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Let's hope it's not an absolute bloody nightmare for anyone that isn't Valve.
Seriously, the amount of hoops and proprietry formats you have to go through is simply ridiculous.
Seriously, the amount of hoops and proprietry formats you have to go through is simply ridiculous.
I still find myself gawking at levels in the Half-Life 2 games. I don't care how old the engine is, that world is incredible.
Not really surprising, since I doubt they'd want to have to completely re-tool filmmaker when the next engine comes out. This probably means it'll need light patching or a plug-in to make it happen.
if the source engine is so powerful, how come no one uses it other than valve? or do they not license it to developers like the unreal engine?
and by looking at a list of games that use it there arnt that many. and most were mods that other people made.
im just curious, if its the "most flexible, comprehensive, and powerful game development environment out there" then why isnt anyone using it to make games?
and by looking at a list of games that use it there arnt that many. and most were mods that other people made.
im just curious, if its the "most flexible, comprehensive, and powerful game development environment out there" then why isnt anyone using it to make games?
@fetusmilk
I think they do license it. Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines was made with the Source engine and that was before Half-Life 2. Mind you, Valve sold them a half completed engine and predictably the game was a technical mess.
I think they do license it. Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines was made with the Source engine and that was before Half-Life 2. Mind you, Valve sold them a half completed engine and predictably the game was a technical mess.
@fetusmilk
Vindictus, Dark Messiah, Zeno Clash, SiN Episodes; just ti name a few for you. Do your research.
Vindictus, Dark Messiah, Zeno Clash, SiN Episodes; just ti name a few for you. Do your research.
@tomnuki learn to read. like i said, by looking at a list of games that use it, its not very many. so how can it be the best if no one is using it?
not to mention those games are at least 2-5+ years old....
not to mention those games are at least 2-5+ years old....
The Source Engine is one of my favorite engines on the PC. I can't wait to see what Valve has planned for the future.
@fetusmilk
You sure are ornery today. Do you suffer from Dunning-Krugerisms, maybe?
And listen to tomnuki, do your research before you troll.
You sure are ornery today. Do you suffer from Dunning-Krugerisms, maybe?
And listen to tomnuki, do your research before you troll.
The source engine for me personally, is a perfect balance of graphics and longevity. I have never found a 3Dgame engine that has held up so well throughout the years.
I've been saying this for a while now. Source 1 was first used with Half-Life 2 in 2004, where this generation arguably started right along with Doom 3 and id Tech 4. id Tech 5 failed to impress because it was saddled to Rage, UE4 is still a year plus out for a title that's really going to push the engine, and Frostbite 2 is just a generational transition engine (just like UE 3.5). You'll see Frostbite 3 before the next gen is over for that reason.
It would make sense that Source 2 is coming for the next gen. PC fanboys hate to admit it, but their entire platform is dependent on the consoles. That's why new engines come out right before the next and the best PC games come at the end of the current one (Deus Ex, System Shock 2, and Half Life 1 say hello).
HOPEFULLY this means that Valve has been dragging its feet for so fucking long with the next Half Life because they want to put it on the next version of Source, hopefully for a 2013 release. Which is nice and all, but I would have taken it four year earlier in Source 1.0 thank you very much.
It would make sense that Source 2 is coming for the next gen. PC fanboys hate to admit it, but their entire platform is dependent on the consoles. That's why new engines come out right before the next and the best PC games come at the end of the current one (Deus Ex, System Shock 2, and Half Life 1 say hello).
HOPEFULLY this means that Valve has been dragging its feet for so fucking long with the next Half Life because they want to put it on the next version of Source, hopefully for a 2013 release. Which is nice and all, but I would have taken it four year earlier in Source 1.0 thank you very much.
I heard if you stand on your head, spin around ten times, then pleasure yourself furiously to Gabe Newell, there's an easter egg hinting at HL3 in the code.
All kidding about rabid fans aside, this is awesome news. The Source engine has been used for some wonderful things, and I'm sure the new one will be stellar.
All kidding about rabid fans aside, this is awesome news. The Source engine has been used for some wonderful things, and I'm sure the new one will be stellar.
@ctg867
No, thank you. Knowledge bomb up in here
@fetusmilk
It surprises me that it is underutilized too. I always assumed that the source engine was poorly optimized for consoles and that is why it was underutilized.
No, thank you. Knowledge bomb up in here
@fetusmilk
It surprises me that it is underutilized too. I always assumed that the source engine was poorly optimized for consoles and that is why it was underutilized.
