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HD Wii emulator is actually better than the Wii ... a bit photo

This really is quite remarkable. Not only has the Wii been successfully and competently emulated on the PC, but the graphics are being brought to us in shiny 720p HD. While it does have a few issues, the Dolphin emulator currently makes Wii games look far better than they do on the console itself, and gives you a taste of what could have been if Nintendo had bothered to make the Wii a bit more powerful.

Looking at the images, all I can think is that this is what the Wii really should have been from the start. Fair play to the Nintendo designers, they've managed to make some really good looking games despite the Wii's limitations, but it could have been so much more. If emulation is your thing, perhaps you can enjoy this for yourself, but those of us who aren't emulation geeky geeks who like to whine and moan that emulation isn't illegal and stomp their feet and have tantrums over it will have to simply dream of what might one day be real. 

There are loads of shots on NeoGAF. Check them out and imagine a world with Wii HD.


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dangerman's Avatar
dangerman at 07/05/2009 11:05
Alright then, time to keep the real wii hooked up to the SD tv in the basement and start using an emulator whith Wii Remotes via bluetooth hen I feel like playing on the 52" 1080P screen.
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Solgrim at 07/05/2009 11:08
Emulators are too much trouble than they are worth sometimes. This one seems to be on of those times. Hopefully this means that a Wii HD is possible and Nintendo will make one.
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PhazonYoshi at 07/05/2009 11:09
Alas, the specs you need for this are currently astronomical - emulating what is effectively another computer is tough enough, but people don't know enough about the wii to do it efficiently enough. In time, though, it'll get better.
(Fun fact, the GCN version of LoZ:OoT runs far slower on my PC than the N64 version!)
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killatia at 07/05/2009 11:10
Its not real 720P. The emulator is just upscaling the 480p image, somethings most HDTV can already do.
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CocoJambo at 07/05/2009 11:10
I watched it on youtube, it lacks textures and effects, and it runs like shit. Also, playing Wii games in HD in emulators doesn't really improve the graphics, it renders 3d models in HD but the textures remains low res.
ExpertPenguin's Avatar
ExpertPenguin at 07/05/2009 11:11
Wow.

If a bunch of people in their basements can come up with this, what's stopping Nintendo? Should've been like this all along. I mean, you need a computer several times as powerful as a Wii in order to do this, but eh...
Solgrim's Avatar
Solgrim at 07/05/2009 11:20
After looking into this some more...


WHY NINTENDO!? WHY!? WHY NO HD SUPPORT RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE!?
PhazonYoshi's Avatar
PhazonYoshi at 07/05/2009 11:21
It can apply an awful lot of AA, and texture filtering, and so on, however.
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Wan Sum Dung at 07/05/2009 11:28
Uh, there's more to HD than simply upscaling the image. Also, while the emulator is impressive it still has a shit load of problems and the requirements are so high that most people won't even be able to use it just yet.
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Doomsday Forte at 07/05/2009 11:31
Maybe I'd be convinced if there were comparison screenies or something. I'm not seeing anything that wows me here. Sorry.
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perri at 07/05/2009 11:36
All I notice is the AA, otherwise it sort of looks a lot flatter than it does on the Wii. Nice an smooth though.
falinter's Avatar
falinter at 07/05/2009 11:37
Meh
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GCNFoo at 07/05/2009 11:40
Yeah it doesn't really look that much better....... maybe I don't have the eye for it
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psycho terror2 at 07/05/2009 11:43
@PhazonYoshi

a respectable gaming PC will be able to play this stuff just fine. i don't know why people trash on PC games and emulators because they wont work on old and/or basic machines.
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PhazonYoshi at 07/05/2009 11:59
As a PC gamer myself, with a card I got for £20, I obviously don't trash on PC games for not running on basic machines :)

I have yet to find a game I can't play... acceptably, including GTAIV, and Crysis. Wii Emulation is NOT far enough along to emulate at a good speed on an "average system". Think about it, that video quotes the specs as:
+ E8400 @ 4GHz
+ 4GB Ballistix DDR2 RAM
+ XFX GTX 260 216 Black Edition
The Wii has a 729MHz single core processor, 91MB total RAM, and an incredibly weak graphics card. Overkill! You can run a SNES emulator on much closer to the original specs, an N64 emulator with a bargain bin PC from 5 years ago, I can emulate GCN games fine with my fairly cheap, 2 year old PC.

