I wont say its the end of the world cause its not "True HD" I do prefer a game to play good then be a slide show full of eye candy. But I fear this pre install crap is here to stay and I do not like that one bit. It does lesson load times so it has some benifits. Though it does not eliminate them, even fully installed PC's have load times its just the hard drive has much faster access times. I really think in alot of cases this is just easier than optimising for Blu Ray Oblivian duplicated data all over the disk to reduse loads and its not that they have to do this they could optimise it but this is easier and cheaper and found that people are willing to put up with it. And now that pandoras box is open we are stuck with it.

The game better be good to make it worth all that crap.

i'm okay with installs if it decreases the load time.

Okay science time!
576x720 (576p) = 414,720 pixels.
720x1280 (720p) = 921,600
576x1280 (Haze) = 589,824
720p - Haze = 331,776
576p - Haze = 175,104

Just for those who really needed the break down of numbers, Also my math could be horribly wrong.

And where the hell are the people who constantly scream graphics aren't everything! Let's go drug based gameplay!

@Sharpless: *rabble rabble rabble*

Also, moan.

@Brainderailment

I looked at the list and only 2 of them are good (Ninja Gaiden and Super Stardust HD), all the pixels in the world couldn't help out the rest of the 24.

^ Ooooh!
Oh, no he didn't! :D

luckily I'm not the least interested in Haze...

Lol, half the games on that 1080p list aren't particularly graphicaly demanding.

I'd be pretty fucking surprised if games like flOw, Pixeljunk and Blast Factor weren't in 1080p. Also, stuff like Tekken doesn't have that much to draw on the screen at once either. Games like Harry Potter aren't particularly visually stunning either.

Come back with that argument when there's something like GTA or a big FPS or a few other things running in that resolution that actually matter.

you know, 4GB install for almost SD graphics should give everyone an idea as to the priorities and talent of the developers involved.

There is no excuse for any PS3 game to be less than 720p at 60FPS. If there is, the developers suck... so move along.

Cripes... don't these people know that their software is going to suck, or at least get bad publicity? Every time I bash the Wii for its technical incompetence, I see a story like this. Does anyone really know what they are supposed to be doing these days? Is software development truly a lost art?

@Too Much Coffee Man, haha ive just been reading yours and brainderailment comments to each other. Hes not to bright, he calls you a fan boy then starts attacking MS..??? I saw your point you were not slagging off haze just laughing at Phil missleading consumers to buy there machine. Its like someone trying to sell you a car which does 200mph when it really only does 120mph!! Not good at all!
Apart from that the game looks average...nothing wrong with the lower res if you get better frame rates etc. The installs sux balls!! I dont find anything wrong with loads between levels gives me time to get ready for it, especially if the last level has been a bit manic!!

@brainderailment

LoL and you had the audacity to try and paint me as a fanboy. it's ironic how you say in this thread that you will not be buying HAZE & that the article is meaningless because nobody cares about HAZE; yet on your profile page you have
"My most anticipated titles are:

MGS4,
Little Big Planet,
Killzone 2,
Grand Turismo 5,
Haze," <---

in your comment:
"I think it should also be noted that currently there are only 3 *Native 1080p games for the 360. While there are 26 *Natively 1080p games. The rest are upscaled."

that link? it's COMPLETELY wrong. notice there's nothing to back it up? try the Beyond3D console tech forum.

i already went over both for both systems in my first comment. i did not include Aracade games (for either system) though because those are very light on resources. the titles (in that very inaccurate link u posted) majority of them are wrong, not 1920x1080.

i find it ironic you will believe that list, but at the bottom of the same page where you click "List of Xbox 360 1080p games" and it lists 35; yet you list it as 3 while listing their full amount as accurate for ps3 from the same site. you will believe their extremely inaccurate ps3 list, but not the (also inaccurate) 360 one? mmmhmm

Please see my first comment on this story to see the actual native 1080p titles & confirm it at Beyond3D.

this whole thing sort of reminds me of Tom Sawyer getting Ben Rogers to whitewash his fence for him. by the time Ben realizes he's been tricked hes too disappointed w/ himself for being duped that he tries to convince himself doing it really is fun. denial, projection, transference

Wow, that kinda sucks.

On an unrelated note: as a bird owner that picture is epic. Moar bird pics please.

