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They should do what EA did with Bad Company 2 which is have a code that allows you to access future DLC for free
Silly shit. This isn't affecting me and my games yet but I am fearful for the future, especially since I almost always go for the cheapest means of acquiring games.
If I were to buy this used (it's not even on my radar to buy at the moment)
Going up to level 5 would be just about all I need. Mainly interested in the SP even for games where the main selling point is MP.
I just can't waste so much time with MP when so many other games need to be played
Going up to level 5 would be just about all I need. Mainly interested in the SP even for games where the main selling point is MP.
I just can't waste so much time with MP when so many other games need to be played
I agree with John up there, rather than remove things from the game for preowned purchasers they should add things to the game that will make people want to buy the game brand new.
this ain't that bad just wait for the consoles to get the pc drm to effectively ending all second handed sales especially those of online focused games
These Online tokens, are going to passively show the consumer what games have a lacking Single Player. I miss when a company cared about SP to sell the product. :/
This would be resolved if preowned sales included money for the manufacturer. They don't see a dime of it and places like gamestop make a very large profit from these sales.
Moar Carrots. Less Sticks plz OKTHXBAI.
Seriously someone above me said it already. ADD SHIT for new purchases, even if it's just different modes on different maps. Don't take shit away for used gamers.
Hell if you take something away make it something silly like certain modes on certain maps.
How many people still play UFC2011 online???
i doubt it's many.
How many people still play Bad Company 2 online?
plenty.
Way to kill a games userbase. (sure one is a great game and one is mediocre, but still, you lose an online player almost everytime a game is traded in with these sytems.
(this is actually the one bonus about paying for LIVE, I bought Medal of Honor, which has a code for online play system, used. But apparently the person who had it before me didn't have a LIVE subscription! WIN)
Seriously someone above me said it already. ADD SHIT for new purchases, even if it's just different modes on different maps. Don't take shit away for used gamers.
Hell if you take something away make it something silly like certain modes on certain maps.
How many people still play UFC2011 online???
i doubt it's many.
How many people still play Bad Company 2 online?
plenty.
Way to kill a games userbase. (sure one is a great game and one is mediocre, but still, you lose an online player almost everytime a game is traded in with these sytems.
(this is actually the one bonus about paying for LIVE, I bought Medal of Honor, which has a code for online play system, used. But apparently the person who had it before me didn't have a LIVE subscription! WIN)
Totally agree with Bryzon. If devs got part of the profits from used games, none of this would be necessary.
Also, for those of you talking about adding stuff for new purchasers rather than taking it away for used - you do realize it's the exact same thing, right? Either way, people who buy new are getting parts of the game that people who buy used aren't getting. It's just a matter of how it's presented to the consumer. For THQ, they could have said, "The game only has 5 levels in multiplayer, but if you buy it new, we'll add 70 more levels for you!" Or for EA, they could've presented it as, "These maps are only available to people who buy the game new. If you bought it used, we're disabling these maps for you." It's the same thing, just presented differently.
Also, for those of you talking about adding stuff for new purchasers rather than taking it away for used - you do realize it's the exact same thing, right? Either way, people who buy new are getting parts of the game that people who buy used aren't getting. It's just a matter of how it's presented to the consumer. For THQ, they could have said, "The game only has 5 levels in multiplayer, but if you buy it new, we'll add 70 more levels for you!" Or for EA, they could've presented it as, "These maps are only available to people who buy the game new. If you bought it used, we're disabling these maps for you." It's the same thing, just presented differently.
Punishment for buying used copies...how imaginative.not too concerned as I have no interest in this game,but as others have stated,don't want this trend to worsen.I actually got the cerebus code card in my used copy of mass effect 2. Guess the prior owner wasn't really interested
yea unfortunately, the Author is HUGELY mistaken.
i suggest learning why companies do this.
1) Gamestop is lying out their asses. i trade in games all the time, so do my friends, and RARELY will we use trade ins for new games.
2) the Company gets 0...yes ZERO profit from used games. Gamestop makes BANK.
(they will usually buy a "new" game for $23-$25, then sell it off for $54...a 100% price increase)...guess what? the devs get NOTHING of that.
usually when you buy a new game, the dev gets about $27ish dollars per $60 buy...used games, they see 0.
i suggest learning why companies do this.
1) Gamestop is lying out their asses. i trade in games all the time, so do my friends, and RARELY will we use trade ins for new games.