I'm not hating on emulation when I say Wii emulation isn't as good as it can be :)
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byjimini at 07/05/2009 12:01
Just use the VGA cable that's on sale, that makes the games look spiffing.

Sadly the games all have to be 60Hz compatible, which means no Little King's Story for you.
Chronic Logic's Avatar
Chronic Logic at 07/05/2009 12:06
Oh wow, better than the real thing? Why bother with the real thing then?
Onlineatron's Avatar
Onlineatron at 07/05/2009 12:08
This is kinda old news. http://kotaku.com/5187762/how-your-wii-games-would-look-in-720p

How does the motion control work btw?
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Tyson The Tool at 07/05/2009 12:08
@ Solgrim

Nintendo dropped the HD capability on purpose to keep the hardware cost low. That way the target casual market will buy a billion of the things on a whim.
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FistfulOAwesome at 07/05/2009 12:12
Damn it, Nintendo! This is why the Wii is made of fail (25 million sold and counting). If you had bothered to spend the time (money) to make the Wii HD (system more costly) it would have been a giant incentive to all customers with TV's with HD capability (less than 25% of all households). What a bunch of Idiots (Geniuses)!
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CocoJambo at 07/05/2009 12:24
@PhazonYoshi

It isn't so simple as converting a few Ghz. Console hardware is highly optimized and doesn't use the same architecture as modern pcs. When the N64 came out if you looked at the specs loosely, it was vastly inferior to pcs of at time but no one could emulate it properly.

Only in this generation did the HD consoles went for overkill in specs to appease geeks with a PC mentality that only bigger numbers mean better graphics when there's a lot more behind it.
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-PL- at 07/05/2009 12:24
Now it needs some good games to play on it.
Onlineatron's Avatar
Onlineatron at 07/05/2009 12:30
@-PL-

Try the one that is giving as an example... It's THE best game this gen.
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greks224 at 07/05/2009 12:31
@PhazonYoshi: There's more to emulation than being close to the original system's specs. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCSX2, especially the part about "Misconceptions regarding speed," which gives a good idea of the problems of emulating modern consoles. Also, read the related "Megahertz myth."
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PhazonYoshi at 07/05/2009 12:37
@Coco, greks;

You're still missing the point :P
All I said was it takes a very good PC to emulate it well, and it's highly likely to improve as time goes on. The specs were just a point, I wasn't saying you should be able to run it on that. I agree with you all!
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Cadtalfryn at 07/05/2009 12:38
Am I the only one who thinks this doesn't look as good in HD? Check it out in motion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yiMZrAaWOw. The textures and everything are just...ugh.
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Doomsday Forte at 07/05/2009 12:47
@Cad: Uh, wow. That looks terrible. I mean, I don't have the eye for that kinda stuff, but I've been over and done with playing games at 35-50% speed for years now. And I probably could scrape by with 1FPS on my machine.

Not that it's necessary. I have a Wii and I'm fine with how it is. After all, haven't emulators always had filters and all to make games look extra-nice?

brb gonna go to 1991 and demand Nintendo put in 2xSAI/Eagle/whatever filters in their console.
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CWal37 at 07/05/2009 12:58
This is actually really old. I've ran Brawl on my computer and it looks way better than it does on my Wii.
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Jon Bloodspray at 07/05/2009 12:58
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Jon Bloodspray at 07/05/2009 13:02
@PL - agreed. There's a handful of good ones, and some I'm looking forward to, but over all I think the catalog kind of sucks.