@ PixelJunky, ive been reading on the net and there are installs for the two games you mentioned, but they are aroung 500mb also here is an explanation to the HDD installs:

The fine folks over at the MTV Multiplayer blog did some digging and found that the problem isn't really in the speed of the Blu-Ray format, as some have suggested, but rather in how it differs from DVD. "By nature, the outer and inner parts of a disc move at different speeds while a disc is spinning," former 1UP news editor Patrick Klepek explains. "While DVD drives can read data at those differing speeds, Blu-ray reads at one speed. Combine that with the extremely large size of Blu-ray discs, and simply dumping existing DVD data onto a Blu-ray disc will inevitably result in longer load times." So basically, developers are used to DVD encoding, and some aren't making the extra effort to optimize it for Blu-ray.

This would result in slow load times, except that developers have started taking up mandatory installs to dump some of the data onto the hard drive. The report does note that several multiplatform games such as the recently released Dark Sector don't have installs but are equal on both Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, so the developers have found workarounds to optimize for Blu-ray in some cases. Others, like Unreal Tournament III give players the option of installing. So clearly, choices exist for developers to avoid the mandatory install; it just may take a while for all of them to adopt the techniques."

Oh boy, another "let's find anything we can to rip on the PS3" article - this time we'll use the screen resolution and a game install of an exclusive FPS as our ammo!

Congratulations, Destructoid, you have become the Fox News of gaming journalism.

Shin Oni says:
05/19/2008 17:42
I don't even know why people care. After seeing the demo yesterday at the Balti NARP, it looks like a cheesy Halo clone with sweet nectar.

anyway halo is boring as hell to me ... and i don't like haze demo too. when you have Resistance and Gears the rest look like crap

uhhh, yeah. the 360 doesn't even display 1080p, it displays 1080i at the highest only, the 'p', which I don't even think makes that much of a difference unless you've got a huge tv, was Sony's big schpeal for bluray vs hd-dvd. But seriously who cares?

@Torpedo Ted: OH DEAR GOD CALL THE PRESSES A MEGA-CONGLOMERATE TOLD A LIE!

...seriously, do you think singling out Sony over the screen resolution of an FPS game with a angle on ability-enhancing narcotics and rad yellow visors is a worthwhile endeavor? Is installing a game to a hard drive to eradicate load times for said yellow-visor-and-crack game *really* that big of a deal? And if it is, why aren't the D-toid editors taking issue with the developers themselves and not the console manufacturer?

Oh wait, that's right. Sony's a bigger target, nobody likes them, and this isn't Gamasutra.

Do you honestly (and I'm asking this rhetorically of the D-toid readership) think that Microsoft and Nintendo are the true bastions of all that is good and noble? Do you truly believe they've never fudged the truth, even just a lil', about anything at all before? Not even just one teensy-tiny itty-bitty white lie?

Aww now come on Blu3Steel, you're just taking things a bit too far now eh?

Meh, Haze's demo wasn't amazing, I might rent it or something.

@Blu3Steel:
The D-toid robot giving MS a BJ? Is that some personal fantasy of yours? Get a room.

I'm just stating the obvious that all companies lie, maybe that's a harsh term, let's use the phrase "embellish," yes, "embellish" in order to sell their wares. The gaming industry is, after all, an industry, and industries are in it for the money, money which you and your ill-informed ilk are all too ready to spend. But the meaning of my post was apparently, yet not at all surprisingly, lost on you, as your only ever-so-eloquent retort projecting your hothot green toy robot on Microsoft's manhood oral fixation.

...hey, your words, not mine. I know all companies lie, and it's not just limited to the game industry either. But that's okay, because I enjoy playing video games.

Blu3steel, you need a new hobby. What, with three consoles out now, and you're posting raunchy robot-on-software-conglomerate erotica on an anonymous forum? Video games obviously aren't doing it for you. Maybe writing cyborg erotica is in your cards.

First of all, I said, "It was horrible," which should have implied that I didn't like it. But I'll give you that one because your cyborg erotica joke was kind of funny. I think I could make a pretty good carrier out of that.

Secondly, I don't care about your "arguments" and your "points" and nobody else does. No one should love any of these companies more than the other, and, really, having actual love for a company/console is ridiculous. Play videogames because you like them. Don't go on the internet and try to "convert" people to your love. Life would be so much better.

In conclusion, Yo mama.