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HD Wii emulator is actually better than the Wii ... a bit photo

This really is quite remarkable. Not only has the Wii been successfully and competently emulated on the PC, but the graphics are being brought to us in shiny 720p HD. While it does have a few issues, the Dolphin emulator currently makes Wii games look far better than they do on the console itself, and gives you a taste of what could have been if Nintendo had bothered to make the Wii a bit more powerful.

Looking at the images, all I can think is that this is what the Wii really should have been from the start. Fair play to the Nintendo designers, they've managed to make some really good looking games despite the Wii's limitations, but it could have been so much more. If emulation is your thing, perhaps you can enjoy this for yourself, but those of us who aren't emulation geeky geeks who like to whine and moan that emulation isn't illegal and stomp their feet and have tantrums over it will have to simply dream of what might one day be real. 

There are loads of shots on NeoGAF. Check them out and imagine a world with Wii HD.


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Xtreme2damax's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 16:59
Xtreme2damax
@Al3xander, I never said they didn't, so why don't you come off that high horse from your moral high ground instead?

My point is everything has illegal and legal purposes, can you say truthfully claim any person has never killed anyone with a knife or used torrents for illegal downloads?

Both which have legit purposes and uses, and apply here as well..

Just because there are some who use emulation to play pirated games for free, it doesn't apply to everyone. There are those who buy and dump all of their games, who may have never pirated anything. You can't say that everyone who uses an emulator is a pirate or equate emulation to piracy, because it's simply is not true nor does it hold any ground an an argument.
Grimspoon's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 17:01
Grimspoon
Hooking up your Wii to an upscaling HDTV isn't going to give you the same result as what your seeing on the Dolphin emulator. Anyone who believes that has obviously failed to watch the Dolphin EMU in action or has failed to witness the fail which is Wii hooked up to an HDTV.

Night and day. The difference it massive.
Grimspoon's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 17:22
Grimspoon
I'm not a fan of upscalers, be in built in TV upscaling or DVD upscalers. Though they might make a slight improvement, it's a poor alternative to the real thing. Especially DVD upscaling. Edge enhancement and scaled res does not make HD.

This goes for Dolphin as well, It looks awesome, and the group behind the EMU has done an excellent job picking up Nintendo's slack. And therein lies the problem, as great as impressive as Dolphin graphics are it's still a poor alternative to the real thing.

It's just a shame Nintendo never bothered to create the real thing (Wii in HD) to begin with.
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 17:22
Necros
The graphics aren't any better, but they are crisper, which is really all you can ask for if the Wii were to have an HD resolution. I still wish it had something higher than 480p for those of us who cared.
Xtreme2damax's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 17:28
Xtreme2damax
Lets just outlaw everything while we are at it, just because it could potentially be used for illegal purposes, or is being used for illegal purposes..

"Sorry sir, you can not drive your car since it could be used as a getaway vehicle to aid a criminal or a robber, or can be used to run over some innocent pedestrian".
Zizo47's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 18:25
Zizo47
Hmmm.... Where do I start? Maybe at the part where you said emulating was ILLEGAL :O Are you sure about that Mr Sterling? Because you seem to be misleading quite a few idiots here. If you own the console and the game your emulating, then trust me, its very legit. The Dolphin Devs have worked through sweat and blood to please their community and you just accused them all of being criminals. I think you have some apologising to do...

And for the N00bs/Idiots/Whatever your parents call you, if your gonna believe that, then i say, YES, red bull does give you wings -_-
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 18:41
Wedge
I tried running this before and it did better than the PS2 emulator does (that thing is garbage), but it still had plenty of bugs, and the options for input devices were especially rubbish (dunno if it worked better if you had an actual Wii controller with bluetooth connection).
Xtreme2damax's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 18:47
Xtreme2damax
"I said you're a pirate who gets on his high horse and spews bullshit, like your little community on that site".

This..

Despite all this, you still are outright accusing anyone that uses emulators as being a pirate by accusing me of "Being a pirate who get's on his high horse".

