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Ninja Theory may have been able to snag Hollywood-caliber talent for Enslaved (including writer Alex Garland and Ten Things I Hate About You actress Lindsay Shaw as Trip), but that’s where the Hollywood connection ends.

When Ninja Theory pitched the idea of an Enslaved computer-generated movie, rendered using the Unreal Engine 3 (which powers the game), Hollywood studios simply weren’t interested.

“We actually really went for that,” Ninja Theory’s Tameem Antoniades says of the film, which co-founder Nina Kristensen mentioned back in 2008, before Enslaved was announced as the project. “We were serious about it. We went to all the big studios in Hollywood and pitched the idea.”

As Antoniades put it, the studios simply couldn’t understand the concept of rendering the movie’s scenes in real time.

“They have no idea of what real time means,” he explains. “They just care about how good it looks.”

“Then, the fact that you say you can do this for cheap has no interest to studios whatsoever,” he continues, “because they don’t want to do it for cheap. They want Pixar and the other higher end [studios] to do it for 100 million dollars or 60 million dollars.”

“To do it any other way is considered a huge risk, so it just didn’t wash,” he says. “It just didn’t go with the model that’s established in movies.”

Don’t expect Ninja Theory to be releasing an Enslaved film anytime soon though, even as a bonus feature. The idea from the start was always to do it with high profile support and the budget to back it.

“It’s hard enough doing a new IP from scratch, and doing it in an industry you’re not familiar with with no supporters, it’s too much.”

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AceFlibble's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 17:06
AceFlibble
As much as I love the style and presentation of Enslaved, I don't think doing a whole feature-length film using the regular graphics would have been a good idea. I do actually think Enslaved features the best facial animation I have ever seen, including big-budget CGI movies, but good animation alone isn't enough. If you're expecting people to sit down and do nothing but watch for an hour and a half or more then you really need those big-budget, Pixar-quality graphics.

In terms of the plot and the script though, I can certainly see Enslaved being a film. The animation, script and quality of the voice acting already makes it more "acted" rather than "animated".
MyLittleHero's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 17:08
MyLittleHero
I played the demo on PSN, and it sucked! A nice art style can only get you so far.
Klarden's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 17:11
Klarden
UE3 for a CGI movie? Were they joking?:)
SayWord's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 17:13
SayWord
Mylittlehero the game didn't suck, maybe you didn't like it which means it does not rule out others opinions, certainly one as failed as yours.
Max-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 17:15
Max-
I kinda like this idea using the game engine to make a movie, like an advanced real-time machinima with snazzier post-processing and such, however I think it'd be so much better if they did it using something like uncharted 2's engine instead of UE3, then I think it could possibly have a much better chance at getting greenlit
Davidfoundation's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 17:17
Davidfoundation
I personally likes it alot
Sæglópur's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 17:29
Sæglópur
The demo was amazing. Anyone who thinks "it sucks" or anything along those lines, obviously can't judge anything properly. Please, go to the nearest door and slam your head against it until you come back from your own retardation, folks.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 17:37
mix
The demo was fun but the camera was over sensitive.

The gameplay reminded me of a faster paced Uncharted.
Primo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 17:56
Primo
I havent had a chance to check out the demo yet.. how does it compare to heavenly sword?
LittleBigD's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 18:10
LittleBigD
I liked it, I think I'm going to buy it, but it was no God of War 3. Especially in the gameplay dept. Not that it was bad. Better than Heavenly Sword. Just not as tight as a lot of other action titles.

The graphics might not look as clean as Heavenly Sword, the demo still had the same great cinematic feel they produced in HS. That's what really has me sold on the game. A movie created using the game engine would probably be a great bonus feature.
fulldamage's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 18:10
fulldamage
Yeah, sadly, that's the state of things in Hollywood. To be fair, even though Ninja Theory does some fantastic motion capture work, at the end of the day, that approach wouldn't really cut the mustard when compared to a Pixar-level effort.

But the advantage is - it's cheap compared to traditional animation! I think straight to Hollywood is actually "doing it wrong," in this case. If they're serious about using their technology in this way, then they should start by using it to make some original shorts and content of their own, and spreading it around the internet.

If they can do it this way, and prove that they can tell good stories that are worth watching on their own merits, all in realtime, then they'll get popular, and when the buzz is big enough, THEN maybe your Hollywood studios will begin to take notice.
Henry_Swanson's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 18:22
Henry_Swanson
Maybe they don't realize that very few people will take you seriously if you are using the Unreal engine. By the way, nice screen-tearing in the demo, which is par for the course when using the Unreal engine.
Enzi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 18:25
Enzi
But they do have a point here. We have all sorts of weird animation. Be it animes, western cartoons, movies like sin city or a scanner darkly. Many think that a very high budget for all these fancy actors and actress isn't needed to actually just tell a fucking story that is both good and visually appealing. Sin city is appealing even though it's just black and white and just has some colored shots. Bugs Bunny was hilarious as hell and I didn't mind that the scenary wasn't incredibly detailed as in Avatar.

