byron herself knows that the average gamer age is far older than the common belief, and that gamers come from all walks of life.

I haven't seen the show yet, as I don't watch TV, so I won't comment too much on the content, but the quotes seem somewhat at odds with Tanya's game-friendly appearances of late. She's sure to make a few people unhappy with calling World of Warcraft a "childish fantasy game," in any case.

As for the subject of videogame addiction itself, I must raise the point made by Naomi Alderman's brilliant opinion piece -- if Michelle Hart spent all her non-working hours reading a book, would she be labeled an addict or an enthusiast? If she watched television, or listened to music, or played tennis every hour of the day, would she have an addiction? Why is it that games have to be comparable to heroin, and not these things?








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Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 13:07
Eschatos
There is the possibility that the show would portray gamers as as far from a heroin addict as it's possible to get. Unlikely, but possible.
Qais Fulton's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 13:08
Qais Fulton
"Am I Normal?" Seriously?!

Perhaps Byron is simply seeking to step from relative obscurity and make herself more palatable to "normal" people with this change in opinion, videogames being a widely accepted scapegoat and all.
njsykora's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 13:09
njsykora
You weren't expecting her to change her opinion once she realised where the money was?
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 13:11
CelicaCrazed
I wonder what her price was?
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 13:15
Samit Sarkar
I’d hit it too, Jim. And then I’d hit it again...with a baseball bat. That’s what you get for forgoing integrity, Ms. Byron!

Seriously, though, this saddens me. I thought we’d found a pair of defenders of gaming in her and Naomi Alderman, but it appears that that’s not the case. Figures.
DrNutt's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 13:17
DrNutt
Well, normal games are not addictions, but I totally understand if she chooses to focus on WoW. WoW is a total scourge and an addictive menace, and it's not a game.
Rucksack's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 13:18
Rucksack
This reminds me of the old comic book scare here in America. It'll prove groundless and we will all look silly in 20 years.
ashaman771's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 13:25
ashaman771
Who are these people reading books all day?
Who are these people playing tenis all day?
Who are these people watching TV all day?

Do doing these have the same biological/dopamine effect on the human system as gaming and cocaine do?

Gaming can be an addiction, wether or not people pick on other forms of entertainment as possibly being addictive too is irrelevant.
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 13:26
wardrox
we were so close too. sigh
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 13:30
MechaMonkey
You forgot to include that her full name is Tanya "Judas" Byron.
Demtor's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 13:37
Demtor
God she has some awesome sex hair right there.

*shrug* My hobby has been scoffed at by most everyone other than my friends my entire life. I'm used to it by now. Another "expert" on TV telling me how my life is wasted doesn't bother me one bit. Bring it.
Baldheaded Monk's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 13:41
Baldheaded Monk
Wow. I'd give 'er a jump.
slapme7times's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 13:46
slapme7times
'I'll admit I know a few dedicated gamers who are young, stupid, unemployable psychopaths'

Funny you should mention it, it just so happens that all gamers I know fall into this category.
ScottyG's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 13:49
ScottyG
Heh, I'd guess that Byron saw everybody twisting her words around and just said "fuck it". :p

As for addiction, just about anything can be addicting. While murder for your social and professional life, video game addiction at least doesn't jeopardize your health (at least not directly) the way lots of other addictions do.
TheRemedy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 13:51
TheRemedy
I would politely ask her why she is such a tool.
Rainbowblack's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 13:56
Rainbowblack
Im an old (29) stupid employed psychopathic

but I've done just fine so far, its been 8 years since I wasted those fucking kids at columbine and made those two asshats take the blame
TheRemedy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 14:04
TheRemedy
@rainbowblack

Wow you really went there!
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 14:05
Excel-2011
I hate irrelevant comparisons to drugs and related addictions so maybe this show will have some merit to it after all.
GuitarAtomik's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 14:10
GuitarAtomik
In all honesty..........I would too.
Remo's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 14:21
Remo
Seen it, she only really focuses on WOW which is fine with me
I'm too scared to even try it in case i get hooked
Rainbowblack's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 14:30
Rainbowblack
Now WoW I can see a validargument being made about game addiction being a former FFXI and EQ-holic

As for gaming in general,,,psh
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 14:50
Sharpless
I would, times infinity. Jim, she is my Nicole Wiebe.

Can you honestly say that any part of that quote isn't true? Seriously, guys, and Jim in particular: Most people DO think of games as being the realm of kids and teenagers, and most people often DO think of gamers as being weird unemployed individuals. (I certainly don't disprove that.) Nothing in that quote slammed gamers at all, but simply addressed what the general public thinks of us. Let's not sensationalize this. We don't like that, remember?
Prezna Yurp's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 14:54
Prezna Yurp
So wait, let me get this straight. You got your information from a biased pro-gaming source who cherry-picked certain quotes from a show that you haven't seen? How byronic indeed.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 14:57
Jim Sterling
And this is why I didn't react to what she said, other than state that I think we should move away from the stereotype she gave up, when she herself knows it's not true.