@kymikoloco did you also not read my 2 comments. i did the research, i went and looked up the list of games that use the source engine.
and it has nothing to do with trolling. i love how people use blanket comments to push others to the side like a plague infested leper. i was asking why they thought it was the best engine out there when there are tons of other engines that do more things than source. but im not a developer so i wouldnt know the the background mechanics of them so maybe im wrong and source is the end all be all engine every one should be using but arnt...... but as a gamer, i dont see how its any better than any other engine out there.
oh and half life sucked because i said so. now thats trolling
and it has nothing to do with trolling. i love how people use blanket comments to push others to the side like a plague infested leper. i was asking why they thought it was the best engine out there when there are tons of other engines that do more things than source. but im not a developer so i wouldnt know the the background mechanics of them so maybe im wrong and source is the end all be all engine every one should be using but arnt...... but as a gamer, i dont see how its any better than any other engine out there.
oh and half life sucked because i said so. now thats trolling
@akinney77 thank you for understanding what i was trying to ask. if its so good, why arnt more people using it other than moders?
@fetusmilk
To actually address your questions instead of just being combative, they've only updated the Source Engine once or twice, while the Unreal Engine gets updated every couple of years and is capable of much higher end graphics. A lot of companies want cutting edge graphics, and Source isn't necessarily going to deliver. The advantages of the Source Engine are the fact that it's GREAT for modding, because development kits are free to anyone who owns a Valve game, and it's possible to put a map together without doing any coding, and pretty much any computer made in the last three or four years can run it perfectly. It's not the most technically advanced engine, it's not the most robust necessarily, but of the popular pc gaming engines it is without a doubt the easiest to use, which is why all of Valve's games have about a million mods each.
To actually address your questions instead of just being combative, they've only updated the Source Engine once or twice, while the Unreal Engine gets updated every couple of years and is capable of much higher end graphics. A lot of companies want cutting edge graphics, and Source isn't necessarily going to deliver. The advantages of the Source Engine are the fact that it's GREAT for modding, because development kits are free to anyone who owns a Valve game, and it's possible to put a map together without doing any coding, and pretty much any computer made in the last three or four years can run it perfectly. It's not the most technically advanced engine, it's not the most robust necessarily, but of the popular pc gaming engines it is without a doubt the easiest to use, which is why all of Valve's games have about a million mods each.
And yeah, like akinney77 said, it doesn't optimize well with consoles. More than anything, that's probably why it's not used more.
Throwing my 2c in for Unreal Engine 3 as well; I've just realised that the last 3 games I've played were all built with it (Q.U.B.E., The Ball and Mirror's Edge), and it still looks great and runs great at full settings on my admittedly not-great-anymore rig. Compare that with trying to run Saints Row: The Third with whatever engine that uses; it barely scrapes by on minimum settings and looks like garbage. Source and UE3 have both done a great job of squeezing the most performance out of peoples' PCs as they can.
Source 2 is basically the 2009 Build of Source Engine that CS:GO and L4D2 use idk how much different it would be other then new tools for editing that would make things way easier then the ancient hammer editor, and source filmaker runs on the 2007 build of source with some code taken from the 2009 build
I thought Source 2 was already made, considering the graphical differences in Portal one to Portal 2
I'm eagerly anticipating an ARG that only several people in the Seattle area can play while the rest of the internet F5's a wiki for 3 weeks straight.
@fetusmilk
I know what you're saying. I'll grant them the first 2 as it's very easy to use, comprehensive in terms of feature set and flexible. The flexibility is key. Source games may not look stunning anymore, but they don't have a signature look. It's odd, an Unreal game looks like an Unreal game most of the time, but a Source game looks bespoke. Which is even odder when you think that most of those games were built by the same developer.
Powerful is subjective. I scoffed when I read it as obviously it doesn't measure up to modern engines. But can it be powerful in terms of deployment? Yes it can and I'm not sure if it is or not.
Meh, who cares anyway. They should have cleaned out the code of the SFM because in 5 years time, people will be screaming for Source 2 to appear.
I know what you're saying. I'll grant them the first 2 as it's very easy to use, comprehensive in terms of feature set and flexible. The flexibility is key. Source games may not look stunning anymore, but they don't have a signature look. It's odd, an Unreal game looks like an Unreal game most of the time, but a Source game looks bespoke. Which is even odder when you think that most of those games were built by the same developer.
Powerful is subjective. I scoffed when I read it as obviously it doesn't measure up to modern engines. But can it be powerful in terms of deployment? Yes it can and I'm not sure if it is or not.
Meh, who cares anyway. They should have cleaned out the code of the SFM because in 5 years time, people will be screaming for Source 2 to appear.
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