Realtime graphics are nearly on par with being as good as CGI graphics. The animations in Starcraft2 were amazingly detailed and rendered beautifully!

And to those who are laughing about the Unreal Engine. I guess you don't know what this engine is really capable of. It all comes down to the lighting engine in renderers and since the Unreal has Lightmass they have a really good Global Illumination system. Yes, it doesn't look as good as Pixar's Renderman but it does the job quite decently and you get all sorts of Ambient Occlusion and even Light Bleeding.

Realtime graphics can be watched on the big screen but I guess Studios are too afraid of doing it. Let's fund some sequels and if we run out with that we make prequels. No time for innovation.

Watch some damn machinimas and then decide!
Sæglópur's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 18:35
Sæglópur
@LittleBigD

Two completely different games. And God of War 3 sucked. Horrible story, shitty combat, etc. At least the game looked good. It made some people drop their jaws when they saw it on my HD set. However, watching the story chunks and playing it gave the feeling of deja vu, but it was like a shittier version of the first two games. Chains of Olympus is still the best.
Lord The Night Knight's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 18:54
Lord The Night Knight
Doing it for cheap is bad? Did Hollywood turn into third party developers against the Wii?
LittleBigD's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 19:03
LittleBigD
@Raiden Fan
Two completely different games??? You know we're talking about the Enslaved demo right???

If you can't see the similarities between these God of War and Enslaved I have to question whether or not you've ever played a game of this type in your life.
Gol-D-Roger's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 19:03
Gol-D-Roger
@RaidenFan: "Anyone who thinks "it sucks" or anything along those lines, obviously can't judge anything properly. Please, go to the nearest door and slam your head against it until you come back from your own retardation, folks."

That coming from the man that thinks GOW3 sucked? lol.
eduh's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 19:04
eduh
i dont understand what is the point of being able to render the film in real time when it comes to cinema...

was it supposed to be interactive or something like that?
LittleBigD's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 19:04
LittleBigD
@Gold-D-Roger
Preach on brother.
Domii's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 19:14
Domii
@Raiden Fan
if you think God of War 3 sucked then you should bang your head not in a door but in a cement floor.Gow3 has set the standards for all action/adventure games even destructoid said it in their review.

As far as Enslaved goes i was very disappointed by the demo it felt like a washed up version of Uncharted2 and GoW3 but then again maybe ill change my mind after i see some reviews but in till then Vanquish is the game I'm planning on buying for sure next month.
ScrappyDoo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 19:18
ScrappyDoo
"Ninja Theory may have been able to snag Hollywood-caliber talent for Enslaved (including writer Alex Garland and Ten Things I Hate About You actress Lindsay Shaw as Trip), but that’s where the Hollywood connection ends."

Except for them having Andy Serkis play Monkey, which, you know, is kind of a nice big connection.

And I'd much rather they did just make a movie, since they're so hung up on the fucking story to attempt to make competent, fun gameplay.
ScrappyDoo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 19:20
ScrappyDoo
The gameplay in the demo was absolute shallow crap, and it doesn't even look very good.
Primo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 19:38
Primo
That's cool that the gameplay feels better than HS and if it has that same cinematic quality then I'm definitely sold.
Primo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 19:42
Primo
@RaidenFan

Just out of curiousity, why do you consider Chains of Olympus the best one?

It's my favorite PSP game but I don't think I could say it's the best of the series was just wondering.
MetalGod's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 19:50
MetalGod
Actually GoW3 did suck. It was the same recycled story with the same recycled gameplay running on an updated graphics engine.
LittleBigD's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 20:02
LittleBigD
@MetalGod
Yeah sequels have a funny way of having the same gameplay as the previous games. What were those crazy bastards thinking with the whole continuing of a storyline throughout the entire trilogy too???
Gol-D-Roger's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 20:27
Gol-D-Roger
( judging from the demo )

Are these really the same guys we're supposed to trust with Gameplay of DMC.

That and their Love Affair with UE3.

Things don't look good.
Gee-Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 20:38
Gee-Man
I seriously have no idea what you people are talking about when concerning the gameplay. I thought it was great, but I suppose those of you who hated it probably had that mindset from the very beginning anyway. In the meantime, I'll be playing the absolutely gorgeous green-apocalypse game based on one of the best pieces of classical literature ever created.
LittleBigD's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 20:53
LittleBigD
@Gol-D-Roger
I can't help buy think the same thing my friend. It's not that I hated the way this game played, but it's not up to par with the original DMC games.
Sæglópur's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 21:09
Sæglópur
God of War 3 sucked.

Enslaved doesn't suck.

Fact.

Also, they have no comparisons. The combat and platforming suck in God of War 3, so it's best not to compare it to better games. Bayonetta slapped Kratos' bitch ass back to Hades.
Sæglópur's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 21:10
Sæglópur
@MetalGod

Truth spoken. Amen brotha, amen.
Gol-D-Roger's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 21:22
Gol-D-Roger
@LittleBigD: My thoughts exactly.