2) the Company gets 0...yes ZERO profit from used games. Gamestop makes BANK.
(they will usually buy a "new" game for $23-$25, then sell it off for $54...a 100% price increase)...guess what? the devs get NOTHING of that.
usually when you buy a new game, the dev gets about $27ish dollars per $60 buy...used games, they see 0.
I think that this is going to end up backfiring eventually, think about it. Gamestop is going to get enough customer complaints from pre-owned buyers at $55 that they'll just start docking the $10 or whatever off of the used price, as well as adjusting trade in credit for these games, since they make less. Now, right after these games come out, you'll see it sitting there new for $60 or used for $45. And what do you think the average person will want to pay? $45. It's still in gamestop's best interest to get you to buy it at that price, since they still make more on used than new, but now the publisher is gambling their money- not a lot of people are going to shell out after that, they are going to take it as a lesson not to buy from that company again. So they just sold more used games for gamestop, and hurt future titles in a franchise.
Granted, I could be wrong and maybe the average person would love to pay extra, but I doubt every used sale will turn into an online pass sale. The cost in terms of consumer good will seems pretty hefty.
Granted, I could be wrong and maybe the average person would love to pay extra, but I doubt every used sale will turn into an online pass sale. The cost in terms of consumer good will seems pretty hefty.
Goozex! Thats a great way to keep costs down and not be bothered by the 10 dollar cover.
On the other hand I think 10 dollars is a little much to ask. I have to agree in saying that BC2 model is a little better. Don't take away the core game if you purchase it second hand. If your game is good enough people will want to buy the upgrade to get all the DLC. I also feel like this isnt a big deal if the game can stand on its SP alone. The SP is all I really care about.
On the other hand I think 10 dollars is a little much to ask. I have to agree in saying that BC2 model is a little better. Don't take away the core game if you purchase it second hand. If your game is good enough people will want to buy the upgrade to get all the DLC. I also feel like this isnt a big deal if the game can stand on its SP alone. The SP is all I really care about.
i just to play it for the story.
but i know it will be one of those "to be continued" bullshits game endings.
still, only want to play it for the story.
but i know it will be one of those "to be continued" bullshits game endings.
still, only want to play it for the story.
This game just looks like Fox News wet dream. I don't know why but it does and it bothers me.
And the online code thing too. That's just a whole new kind of evil right there. People are buy the game used because it's a new IP and they don't wanna pay $60 for something they're uncertain of, see that online code bullshit, take out the disc, and play any other of the kabillion online shooters they have right in their homes.
When there's nothing that's really unique or there's no incentive why the hell would anyone pay to play online? It's just another shooter. Big whoop. If it was like the MAG of 360 or some other giant shooter with a unique featureset all it's own people might spring for it but it's not. In the end the developers and publishers lose out. The consumer still has a bevy of choices and alternatives to get his or her fix, most likely already in their homes even. You're competing with games you have to assume your audience already owns and you don't do that by putting up a gate around the feature that'll most likely keep them a fan until the inevitable sequel.
And the online code thing too. That's just a whole new kind of evil right there. People are buy the game used because it's a new IP and they don't wanna pay $60 for something they're uncertain of, see that online code bullshit, take out the disc, and play any other of the kabillion online shooters they have right in their homes.
When there's nothing that's really unique or there's no incentive why the hell would anyone pay to play online? It's just another shooter. Big whoop. If it was like the MAG of 360 or some other giant shooter with a unique featureset all it's own people might spring for it but it's not. In the end the developers and publishers lose out. The consumer still has a bevy of choices and alternatives to get his or her fix, most likely already in their homes even. You're competing with games you have to assume your audience already owns and you don't do that by putting up a gate around the feature that'll most likely keep them a fan until the inevitable sequel.
all you people using the argument that the devs get no money from used sales:
does toyota get money from used car sales?
do book publishers get money from used book stores?
Does the construction company who built your house get money when you sell it in 20 years?
the answer to all these questions..... NO. that's not how the world works, games aren't special.
does toyota get money from used car sales?
do book publishers get money from used book stores?
Does the construction company who built your house get money when you sell it in 20 years?
the answer to all these questions..... NO. that's not how the world works, games aren't special.
if my friend comes over and wants to play the game, should i send THQ a check in advance or will they send me a Customer Pimp errr Service Rep to collect the dues themselves. I need to know because i hate to be out of compliance.