But of course, everything I write has to be rawr rawr rawr and make everyone else go rawr rawr rawr.
GeminiEye's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 15:05
GeminiEye
How dare that bitch use my first name as her last. /Cry
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 15:48
king3vbo
In b4 people without avatars bitch at Jim O wait.
DryvBy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 16:01
DryvBy
I don't feel we should move away from stereotypes. Who cares what they think as long as you're having fun? I see these dumb post everywhere about how people look at gamers as lazy good for nothing serial... nah... cereal killers. So? Do they want a cookie? I like that a majority of the rich and powerful are scared of us. While they're crapping themselves, I'm enjoying fraggin' people and sleeping good at night.
unknown user's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 16:02
unknown user
once upon a time books were bad
then films were bad
now games are bad

mrs byron is simply an old woman that cannot accept changes in the society she lives in... many people are - like mrs byron - oldscool and live the old way of life (computers as entertainment systems or even to perform art on wtf?). i am curious to see the new medium which i cannot understan when i am old :). but for now we have to establish the crazy new way of a gamer life....
Logo's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 16:15
Logo
Not even relating to video games remotely:

The title of the show, "Am I normal?", makes me physically ill.
pewpewpew's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 16:30
pewpewpew
"Michelle Hart is not what you would imagine as a dedicated gamer. She’s an intelligent, 39-year old woman with a decent job and no history of psychological problems."

I'm afraid I fail to see what's so inflamatory about that remark. She's defusing stereotypes with that introduction by dissasociating them with her subject. It's a story telling device used to pull in the viewer. In this case, that viewer would not be your average gamer, and quite possibly does adhere to a stereotypical point of view. By gearing a programme to that audience, isn't Dr. Byron attempting to educate parents and the public in general about video games and the culture that surrounds it? I'm pretty sure that's exactly what she was getting at with her report.

Cut her some slack, guys. We need all the allies we can get, and jumping to conclusions about just such a person is exactly what people and the media do when they're out to undo us.

Hi, by the way. I came here because Joystiq is filled to the brim with 12 year olds who can't spell anything but "douche".
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 16:40
Gameboi
Not sure about her message, but she sure is purdy.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 18:21
Sharpless
I clicked on this post from my comment tracker page, just so I could look at her picture again. And I hadz a dirty thought. ^_^
drogaz1's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 18:31
drogaz1
Great and just when we thought we had ourselves a defender in the mainstream psychology business. Thanks Tanya, you traitorous sell-out bitch. And thanks Daily Mail and The Times for raping the wonderful message that this woman once stood for. I guess that guy/chick from the Guardian is the new mainstream defender of gaming along with Stephen King but people are not likely to take the words of a journalist or an author as serious as they would as psychologist or whatever Ph.d Tanya majored in.
uptonogood's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/16/2008 18:36
uptonogood
i came to make a snide comment about the idiocy of the post but instead left with a hard-on for whoever's in that picture.
Axle's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/17/2008 05:18
Axle
WHERE EXACTLY DID THE BLURB SAY "CHILDISH FANTASY????"

Jim: you're talking bollocks again. Go to the bottom of the class for your crass reconstruction of the truth.
Axle's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/17/2008 05:18
Axle
WHERE EXACTLY DID THE BLURB SAY "CHILDISH FANTASY????"

Jim: you're talking bollocks again. Go to the bottom of the class for your crass reconstruction of the truth.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/17/2008 07:15
Jim Sterling
Axle:

"It might seem ludicrous to compare a childish computer fantasy game with hard drug addiction."


You may kindly STFU now.
Axle's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/17/2008 07:33
Axle
I flamed, you responded. You will only retort when you can ram it down everybody's throats, you will not enter into objective or balanced discussion on the matter. You've carved a niche and you intellectually wank into it with no regard for opening the debate.

Your wanton disregard for fact/balanced argument means that you are nothing more than Destructoid's mirror of Fox News and you are the most hateful, embittered Internet Tough Guy I've ever come across.

TWAT.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/17/2008 08:02
Jim Sterling
I have objective and balanced discussions all the time. Just not with you because, in your own words:

"I flamed"

So, you have nothing of worth to say and I am finished talking to you. Bye bye.
pewpewpew's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/17/2008 09:08
pewpewpew
"It might seem ludicrous to compare a childish computer fantasy game with hard drug addiction."

Again, this statement is used to grab the viewer who may actually hold that view as true. It preps viewers for the possibility that maybe, juuuuust maybe not everything they deem completely without harm is so. There's nothing wrong with that. It's part of the discussion that we'd like to see come to light. After all, dismissal of any possible ill effect is what leads to parents purchasing M rated games for their 9 year olds after all. Isn't that kind of parenting the kind of thing we're always talking about combating? Good on her if you ask me.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/17/2008 10:17
Holyetheline
videogames > drugs... ALWAYS
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/20/2008 04:56
Bob Muir
So...let's go into this with cautious optimism, right?
phoenix5010's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/13/2008 07:23
phoenix5010
Umm If you watched the programme i think you missed the point, Tanya wasnt labelling the Video game industry as bad or that it should be banned, she was saying that the addiction derives the same way other addicitons do. I thought the overal conclusion was that addicion is something to consider giving a label too. Some people actually do concsider themselves to have an addiction or compulsion to video games and if you look into her report about the video games industry she is in full support of them and is only wanting to do something about parents not buying there young children 18 rating games!
my opinion anyways
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