So if I am a pirate on his high horse, I suppose that makes you a troll on his high horse?

What part did you miss out of the several times I said I own and have dumped all my games myself? I shouldn't need to take it any further by posting pictures of my games and Wii that I own.

May I also ask what proof you have that I ever pirated anything, or don't own the system and games?

Admittedly I created an account to clear up these misconceptions or harsh views and comments towards to emulation community that have no validity or basis to them.

Misconceptions are what leads to problems if they are allowed to exist and continue, I am only clearing up and correcting the striking obvious.

My comments were completely justified on the subject. The way your comments were typed, conducted and construed confirms this even more so. I really shouldn't have to waste my time here arguing this any further. My time can be better spent elsewhere that is more deserving of the attention rather than feeding into the ego of someone else on matters that should be common knowledge in the first place.

By the way, you fail at trolling. It may work on others, but it doesn't fly with me bud. ;)

It also seems as if your caps lock is having problems, caps lock doesn't make your point or reply any more valid. Also learn to spell, I don't feel like mentioning the bad grammar and spelling your replies contained in addition to dead stops in your sentence structure.

Sure my grammar or spelling isn't perfect either, but it is at least a hell of a lot more comprehensible and presentable.
Zizo47's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 18:49
Zizo47
@Wedge. Ofcourse it does. Personally, I dont have this game, but I can imagen that trying to play it with a mouse and keyboard could be quite tricky :S But if you want answers from some real experts, then you can go here:

http://forums.ngemu.com/dolphin-discussion

:D
Laird's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 19:32
Laird
Regarding the legality of Wii emulation: I've heard it is actually legal to have an emulator for a system (which would explain why zophar's domain is still around). It's just illegal to download roms for it. But if you buy the games and rip the roms, I'm pretty sure you're in the clear. But copyright law is extremely vague, so I'm not 100% sure, and it might only be legal in the US. Nintendo could presumably still attempt to sue, but I don't know if they would bother...

Needless to say, I don't see too much of a difference in the screenshots. I don't really give a damn about HD and surround sound and all that crap unless it makes the game play better, anyway.
Xtreme2damax's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 19:56
Xtreme2damax
It is legal/gray area as long as you own the games or use homebrew software.

If the emulator requires firmware, a bios, or decryption keys then the end user must dump those themselves from their own console.

For the most part Nintendo's legal faq concerning game emulators is skewed in their favor. They state emulators are illegal regardless, even though it has been upheld by the courts including the United States Supreme Court that emulation is in fact legal or a gray area.

Since Dolphin doesn't require firmware or a bios, you only need to own and find a way to legally dump the games you intend to test or play.

Emulation will improve with time along with performance, emulating these systems isn't exactly an easy task when you consider the obstacles that need to be overcome for decent emulation. Patience is virtue, with time emulation and performance will improve along with compatibility.

If you are interested in the amount of difficulty that is involved, you may want to consider reviewing the Googlecode repository and studying the source code of the emulator.

Emulating the DSP hardware somewhat decently is an insurmountable task all in itself, yet still isn't perfected. Lack of proper documentation and needing to reverse engineer the bulk of it, is very time consuming and demanding even more so implementing those features into the emulator itself.
Zizo47's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 20:12
Zizo47
Sheesh, you need to chill. No need to be so rude -_-
Xtreme2damax's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 20:19
Xtreme2damax
If you don't want to be misconstrued or misunderstood Al3xand3r, then don't type in a way that leads others to think otherwise.

By reading your comments, it looked as if you were condemning emulation or calling everyone a pirate who is into emulation. If you were at least more clear, then we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

If it makes you feels better then sue me, nobody is perfect and we are all apt to make mistakes at one time or another. In this particular case it was just a simple misunderstanding that led to an argument.

I took your original comment "Yes I'm sure all those people laughing at the commenters here never pirated a game to play on emulator. Morons, get off your high horse..." as referring to the group as a whole.

