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Hmm... I dunno. I agree with Cage and that is kinda how I experienced the Path... But if I enjoy the game I will definitely play it through a lot of times just to see all the possible out comes. Even in choose your own adventure books I used to read every single possible outcome. In 'typical' games I will constantly backtrack to make sure I didn't miss anything... I doubt Heavy Rain will be different. I like their previous 'don't reload, stick with it!' motto better than this one.
I always play RPGs like this... Mass Effect, The Witcher for example... if something I say or do causes a problem, I roll with it anyway. Makes consequences more important.
Congratulations! You have just reduced people's interest in dropping 60 clams on a one-time play story--at least in the dev's mind.
The idea is to kinda keep your mouth shut about that issue.
The idea is to kinda keep your mouth shut about that issue.
The problem with this is that it relies upon staying completely oblivious to all of the other endings, and that's just not realistic in the world of videogames. We like to talk about endings, exploring every little bit of them. Unless we vow to not talk about the game's ending with others, and pretty much stay our of the game's threads on message boards, this won't work.
Still, the concept is nice. I really like it in theory. I just question it in practice. You'd have to be really damn dedicated to make this work.
Still, the concept is nice. I really like it in theory. I just question it in practice. You'd have to be really damn dedicated to make this work.
Screw that. I dont play games because they're like real life. I play them because they're not. If I want to try or do something again in a video game, I will, because I can.
I don't think it will have no replay value: I just think Cage believes people should value it the first time. Like you would a film.
I can't say I disagree entirely. That's exactly how I feel about Mass Effect. I have gone through ME twice each time doing everything exactly the same because that's how my story is unfolding and I want it to stay that way. I don't want to get sidetracked or lose that feeling that I'm doing it "right." I guess it's a value for the story sort of thing.
That said I don't feel that way about Heavy Rain. It seems like a storytelling playground like Indigo Prophecy should've been but really wasn't. You'd be a fool not to hit that.
I can't say I disagree entirely. That's exactly how I feel about Mass Effect. I have gone through ME twice each time doing everything exactly the same because that's how my story is unfolding and I want it to stay that way. I don't want to get sidetracked or lose that feeling that I'm doing it "right." I guess it's a value for the story sort of thing.
That said I don't feel that way about Heavy Rain. It seems like a storytelling playground like Indigo Prophecy should've been but really wasn't. You'd be a fool not to hit that.
@kauza
Agreed. The concept is a wonderful philosophy on the freewill of choice.
IE: Is it still your choice when you know all/both outcomes?
However as you said it's just not workable since we'll all be owning the same game the idea could only possibly work if each copy of the game was unique.
Agreed. The concept is a wonderful philosophy on the freewill of choice.
IE: Is it still your choice when you know all/both outcomes?
However as you said it's just not workable since we'll all be owning the same game the idea could only possibly work if each copy of the game was unique.
Make it to where I can hit Platinum on a single playthrough and you got yourself a deal, buddy.
I'll be waiting at Blockbuster for this to come out then.
I'll be waiting at Blockbuster for this to come out then.
Unsurprising because Indigo Prophesy had no replay value cause the ENTIRE SECOND HALF OF THE GAME WAS TERRIBLE. Heavy Rain appears to be much better, but saying shit like 'there is no replay value' definitely hurts my interest in the game.
What a boneheaded thing to say.
In other news, EA asks that you only play a single full season of Madden and stop playing, as teams in real life only get one shot at the Super Bowl per season.
In other news, EA asks that you only play a single full season of Madden and stop playing, as teams in real life only get one shot at the Super Bowl per season.
..... morons. Not that I pegged this for anything other than a rental, but the art-house BS is irritating. of course, irritating artsy-types with no common sense is "BECAUSE THAT'S LIFE" too so i guess, the statement becomes some sort of meta-textual art piece i have unwittingly become a part of.
Ugh, On this one I must agree on one point: who would want to play a series of QTE over? On the other point, only morons put up $60 for a game with no replay value (DLC excluded, that adds to the cost)
So I can send nasty messages when I get the worst ending that lasted 10 minutes, complaining the game was too short?
So if all of the characters die at the first possible moment, you should never play the game again? Awesome.
Heavy Rain: A long series of quick-time events with no replay value
<sarcasm>yeah, I really want that game.</sarcasm>
<sarcasm>yeah, I really want that game.</sarcasm>
I understand what the guy is saying about not replaying Heavy Rain, but I also think he is not considering the fact that a lot of players like to explore all the story paths of a game. Like Mass Effect, you could play it two or three times for a few different instances.
I'm still playin this thing though. Psyched for it.