I loved heavenly sword and that's why i'm buying Enslaved.

But the gameplay in HS and enslaved ( DEMO ), is lacking compared to GOW, which in turn is lacking compared to DMC.

so I don't know we'll see.
Gol-D-Roger's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 21:37
Gol-D-Roger
@RaidenFan

Look up the word FACT, it might surprise you.

Also, Realize that your opinion, is just that an OPINION.

FACT.
Sæglópur's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 21:42
Sæglópur
@Gol-D-Roger

You don't capitalize "realize" after a comma.

Fact.
Magog's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 21:49
Magog
Back to the vesti with you.
brownpig's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 22:28
brownpig
God of War 3 is great. Enslaved looks great so far. You guys are hard to please.

I can't believe they thought they could make a feature film using the Unreal Engine.
Henry_Swanson's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 23:01
Henry_Swanson
UE3 = screen-tearing and framerate drops. If you want to be taken seriously you must have proprietary tech. I still liked the demo but was severely disappointed that they used UE3, I changed my pre-order to Castlevania.
otogi_guy's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 23:26
otogi_guy
you guys are lackies for backing Hollywood on this argument. Lets green light another talking animals cgi movie!

"i dont understand what is the point of being able to render the film in real time when it comes to cinema...was it supposed to be interactive or something like that?"
using the engine in real time means they wont have to animate each frame individually. This cutting time and cost. It will not be interactive, but is still the same engine used to play the game.

If anyone hasnt noticed, but Pixar is basically become what gamers like to complain about with constant sequels/no originality. It is pretty bad to see comments like "R U serious Unreal Engine!?"

Graphics > Gameplay and in this case Graphics > Story
LittleBigD's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 23:34
LittleBigD
@RaidenFan
Fact....you're a putz. I would confidently that you haven't played Bayonetta either. There are more climbing and platforming elements in the demos for either Enslaved, or GOW3 than there are in the entirety of Bayonetta.
LittleBigD's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2010 23:40
LittleBigD
Ahhh shit...."confidently bet" was what that was supposed to come out as. Now I look as dumb as a guy claiming the platforming in Bayonetta is better than the platforming in God of War.
Gol-D-Roger's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2010 00:34
Gol-D-Roger
@RaidenFan: Auto correcting phones whatcha ganna do?

Also, way to sidestep everything.

Stay classy. Friend
Sir Legendhead's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2010 02:50
Sir Legendhead
Can't say I blame them.
MisterFox's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2010 03:02
MisterFox
Do we really need a god damn movie of this? It looks fun as a game (I have yet to try the demo), why would we need any more than this? I know I'm being a nostalgia-jerk here, but remember the good ol' days were just played games and loved them and enjoyed them and that's that? Just come up with original movies, damn it. It's hard, sure, but it's worth it. Don't need to see a game I've played already as a movie.

i mad.
ralphster's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2010 03:28
ralphster
...the fuck is going on?
MetalGod's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2010 03:43
MetalGod
@LittleBigD

It's one thing for a sequel to have the same gameplay elements and expand on them or improve them and another to have the exact same gameplay/combos/animations/whatever for four freakin' games.

And also the story didn't actually develop. The 2nd and 3rd games practically had the same story.
TheGlue29's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2010 07:34
TheGlue29
Their problem is that they probably pitched it to people who had already played Heavenly Sword...who in turn thought that NT probably would've promised a two and a half hour long balls out epic, but would only produce a 79 minute dud with occasional spats of competence.

That's what I would've thought if NT pitched me a movie, anyways.
LittleBigD's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2010 08:17
LittleBigD
@MetalGod
You know a guy on my friends list says the same thing. He plays nothing but MW2, and he hasn't played GOW3, but that's what he says. I'm pretty sure that's the case here too.
MetalGod's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2010 08:36
MetalGod
@LittleBigD
Ahh. Inaccurate assumptions are my favorite. Because only someone like that could not like the masterpiece of our times that is GoW. Listen to yourself man.

And actually I don't play MW or any other FPS for that matter and I have finished all the GoW games including Chains of Olympus. So how about you start presenting your arguments with facts instead of pointless accusations.
LittleBigD's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2010 09:24
LittleBigD
@MetalGod
Well here let me have a look at the evidence you brought to the table. I hear it's overwhelming. Let's see you say you've played all 4 games, they have the exact same animations, and the exact same story.

Well that settles it........you're a moron. I rest my case.

Give it a rest putz. I could drag you to my house, and I could play all 4 games in front of you, and you still have the same opinion.

It doesn't matter if you hate the story from the GOW series, or if you think the character has had the same set of moves for 4 games. Judging from the demo Enslaved is obviously targeted towards fans of games like God of War. The fact is GOW has set the standard for how action games should play. Every character in an action game should handle as well as Kratos does. And that's where the Enslaved demo came up a little short.
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