I'm sorry that I wanted to address a particular phrase in the article itself along with a few comments, to correct the misinformation regarding the legality of emulation. The phrase itself is a low blow to developers that have worked hard and put a lot of effort into these projects.

The author insinuates that emulation itself it illegal, and those who are in the realm of law-abiding can only one day dream of what will be real.

This is the tidbit of misinformation I was correcting besides the few comments, since it gives others the wrong ideas or conceptions of emulation which skews it's original meaning or purpose to the general populace.

My reply was only calling out those people, it does not apply to everyone here. To be honest I don't even know why you felt the need to reply to me if you already knew this since it wasn't directed to anyone else other than those I mentioned..

I hope you at least can show some decency to forgive me for the misunderstanding.
Xtreme2damax's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 22:11
Xtreme2damax
It was not over nothing, I corrected a phrase by the author of the article who made the insinuation of emulation being illegal.

Misinformation or misconceptions should not go unnoticed without corrections, I was merely pointing out this fact to the misinformed ignorant masses that continue to equate emulation with piracy and deem emulation as illegal as piracy.

It is not a personal crusade either, if I didn't like something someone said in real life, I wouldn't hesitate to point it out. Am I not allowed to offer critique so that corrections can be made and the same mistake wasn't made in the future?

My response was directed only toward those who posted rude or misinformed comments, and the author of the article with his insinuation of emulation being illegal with his phrase "but those of us in the realm of the law-abiding will have to simply dream of what might one day be real".

That sounds like a pretty blatant stab at emulation being illegal to me, when on contrary the opposite is quite true.

You should of been clear on exactly what you meant, and as someone said you've quite been rude since your initial reply to my comment. Not to mention your original reply was quite rude to begin with regardless of whether you think so or not, considering my reply did not apply to you in any shape or form.

Also in regards to your original comment just because you assume the commentators or posters in that thread may of pirated something, it does not mean they did. You have no valid proof to back it up, just a baseless assumption on your personal beliefs that means diddly squat.

I only agreed to there being members that pirate copyrighted materials, I was not agreeing to anyone in that particular thread being guilty of it.

It's normal that there will always be someone who uses something illegally that was intended for legal purposes, it would be asinine to flat out deny it. You will find a lot of this at any community you come across, but those members are usually set in their place to heed to the rules especially when it comes to copyright infringement.

Why did you bother replying to me in the first place, if you were aware of emulation being legal? My comment wasn't directed towards you in any way, it did not concern you whatsoever, only those I was correcting on the subject.

This whole argument could of been avoided if you avoided it in the first place, what reason was there for such a reply for something you were aware from to begin with? What reason was there for a comment, when my reply didn't directly apply to you to begin with?

Something tells me you wouldn't of bothered replying unless you were just as guilty as those I was directing my reply towards and took offense to it.
dirtyd89's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 23:11
dirtyd89
How do you emulate your Wii to play in HD?
I really want to know.
Give me a site, directions, something so help it so I can download this emulation to my Wii.
It would be nice to see my Wii in HD besides only playing my PS3.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 23:23
Jim Sterling
In this thread: Butthurt emulation fanboys.

Looks like that's another fanboy sector I can cross off my "insane people I have somehow offended" list.
Magnalon's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 23:32
Magnalon
Jim Sterling + Al3xand3r = 30,000 comments = mad bank.
lastSKYsamurai's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 23:33
lastSKYsamurai
OMG. So smooth. ,without the blur!
godisgovernment's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 23:41
godisgovernment
every time i see 720p mentioned nearby dolphin, i want to shoot someone in the face. But I guess an edgy-yet-law-abiding blogger like yourself wouldn't have taken it upon himself to do the actual research in order to report as soundly as possible on the subject of your little traffic-generating article, huh?

well, at least it's funny
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/05/2009 23:44
Monodi
Doesn't Nintendo World have an HD Wii? I remember watching a video or something.
FistfulOAwesome's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/06/2009 01:55
FistfulOAwesome
@Jim
Are you ever gonna stop cattily dismissing the Wii? I mean, now you're saying what the Wii should have been is better graphics? Like that in any way would have made the games more fun. Seriously?