I'm still playin this thing though. Psyched for it.
I would like to state that I'm very much interested in this game and will almost certainly buy it. But...if David Cage tells me I should only play it once, and then sell his game for $60, then fuck him.
I revisit movies don't I? I revisit books? What is so holy about Heavy Rain that I should leave it the way I happened to play it. Fuck you David Cage.
I'll probably still buy it.
I revisit movies don't I? I revisit books? What is so holy about Heavy Rain that I should leave it the way I happened to play it. Fuck you David Cage.
I'll probably still buy it.
From what I understand, it's like watching a movie with a great deal of twists to it. Like...The Usual Suspects, for example. The movie's fuckin great, love it to death, however, when you watch it again, it loses some of that flair. I'm guessing Heavy Rain will be similar. Totally going to buy it though, and will definitely try to explore different paths, after my first play through.
Aren't you making too much of that comment, Sterling? It's an honest opinion from the developer, i don't see where it says that there's no replay value. He's just saying "don't ruin your own story".
In games like these, I just youtube the other damn endings.
In games like these, I just youtube the other damn endings.
"Ruining the magic" by playing the game as a ... game. Maybe he should have just made a feature film.
I think what he's saying is don't go back and load from the last checkpoint if you get an outcome you didn't like from a scenario. And to be honest, he's got a great point on that. Too many times I feel like the realism of a game takes a serious hit when there are exactly 0 consequences for poor decisions, because I can just go back in time and make the decision again, but do it better. When a game like Heavy Rain allows you to keep playing after negative consequences, you're supposed to keep and live with those consequences - like life. And I know, games are supposed to be fun, not necessarily realistic, but this game seems to be striving hard for the latter in particular.
I played Indigo Prophecy/Fahrenheit through only once--not due to a lack of desire to play it again but because I rented it. However, reading this made me want to rent it again and replay it, and I can't help if that's the kind of reaction David Cage secretly hopes people will have to comments like that. Kind of like how you never really paid much attention to Law & Order as a kid, until the day your mom told you you're really too young for shows like that and shouldn't be watching them.
I honestly understand what he means.
Like, one of my favorite games, Kingdom Hearts, was AMAZING the first time I played it. Then... every play through after that was just alright. And, I don't mean in the sense that I was just doing the same thing (which I was) but the first play through had some sort of magical quality to it...
Everything just seems to lose that after the first play through.
Like, one of my favorite games, Kingdom Hearts, was AMAZING the first time I played it. Then... every play through after that was just alright. And, I don't mean in the sense that I was just doing the same thing (which I was) but the first play through had some sort of magical quality to it...
Everything just seems to lose that after the first play through.
Damn, people seriously have some sand in their vag over this one. Amusing though, people go apeshit, absolutely bloody bonkers when they're 'misled' in any way about a game...and then when a dev actually states some truths...more heaps of endless steaming shit. Can't please anyone these days lol.
Like a couple of people, just re-pointing out that he doesn't say there is no replay value, just that he thinks it is best experienced a single time.
Which, in my opinion, is hopelessly optimistic in a game that appears, on the face of it, to have a whole lot of replay value. Sure, it'll never be quite the same as the first time, but there's a reason I watch films again even when I know the twist, too.
Which, in my opinion, is hopelessly optimistic in a game that appears, on the face of it, to have a whole lot of replay value. Sure, it'll never be quite the same as the first time, but there's a reason I watch films again even when I know the twist, too.
"I would like people to play it once … because that’s life. Life you can only play once … I would like people to have this experience that way,"
This is the most PR bullshit explanation for anything I've ever seen.
"So the game has no replay value. Why?"
"YOU CAN'T REPLAY LIFE AND THIS GAME IS LIKE LIFE"
This is the most PR bullshit explanation for anything I've ever seen.
"So the game has no replay value. Why?"
"YOU CAN'T REPLAY LIFE AND THIS GAME IS LIKE LIFE"
i'll eventually go into it trying achieve a very specific outcome, but the first few times will be the natural way of it.
This actually kind of pisses me off. "Oh, our game is so precious and original it's glorious majesty should only be experienced once, lest it's impact be for naught." Fuck you, if I buy your game and decide to see every possible way I can fuck up, then that's my choice. I thought for sure they'd be championing the replayability of this thing.
Unless of course he's being completely honest and the game really isn't worth playing more than once.
Unless of course he's being completely honest and the game really isn't worth playing more than once.
Most of the comments in this story are insanity, really.