@ Onlineatron - typing that in all caps doesn't make it true. Galaxy was a step backwards in almost every way from 64. Not even close to the best game this gen, imo.
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MajorCOW at 07/05/2009 13:06
So these guys have created an incredible emulator (though it admittedly still needs some major work), and all you people are doing is bitching about it? Wow, fuck you assholes.
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GoldenGamerXero at 07/05/2009 13:13
It definately needs some work

@MajorCOW

No one has insulted the people who made the emulator all anyone's said is that it needs some work (Anyone who does insult the programmers needs to learn how much work goes into those little things) Don't take it personally.
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Comrade Snarky at 07/05/2009 13:25
Am I to understand that this version looks better than the real game? 'Cause that's pretty much how I remember the game looking...

Then again, I wasn't scrutinizing the visuals to death. I was a bit busy. You know - having fun.
CocoJambo's Avatar
CocoJambo at 07/05/2009 13:35
@MajorCOW

They did a great work doing the original emulator on the Gamecube and improving it for the Wii with HD, but in many games it doesn't work perfectly and it takes away a bit of the experience just so you can run HD. No one can deny that Nintendo games are at least very polished and go through an extensive QA, and this takes it away when you start seeing missing textures and frame rate drops.
Dr Undegarde's Avatar
Dr Undegarde at 07/05/2009 13:44
Nice find, Jim. Now I can play Bit.Trip Beat as it was always meant to be played, in glorious HD!

But on a serious note, if there is a difference, it doesn't seem like much of one. Some comparison screens would be nice, but then, maybe I just don't have that keen an eye for this sort of thing.
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The-Excel at 07/05/2009 14:02
@CWal37:
I saw that video a while back. I was about to say the same thing.
TheToiletDuck's Avatar
TheToiletDuck at 07/05/2009 14:06
Why bother with wii emulation when snes emulators still work well :)
Diverse's Avatar
Diverse at 07/05/2009 14:09
"Alas, the specs you need for this are currently astronomical"

Lol wut? He's running it with an overclocked E8400 and GTX 260. Far from "astronomical".



Running Zack and Wiki with the Dolphin emulator with my Q6600 and 1GB 4870. Neither of them overclocked.
Magnalon's Avatar
Magnalon at 07/05/2009 14:09
Like Cwal, I've been basking in this for a long while now, and it's better: plus it has faster load times and other perks (using a PSX/Xbox controller effortlessly, anyone)? Bonus protip: Dolphin also runs GCN games using the same ui/program!

You can buy a machine for $400 that will run this, easy, as well.
daysocks's Avatar
daysocks at 07/05/2009 14:20
This is kind of old news as far as Nintendo games look far better emulated.

Has anybody seen Metroid Prime in HD? That looks bloody gorgeous.
EdgyDude's Avatar
EdgyDude at 07/05/2009 14:21
i've said it once and i'll say it again, the Wii's main flaw isn't it's lack of 720p and HD, it's the level of half-bakedness, lack of polish and quality shortage that is present in most of it's library. Even good publishers have just taken that route.
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Jon B at 07/05/2009 15:11
Uhh, "MEGA HIGH SPEC NEEDED LOL"?

How do you figure that one? All the emulators I have, provided there's not a particular issue with the specific game, run perfectly. That includes Dolphin and PCSX2.

The catch? I'm on a AMD X2 3ghz, 2gb ram and a 8800GT. Hardly astronomical at all.
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pedrovay2003 at 07/05/2009 15:19
It's good, but honestly, it's not that big of an improvement. Might as well use the original hardware, which makes graphics that are perfectly fine, thanks.
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PhazonYoshi at 07/05/2009 15:25
@pedro, that's not the point of emulators. It's to keep the console's library alive. I couldn't find a SNES very easily, but I can sure as hell grab an emulator. It also makes modifications of the games far, far easier.
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Gareth1977 at 07/05/2009 15:26
A quick message for some of the emulator noobs out there. Emulation does not equal piracy. We buy our Wii games just like you, and many of us own a real Wii but, as they look so much better, choose to play the games on our PCs with high resolution and aa/af filtering.
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Magnalon at 07/05/2009 15:38
@Gareth
I second that statement. I feel at ease with PS2/PS1 emulators because I know that no matter what happens to my PS2/PS3 system, I can pop my discs right into my PC tray and play them again.
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WhiteX at 07/05/2009 15:46
I like emulation of vintage systems for the sake of nostalgia and preservation, this is just the last hurdle to piracy, playing an alive system without paying dick, disgusting.
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Mirax at 07/05/2009 16:17
I thought the whole point of the Wii was fun over graphics. If you have the real system, I don't see why you would use a emulator. If you DON'T have the console though, it's a nice option.
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Xtreme2damax at 07/05/2009 16:39
[quote=Espada Andy 2]promoting piracy now jimmy?
way to fail....[/quote]