P.S. I have no problem with you posting about the Wii Emulator. I have no problem with you posting about it's HD capabilities (or HD upscaling as some of the other commenters have mentioned). I have no problem with you liking the HD graphics and wishing they were available in the actual system. I have a problem with your snide remark about what it should have been. You don't like the system (or specifically, it's games) that's fine. But you don't need to keep "subtly" attacking it.

P.P.S. I do like your funny articles (and you by association). I just have a problem with the way you present your posts.
Nitex's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/06/2009 02:13
Nitex
Looks better than most 360 games. Ha!
snoogans775's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/06/2009 02:21
snoogans775
there is a lesson this article's writer did not learn from Nintendo's success. better graphics=innovation is a stupid concept and innovation is what people want.
Touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/06/2009 07:06
Touch
Xtreme2damax, I only read your fist couple of posts before I almost bored myself to sleep, but I do love how, in your relentless pursuit of some elusive moral high ground which you will never find, you compare the use of illegal torrents and console emulators with two things: A knife and a car. Since the car is essentially the logical conclusion of the invention of the wheel, you may wish to consider the following:

The wheel: integral to the development of our species
Cutting tools: integral to the development of our species
Emulators and torrents: Um....yeah.

Please don't try and justify the fact that your PC is filled to the brim with stolen stuff by comparing chalk to cheese.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/06/2009 08:22
Jim Sterling
I am not "dismissing" the Wii, nor am I saying that graphics = innovation. I am saying that this is what the Wii was capable of, and should have been capable of, from the start. If an emulator could do it, the Wii should have been able to.

I am not a graphics whore, but we've reached a certain standard and it's a shame that some great looking Wii games could not have looked ever greater. Super Mario Galaxy is a beautiful game as it is ... I'd have loved to see it look beyond beautiful.
Agent Lex's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/06/2009 09:02
Agent Lex
Personally, I don't see THAT much of a difference. Does it look better? Yeah. Does the Wii leave room for improvment? Of course. But saying "these images show the Wii could've been soooooooooo much more!" Meh...
FistfulOAwesome's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/06/2009 10:13
FistfulOAwesome
@Jim
Who is this "We" you mention? If you mean "Hardcore" Gamers then I might understand what you mean. Most do upgrade to HDTV's (I myself have one) to make the most of their High-Def Systems. But if you mean the public, then you are wrong.

Less than 25% of American Households (I don't imagine the number is much higher in most other countries) have HDTV's. They are in no way the standard. The new gamers brought over by the Wii (which outnumber the Hardcore by quite an amount (Wii Fit= Over 18 million sold) don't notice these 'Amazing" graphics. My Mom can't tell the difference between Wii and Xbox360 games (she couldn't tell the difference between Smash Bros.1 and 2 either).

This standard you are mentioning was reached around halfway last generation. That's when graphics became "good enough" that any further work would be barely noticeable to the average gamer. The standard for the "Hardcore" gamer may be something like Gears of War, but the standard for the average gamer is Wii Sports.

P.S. If anything I said sounds like an attack against you, I apologize. I'm merely continuing a conversation with you. I pre-apologize because I went against you in a few previous articles, and I don't want you to think that I have something against you personally (especially since I plan to continue commentating on this site, which includes your articles).
Xtreme2damax's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/06/2009 10:13
Xtreme2damax
I have thus concluded that some of the commentators are a bunch of retards, I pointed out out something in the article and in a few comments to be corrected which you felt the need to directly target and bash me on.

Perhaps part of it was my fault for how I presented my first reply, I should of just been straightforward without the unneeded extra junk. Regardless though there was still no need to target or attempt to bash me if what was mentioned never applied to you to begin with.