His whole point is that the choices and moments of the game should have consequences and impact your gameplay experience. Anyone who has played a good RPG should know that choice and the conquences of those choices can be an amazing experience in a game. One example would be in Morrowind where a certain fighter's guild mission had you assassinate the leader of the thieve's guild... you had to choose where your loyalty was, then deal with the fallout. That stuff is awesome in games.
He even states in the story you CAN load and do things different if you want, it's not like the option is restricted, he just hope's you don't, as the gameplay is more exciting, real and impacting that way.
His whole point is that the choices and moments of the game should have consequences and impact your gameplay experience. Anyone who has played a good RPG should know that choice and the conquences of those choices can be an amazing experience in a game. One example would be in Morrowind where a certain fighter's guild mission had you assassinate the leader of the thieve's guild... you had to choose where your loyalty was, then deal with the fallout. That stuff is awesome in games.
He even states in the story you CAN load and do things different if you want, it's not like the option is restricted, he just hope's you don't, as the gameplay is more exciting, real and impacting that way.
This makes me think it'll be like Fahrenheit where it might seem like you had more choice then you did and a replay would just reveal how blatantly railroaded the entire story is.
Realistically this is a pretty stupid thing to suggest...pretty much any classic movie worth it's salt you can watch again and again picking up on the subtleties and revealing in the artistry of it's construction. To say that what you've produced won't hold up to the scrutiny of a second impression is...well it sounds rather dumb.
Not discounting the fact that if the game really is a semi-non linear storyline masterpiece of choice...offering all this choice and then demanding the player never explore the alternative what ifs only serves to limit the appreciation players will have for the complexity of the game. But I guess we should expect this sort of thing from a man that allowed the absolute cock up of a conclusion go ahead in Fahrenheit...when your storyline would have been better served with "A wizard did it" you really need to consider a re-write.
Realistically this is a pretty stupid thing to suggest...pretty much any classic movie worth it's salt you can watch again and again picking up on the subtleties and revealing in the artistry of it's construction. To say that what you've produced won't hold up to the scrutiny of a second impression is...well it sounds rather dumb.
Not discounting the fact that if the game really is a semi-non linear storyline masterpiece of choice...offering all this choice and then demanding the player never explore the alternative what ifs only serves to limit the appreciation players will have for the complexity of the game. But I guess we should expect this sort of thing from a man that allowed the absolute cock up of a conclusion go ahead in Fahrenheit...when your storyline would have been better served with "A wizard did it" you really need to consider a re-write.
"I would like people to play it once … I think playing it several times is also a way to kill the magic of it."
So how the hell is that going to translate into the trophy system, Cage? Bet you never thought of that, did you?
So how the hell is that going to translate into the trophy system, Cage? Bet you never thought of that, did you?
This has to be the STUPIDEST thing I have heard a developer say.
David Jaffe looks like freakin' Albert Einstein after this quote.
This guy just officially killed a lot of hype for his game. *GOLF CLAP*. You know the marketing team at Sony is chugging Malox without the spoon because of this.
The guy who locked himself in a room because Nintendo would not give the green light to his project? Smarter than David Cage.
David Jaffe looks like freakin' Albert Einstein after this quote.
This guy just officially killed a lot of hype for his game. *GOLF CLAP*. You know the marketing team at Sony is chugging Malox without the spoon because of this.
The guy who locked himself in a room because Nintendo would not give the green light to his project? Smarter than David Cage.
@ CaptainBus
Actually I heard on the Gametrailers developer interview that they don't even want trophies in the game, and are annoyed they have to use them.
Actually I heard on the Gametrailers developer interview that they don't even want trophies in the game, and are annoyed they have to use them.
@ Frohike - my thoughts exactly, only i don't pay $60 to watch a movie once, and i'm never going to.
so after we finish this game, are we expected to trade it in or something? i hope cage never jumps on the "pre-owned games are evil" bandwagon, or he'll look like the biggest tit in the industry.
so after we finish this game, are we expected to trade it in or something? i hope cage never jumps on the "pre-owned games are evil" bandwagon, or he'll look like the biggest tit in the industry.
This is something Microsoft or Nintendo should be saying about this game , lol.
It's like he's insulting people as fanboys who are going to play their game multiple times just because they like it a lot.
And,how about the trophy awards?That means trophies wouldn't be in it?I think 1 play through won't help you unlock all the awards , rite?
It's like he's insulting people as fanboys who are going to play their game multiple times just because they like it a lot.
And,how about the trophy awards?That means trophies wouldn't be in it?I think 1 play through won't help you unlock all the awards , rite?
I feel like reloading saves to avoid stuff that you have made the story do is worse than playing the game again to watch it unfold in a different way. But maybe that's just me.
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