Way to go with the completely misinformed and ignorant comment. This is the reason emulation will never be widely excepted is because idiots like you continue to equate emulation with piracy.

In regards to the article and it's author, this comment within the article has to be the most disturbing comment I've read regarding emulation, yet again from the misinformed and ignorant masses:

"but those of us in the realm of the law-abiding will have to simply dream of what might one day be real".

Where the heck did you ever come up with the conclusion that emulation was ever illegal? For starters refresh yourself with some homework and read up on the Sony Vs. Bleem/Connectix court cases, then read up on court cases where Emulation has been declared legal by the USA.

Emulation is not illegal, however it's considered a gray area. You do know there are those who actually back up their legally owned games to use via emulation don't you? You do know that there are people that actually own both the system and games who like to play them via emulation?

I own a Wii myself, and I've backed up my own games to play via emulation, so don't you dare use the accusation that emulation is illegal or emulation = piracy because it doesn't.

Why do you think legal emulation communities that are the center of emulation projects are allowed to exist on servers located in the USA, mind you these sites also don't partake in the illegal distribution of copyrighted materials nor do they support any form of piracy.

Emulation isn't just about preservation, it's also about enhancing the experience with features that even the original hardware isn't capable of.

Save states, high resolution textures, higher resolution, enhanced graphics, filtering AA/AF, no restrictions on with homebrew, ability to easily cheat beyond the capabilities of the original hardware.

These are all reasons most people are into emulation, you can thank pirates for skewing the original meaning and conception of emulation to the masses.

Just like torrents can be used for illegal and legal purposes, just like a knife can be as a murder weapon or to cut food, emulation has both legal and illegal uses.

Emulation is also done for the challenge, some of you should get a clue before running your traps. The Wii/GC has to be the most challenging systems by far to emulate.

You have the strange sound formats Nintendo uses for Zelda/Mario games along with the task of emulating the just as equally nightmarish DSP hardware, strange development methods in games, strange unheard of features..

Combine that with the lack of documentation of the hardware, and even at this stage, even though it doesn't seem like much, the progress so far is an amazing feat in itself.

Due to reverse engineering (Also legal) the development team was finally able to get some sound working in Mario Galaxy, Zelda: Windwaker, and Zelda: Twilight Princess (GC) albeit not perfected as of yet.

If you want to see the amount of work that went into this so far, the unsurpassed difficulties in emulating the Wii/GC hardware or want to keep track of development look no further than the projects Googlecode page:

http://code.google.com/p/dolphin-emu/source/list

Which reminds me if emulation was illegal, why is the project allowed to exist on Google, why hasn't it been taken down yet?

Yeah, I thought so..

It seems some of the commentators here have became the laughing stock and disgrace of the emulation community. :P

http://forums.ngemu.com/dolphin-discussion/124358-dolphin-destructoid-com.html
Xtreme2damax's Avatar
Xtreme2damax at 07/05/2009 16:48
Unfortunately I can't seem to find a way to edit my above comment, it's my first time commenting here.

Also on emulators, it's more than simple upscaling when it comes to resolution, instead of increasing the resolution you are also increasing the internal resolution of the image as well.

Anti-Aliasing, Anisotropic Filtering can also be applied. You can also create your own high resolution or custom textures and use them ingame on the emulator.

I also shouldn't need to mention the virtually limitless virtual memory card for Dolphin, as well as other beneficial features for emulation that make it worth it.
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