Please remind or convince me why you are bothering to reply if you know that emulation is legal, when my comments or replies never applied to you in the first place?

"Please don't try and justify the fact that your PC is filled to the brim with stolen stuff by comparing chalk to cheese".

Thanks for also proving how much of a fucking idiot you are by trolling without even reading what I typed, what part did you fucking miss of the several times I stated that I buy and make backups of my games, and by the way pirating shit is impossible on my internet connection?

Likewise, you have no proof that everyone into emulation is pirating, an assumption without facts or proof to back it up is just a baseless assumption that has no validity to it.

You'll always find a group of people that will use something illegally that was intended for legal use, the rest of us shouldn't fucking be lumped into that group just because of the group that chooses to use emulation as a tool or vehicle for illegal activities by pirating.

Thanks for proving how much of an utter failure you are, I think you somehow missed the entire point I was making in my replies and just decided to spout off random crap.

You guys seem to think or believe I mentioned this because I'm on some moral high ground or crusade, when I was only pointing out a phrase in the article in addition to correcting a few comments, hoping they might be acknowledged and corrected.

So fucking sue me for critiquing and correcting a few things sheesh..

Next time I'll try to make my replies more presentable so I am not misconstrued or targeted, I suppose also using [serious][/serious] [not serious][/not serious] tags are needed since some seem to have a stick stuck up their asses from the tree that sits atop "their law-abiding moral high ground".

Perhaps I set my self up with the following phrase in my original reply "It seems some of the commentators here have became the laughing stock and disgrace of the emulation community. :P"

I should of just left that out along with the other random junk, and kept the valid points in my original reply to save from being targeted by an angry mob.

I just don't even get why some of you bothered to target me and bash me for my reply when it never even applied to most of you to begin with?

If I wrote an article I'd be thankful if someone pointed out the mistakes to be corrected, after all professionalism goes a long way in making a column more presentable to keep readers attached.

Sorry for somehow offending some of you in my alleged "moral crusade" by pointing out a few things to be corrected.

Now I remember why I stuck to forums, since blogs, their comments are usually filled to the brim with trolling idiot kids that have no respect for anyone and should not be allowed on the internet.

Also the exact same reason why I avoid reading comments on Youtube videos, most of them are utter garbage.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/06/2009 11:07
Holyetheline
It's beautiful.
whormongr's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/06/2009 11:41
whormongr
@WhiteX wii piracy has been out since the console came out- you need to be a bit more on the ball about it.

my personal take on this though is that, if the games are designed with the wii hardware in mind and the wii has limitations, why does it matter how far you up or downscale or what have you- the wii has a limited poly count and has rendering limitations so it will only be a cleaner or dirtier version of the same thing, in essence if you have a 12x12 box and dump the contents into a 36x36 box the contents don't get bigger they just have more space
funran's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/06/2009 12:20
funran
The wii has been a terrible disappointment, some good things, too many bad and thinks like this just make me sad. I want my stuff in HD, its not a deal breaker, and I'm not selling my wii, but it sure is disappointing. Not just graphics, but overall gameplay of the wii, and content.
whormongr's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/06/2009 13:54
whormongr
@funran I don't see the wii as a disappointment, though I look at it for what it is and not what it is compared to other consoles. I think that it is liknd of sad though that nintendo used to be on the cutting edge of the market and now has become what they are today
sparkthatbled's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2009 07:35
sparkthatbled
Why does it matter that all games should be in HD? It's like saying that all music should be 256kbps instead of 192kbps, in that there's not that much of a difference to the gameplay. It just makes graphics look nicer.
Conrad Zimmerman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2009 07:36
Conrad Zimmerman
Under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, using a means of circumventing copyright protection is a violation. That includes using hardware that is different from what the software was designed to run on when the original hardware is no longer readily available due to obsolescence. While it hasn't come up in a case yet, and may not, the "gray area" many emulation enthusiasts like to get excited about could be a bit more narrow than they think.
Conrad Zimmerman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2009 07:38
Conrad Zimmerman
As a correction to my previous statement, I intended to say that the law only provides an exemption when the intended hardware is obsolete and no longer easily (commercially) available. Sorry for any confusion.
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2009 09:51
Jon B
Oh, Jim, it's not that the Wii is capable of this. It's your PC's GPU adding filters like AA and AS, as well as upping the resolution. So no, the Wii couldn't do this.