@Draxxlith
I think you are half right. Some people will be upset with the publisher for this extra 10 dollar charge. Then others will see gamestop as the problem for not informing the customer of any extra charges after purchasing the game. I think it might turn out that half are now convinced to never buy from gamestop or to only purchase new. Then the other half will punish the developer. I think the latter will apply to informed gamers. The earlier will apply to the general consumer that doesnt care who made the game.
I think you are half right. Some people will be upset with the publisher for this extra 10 dollar charge. Then others will see gamestop as the problem for not informing the customer of any extra charges after purchasing the game. I think it might turn out that half are now convinced to never buy from gamestop or to only purchase new. Then the other half will punish the developer. I think the latter will apply to informed gamers. The earlier will apply to the general consumer that doesnt care who made the game.
i bought a new game from EA, the sims 3, that was supposed to have an online pass included in the box. it wasn't. i contacted ea about the problem and gave them a copy of my receipt. they said they were 'out of codes' and would give me one when they got more. that was over 2 months ago. thanks for hanging me out to dry EA. any game supporting online codes i have to seriously consider if it's worth the trouble.
@Nathan Barbossa
*sigh*
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Used game sales prop up new sales. You can't really argue this.
-Guy A buys Vanquish for $59.99 new. He plays it, and then decides he's going to buy something else, so he returns the game for a $30 credit. His total contribution to the cost of the new game is effectively only $29.99.
-Guy B then buys the used copy of Vanquish Guy A sold to Gamestop for $49.99. His contribution towards the cost of the new game game is $30, with Gamestop pocketing an extra $19.99.
Yes, Gamestop makes money on that sale. They don't make money on the used games they purchase for $30 credit and then have to reduce to $15. You can argue all you like about how used games are bad, used game ruin the industry, but it's up to the developer to make sure the customer doesn't WANT to trade the game they just bought back in quickly enough that it cannibalizes their sales.
If there are dozens of used copies of a game on the shelf within a week of launch, the developer FUCKED UP, plain and simple.
Also, what Draxxlith said. It'll reduce the trade-in value of the used games, which means less people buying new games. Simple, really.
*sigh*
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Used game sales prop up new sales. You can't really argue this.
-Guy A buys Vanquish for $59.99 new. He plays it, and then decides he's going to buy something else, so he returns the game for a $30 credit. His total contribution to the cost of the new game is effectively only $29.99.
-Guy B then buys the used copy of Vanquish Guy A sold to Gamestop for $49.99. His contribution towards the cost of the new game game is $30, with Gamestop pocketing an extra $19.99.
Yes, Gamestop makes money on that sale. They don't make money on the used games they purchase for $30 credit and then have to reduce to $15. You can argue all you like about how used games are bad, used game ruin the industry, but it's up to the developer to make sure the customer doesn't WANT to trade the game they just bought back in quickly enough that it cannibalizes their sales.
If there are dozens of used copies of a game on the shelf within a week of launch, the developer FUCKED UP, plain and simple.
Also, what Draxxlith said. It'll reduce the trade-in value of the used games, which means less people buying new games. Simple, really.
@JFunk
You make a very good point, but I think half being turned away from gamestop may be a bit much, because you have to keep in mind that they will likely go back to complain, and gamestop can return the used game, and explain that it was that evil company. The publisher doesn't get a say, and so can be made to look like (more) of a bad guy. That said, yes, there will be some turned off of buying used games, but I don't think it will be enough for the publisher to justify these tactics in the long run
You make a very good point, but I think half being turned away from gamestop may be a bit much, because you have to keep in mind that they will likely go back to complain, and gamestop can return the used game, and explain that it was that evil company. The publisher doesn't get a say, and so can be made to look like (more) of a bad guy. That said, yes, there will be some turned off of buying used games, but I don't think it will be enough for the publisher to justify these tactics in the long run
@JohnApocalypse
No, they should NOT do what EA did with Bad Company 2 which was keep ~10 maps/modes locked away for all customers until they found time fit to unlock it.
I was going to buy this game until THQ decided to be stupid.
No, they should NOT do what EA did with Bad Company 2 which was keep ~10 maps/modes locked away for all customers until they found time fit to unlock it.
I was going to buy this game until THQ decided to be stupid.
I still don't see why everyone is up in arms about this. There is absolutely no penalty if you simply buy a game new. If you can't afford games at the $60 price point (which they have been at for how long now?), then spend less and buy/rent the used copy. At least this time around you get to try out the multiplayer first, and if you like the game enough, spring for the pass. Also, people need to stop comparing the used video game market to other markets because it is not the same at all (as in, who buys a movie/book/car/etc. new, and then trades it in for less than half its value after a week of owning it (where retailers like gamestop make huge profits reselling your item for like-new prices)? Very few...)
How about this THQ, start punishing Gamestop and not the consumer.
I am sick of hearing all this used games shit from companies, then they turn around and give Gamestop all kinds of preorder bonuses for games exclusive to them. It's bullshit that they get perks and we get shafted!
I am sick of hearing all this used games shit from companies, then they turn around and give Gamestop all kinds of preorder bonuses for games exclusive to them. It's bullshit that they get perks and we get shafted!
@Volcanon
So, you don't see anything wrong with a game that you bought new for $60 and doesn't keep your attention long enough to not be traded in?
Basically, we should stop voting with our wallets? Sorry, no. I don't trade games in, but I feel no pity for developers who can't make a game that's engaging enough to avoid being traded back in in significant numbers within two weeks of launch. No pity at all. If your piece of entertainment can't entertain me for more than a couple hours at full MSRP, what good is it?
So, you don't see anything wrong with a game that you bought new for $60 and doesn't keep your attention long enough to not be traded in?
Basically, we should stop voting with our wallets? Sorry, no. I don't trade games in, but I feel no pity for developers who can't make a game that's engaging enough to avoid being traded back in in significant numbers within two weeks of launch. No pity at all. If your piece of entertainment can't entertain me for more than a couple hours at full MSRP, what good is it?
I think used cars should come with a free manufacturer refurbishing to make them function identically to a new model. This makes sense because buying used should entitle you to everything that someone who purchased the product new gets.
There is a good chance that this is a bad idea for this new IP, it's likely going to hurt the bottom line. This removes a ton of potential players who borrowed the game, or rented it. They will never be able to play online. Which in turn will mean less players playing online, which basically will mean in 3months it's doubtful anyone will be playing this online, as well as this game sitting in used bins for 20 dollars.
It's really disappointing to me, as this game looks really good. Giving us something extra is one thing, but this idea of online pass is BS.
It's really disappointing to me, as this game looks really good. Giving us something extra is one thing, but this idea of online pass is BS.
I have an idea. How about all new copies sell for $50 with SP only and you pay $10 to "unlock online play". That's something I can get my head around, and everyone wins.
Doesn't bother me much since I had already planed on buying this new. My problem is this crap landing on renters(I use gamefly),if I'm renting the game then I should be aloud to play it without having to pay for it. Didn't both with the last UFC because of this.
Maybe Gamestop should sell used new games for $50 instead of $55, and when they go to buy the code, it just makes it the price of a new copy?
What krozall said makes sense.
Another option would be: No restrictions, no extras.. Original owners of the game could pay half the price for future DLC. How about that?
Another option would be: No restrictions, no extras.. Original owners of the game could pay half the price for future DLC. How about that?
@meteorscrap
I personally usually rent games through Gamefly before buying them, as I don't have the money to buy every game I want. If I did buy the game new however and didn't like it, and Gamestop wouldn't take it because they banned (or significantly reduced the value of) trade-ins of games with a content pass, then I would re-evaluate my spending habits. I would not hate on publishers because of that.
And what about the PC version? You won't be able to trade that in at all. The entire PC market must have you completely up in arms, having to pay full price for a game...the nerve of them.
I personally usually rent games through Gamefly before buying them, as I don't have the money to buy every game I want. If I did buy the game new however and didn't like it, and Gamestop wouldn't take it because they banned (or significantly reduced the value of) trade-ins of games with a content pass, then I would re-evaluate my spending habits. I would not hate on publishers because of that.
And what about the PC version? You won't be able to trade that in at all. The entire PC market must have you completely up in arms, having to pay full price for a game...the nerve of them.
To people saying why cars aren't getting something like this:
Last time I checked, cars didnt take additional money to maintain from the seller once its sold. That's why these things are being made for the ONLINE portions of the games. Cause it costs money from the Publisher's end to support the online features, and people who buy used games contribute NOTHING to them.
Last time I checked, cars didnt take additional money to maintain from the seller once its sold. That's why these things are being made for the ONLINE portions of the games. Cause it costs money from the Publisher's end to support the online features, and people who buy used games contribute NOTHING to them.
Cry sum moar bebies!