Oh, and I'm going to emulate stuff whether it's illegal or not. I bought the game, I'll play it how I bloody well like, thank you.
Xtreme2damax's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2009 11:25
Xtreme2damax
"Under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, using a means of circumventing copyright protection is a violation. That includes using hardware that is different from what the software was designed to run on when the original hardware is no longer readily available due to obsolescence. While it hasn't come up in a case yet, and may not, the "gray area" many emulation enthusiasts like to get excited about could be a bit more narrow than they think".

There is a difference to what some corporate money robbing scumbags have claimed, and what is morally acceptable by the majority of people. It seems to be forgotten that the politicians and judicial system are funded by corporate lobbyists to pass these laws and win court cases..

Piracy is not morally acceptable, since no money is going to the publishers, studios or developers for use of that product. However I feel that if I've bought the media I should be entitled to use it however I want such as making a backup and playing it via an emulator.

Also fair use laws cover reverse engineering which emulation is covered under as well, the code base of most emulation projects contain no copyrighted code whatsoever and are the work of various emu-developers themselves.

Also fair use laws entitle you to a backup of any media you've legally bought, corporate bigheads would even like you to think it is illegal regardless of whether or not the media has copy protection.

Here is something interesting I think some the commentators and author of this article should read:

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/journals/njtip/v2/n2/3/

I should specifically out the references to the Sony vs. Bleem/Connectix case as well as the other various paraphrases concerning the legality of emulation, being a gray area does not mean it's illegal only borderline of possibly being illegal, but deemed legal in a sense by the courts themselves. Furthermore the gray area could be defined that emulation could potentially be used for illegal activities by pirating and playing games for free.

Anything that could be used illegally or potentially be used illegally could technically be considered a gray area, this is what was gathered by the "gray area" definition of emulation upon analyzing the article itself.

If emulation wasn't as legal as we'd like to think as you claimed, or was in the realm of possible certain illegality I am interested to hear as to why most emulation forums have been around for years without legal threats or take downs.

Ngemu, a legal emulation community that serves as a central location or host to several emulation projects, has been around for years and has it's servers located in USA.

Also the fact that emulation projects are allowed to co-exist on Googlecode is with certainty proof that emulation isn't as illegal as you would like to think, and as legal as we would like to think.
Xtreme2damax's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2009 11:33
Xtreme2damax
I should add that I wasn't targeting or attempting to cause a problem, only providing an answer to your reply.

Emulation is also not just about preservation, it is often about enhancing the experience with features the original hardware is not capable of or working around the limitations of the hardware itself.

With Dolphin, the virtual Gamecube memory cards are essentially limitless as to how many saves can be contained in them. There's also post processing shaders, save states, ability to swap textures freely with high resolution or custom textures, ability to apply any resolution or level of AA/AF to games your system is capable of, and other various filters which the original hardware is not capable of nor will it ever be.
Your Moms Hot Lover's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/08/2009 19:25
Your Moms Hot Lover
@Xtreme2dmax dude, you take your emulating shennanigans way too seriously.

If it were illegal, it might be cool to be such a geek about it.

The destructoid journalist isn't going to care or even read your whole post,I know I didn't and I'm not even cool enough to be games journalist.
mrsatan's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/09/2009 18:10
mrsatan
I have tried brawl on it and it is alot better. I currently bust out my N64 emulator so that I can play some wetrix every so often. Emulators are awesome!
Nic128's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2009 14:13
Nic128
I tried once to play FFX that I backed up on my pc. I can't run it properly (not powerful enough). I stopped trying. Wii? Not gonna work for me.
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