Don't even compare the used game business to cars, that's fucking ridiculous. You are talking about intellectual property or information VS a physical product. Apples to oranges. Books are closer to the mark, and while yes you can trade a paper copy... what about Kindle, iBooks, etc..? Can you trade those copies? Absolutely not. Can you trade your copy of windows? Absolutely not. Can you trade a Steam game? Absolutely not.
Gamestop's PR machine tells you that the game trade business drives sales of new games, which is absolute bullshit, and you agree because your not able to work the system like you have been able to in previous years. People who trade in games buy more used games. Plain and simple. Publishers and developers only make money from the original sale of the game, each additional sale of that disc is pure profit for Gamestop and them alone. Why should Gamestop be making the majority of the money from a product when they are just a retailer? They shouldn't. You all better get used to it because it's not going to change... and that's why Gamestop is likely shitting themselves right now.
Don't even compare the used game business to cars, that's fucking ridiculous. You are talking about intellectual property or information VS a physical product. Apples to oranges. Books are closer to the mark, and while yes you can trade a paper copy... what about Kindle, iBooks, etc..? Can you trade those copies? Absolutely not. Can you trade your copy of windows? Absolutely not. Can you trade a Steam game? Absolutely not.
Gamestop's PR machine tells you that the game trade business drives sales of new games, which is absolute bullshit, and you agree because your not able to work the system like you have been able to in previous years. People who trade in games buy more used games. Plain and simple. Publishers and developers only make money from the original sale of the game, each additional sale of that disc is pure profit for Gamestop and them alone. Why should Gamestop be making the majority of the money from a product when they are just a retailer? They shouldn't. You all better get used to it because it's not going to change... and that's why Gamestop is likely shitting themselves right now.
I might care about this if I were planning to buy Homefront on console.
Dedicated servers + multiplayer + FPS + multiplatform means PC for me.
Dedicated servers + multiplayer + FPS + multiplatform means PC for me.
PC games have had one-use CD keys forever, and they can't be traded back at all. Where is all the rage?
You can't rent a PC game, and you can't lend it to a friend if your key is already in use.
Also, they are not banning MP with this 'pass', just putting on a limit. If you're renting it, then play it up to level 5 - if you want to keep going then maybe it should be a 'buy'.
You can't rent a PC game, and you can't lend it to a friend if your key is already in use.
Also, they are not banning MP with this 'pass', just putting on a limit. If you're renting it, then play it up to level 5 - if you want to keep going then maybe it should be a 'buy'.
Well, I discussed about this issue long time ago, with SexualChoc if I remember right, about the userbase going smaller and all that stuff. I will say with one word where all this leads, at least for me: PIRACY. If you prevent me to enjoy your full game in the used copies marketplace and the renting system, don't ever think I'm going to play with your rules. That's what I call backfiring...
This may hurt retailers, but this will not hurt the game industry overall. The less money a gamer has to spend on new or used titles simply means the more competition publishers/developers will have with each other to make sure their game is the one we choose to purchase. This means better quality games versus the quantity over quality shit we've been getting for awhile now.
Do you really think we'd be seeing so many issues with the CoD series if they didn't have a 2 year dev cycle? We wouldn't have "host ignorance" and even worse latency because of using tweaked and outdated game engines. They would have the time and resources to rebuild from the ground up something better.
The REAL thing that hurts the game industry is all of the fanboys publishers love because it means their game will be a success on "day 1" when no one's even played the game yet enough to have more than a first impression. Fanboys and pre-order bonuses causing the majority of games being purchased day 1 because of hype and the simple "hope" that we'll start getting better sequels to our revolutionary favorites (been downhill since CoD4 in the CoD series) have allowed publishers to give the community quantity versus quality. THAT is what needs to stop.
Do you really think we'd be seeing so many issues with the CoD series if they didn't have a 2 year dev cycle? We wouldn't have "host ignorance" and even worse latency because of using tweaked and outdated game engines. They would have the time and resources to rebuild from the ground up something better.
The REAL thing that hurts the game industry is all of the fanboys publishers love because it means their game will be a success on "day 1" when no one's even played the game yet enough to have more than a first impression. Fanboys and pre-order bonuses causing the majority of games being purchased day 1 because of hype and the simple "hope" that we'll start getting better sequels to our revolutionary favorites (been downhill since CoD4 in the CoD series) have allowed publishers to give the community quantity versus quality. THAT is what needs to stop.
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