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Hating on the casual, or why it's alright to be a bitter old man photo

I admit it. I hate the idea of pandering to so-called "casual gamers," I abhor how games like Big Beach Sports outsell Metal Gear Solid 4 and I absolutely detest artistic games suffering as publishers jump on the casual gravy train and abandon we who demand more from our gaming experiences.

Do you know what I hate more than the above, however? It's being made to feel like I'm not allowed to feel this way. It's being shamed for disliking what the Wii and third-party publishers have done because I am "scared" and "jealous" and bitter that the games industry is moving away from the "hardcore" and into the realm of the "casual" and there's nothing I can do about it. 

I've had enough of it. You know something? I am scared for the industry, and jealous of the casual attention, and very bitter indeed that many of the things I love about games are being pissed on by publishers. Ultimately, however, I am not ashamed. I'm not going to tread on eggshells for fear of looking like a "casual hater" anymore, and nor should anybody.

I've read a lot of smug and condescending bullshit lately, looking down on the so-called "hardcore" gamers because they're angry at the "casual" movement. We are told to accept the inevitable, that gaming isn't about "us" anymore and that we have to stop our whining because this is the way things are and nothing can change that.

Why? I like whining, and so do you. Don't try to deny it; you love complaining and bitching, and frankly, you're justified. Those of us who want to play games like Half-Life 2, Metal Gear Solid, BioShock or Final Fantasy are going to demand more from their games, and when all we get is some shallow, Wiimote-waving garbage from Ubisoft, we're going to feel cheated.

"Ah, but those games sell, so you have no right to complain," says the smug bastard who is so proud of himself for "getting" what casual games are all about and feels special because he's more progressive than everyone else. You know what though? Fuck. Him.  He might be comfortable with all that, but I'm not, and I'm sick of being made to feel ashamed for not liking the way things are headed. 

It is the way of all things, that when the mainstream get their hands on something, it gets watered down and overly packaged and retarded for their stupid brains. Oh, I'm sorry, did I dare suggest that videogames are being dumbed down? I forgot, I'm supposed to like the idea of Beyond Good & Evil 2 being simplified for "newcomers" who weren't fucking supporting the game when it needed them to. Frankly, this crap is what turned rap and hip-hop into disgusting hateful sludge and pop music into bland and tasteless garbage.

I admit it -- I'm elitist and narrow-minded and selfish. But I am not afraid to admit it, either. I'm not ashamed to be what some call a "pretentious games-are-art fag" and I'm not ashamed to confess that I am legitimately worried that the kinds of games I like to play might become obsolete, obscure and ultimately drowned out. Puerile rubbish outsells well-crafted experiences and that sends a strong and worrying message to publishers.

I once wrote that the hardcore/casual divide was a myth, and I still think that is largely true. I think the majority of publishers who throw the term "casual gamer" around like it's some deified and magical demographic that only just appeared and will make all their dreams a reality is a fucking clutz. I think trying to bottle the magic that Nintendo has is pathetic, and that if EVERYONE tried pandering to what they call the "casual" gamer, nobody would win. In fact, I have a far better dividing line than "hardcore" and "casual" which rings pretty true these days -- good games and shit games.  Right now, shit games are the hotness, and good games just don't sell. Am I wrong in thinking that's just a little messed up?

The majority of people are fucking stupid and they have no taste. You can't deny it, either, because if that wasn't true, Big Brother wouldn't be on the television and magazines that spread the "juicy gos" about Paris Hilton wouldn't be so God damned popular. As videogames become more mainstream, it will lead to good things. However, it will also increase the watering down and reduction of quality that goes on. It is what happens, and you are right if you despise that.

Basically, it's okay to not be happy with the shit that ends up in the sales charts, and if you're worried about the Wii dominating the Xbox 360 and PS3, that's fine, too, and you have nothing to be ashamed of. Don't listen to the smug morons who say "fnar fnar, you're a hardcore gamer, you're out-of-touch and stupid." You're not stupid for demanding more from your videogames, for being irritated that shit blandness outsells greatness. 

I'm just a bitter old man who hates everyone around him, and God damn it, I'm proud to be.


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Ali D's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:12
Ali D
Well Jim, what are you going to do about it?
Lime's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:17
Lime
Yes.

My thoughts exactly.
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:20
B-Radicate
The reason this is such a problem right now is because the Wii is selling so many damn systems to people who have never played games seriously before (if ever). For those people their first experience with a game may very well be Wii Sports, which we all know is fucking garbage and meant as a tech demo more than a legitimate game. Because of this fact, many people don't have a quality standard for what a game should/can be.

Those of us who frequent a site like Dtoid have surely been playing games for ages and have all played our fair share of shitty games in our day (which most of us like to call "classics" or "retro"... zing!). However, over time our tastes evolved and we now all come to expect far more from our games because we KNOW that we should. We know there are better experiences out there that offer more cunning stories, better artistry, and more enthralling gameplay. The problem is that the ma and pa of lil Johnny who play along with him don't. They think every game is either just like Wii Sports or just like GTA (which really isn't even all that "bad" any more anyway).

All this garnering the attention of the "casual" audience is really doing is creating a very large number of immature (for lack of a better term) game players. It's like everyone playing is learning at the same time what games can offer, so over time their tastes will evolve, too. This simply means we'll have to wait for this new casual audience to grow up, game-wise, and catch up with the rest of us, which just sucks for those of us who already "get it."

I'm mad, too, Jim. And I will stand alongside you on this one. While I don't get mad at the players, they don't know any better than we did when we started gaming as wee lads, the publishers can go fuck themselves. They should know what they're doing by now and it simply appears that they don't.
Professor Pew's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:20
Professor Pew
The games industry is quickly turning into the movie industry: smaller, artistic gems get overlooked while the "casual" games are the You Got Served/... Movie/Tyler Perry movies that always top the box office.

Long live the elite core!
Murumasa123's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:21
Murumasa123
If i developer made a simply game that was as revolutionary as tetris but with this gen graphics i reckon everyone would be happy. And theres always blockbuster titles.
As you said most people are idiots who read heat, think everyone east of where they live is too muchg of a terrorist and epect benifits for no reason.
Isn't this blog material though Jim?
Perry Simm's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:22
Perry Simm
Yay, Rio Bravo!
gingerbreadben's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:22
gingerbreadben
This writeup completely sums up on how I feel about this very topic. It's even worse that people I know think they are "cool" and "hip" for having the Wii Sports machine.

Excellent writeup.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:24
Jim Sterling
"Isn't this blog material though Jim?"

It is.

Which is why I wrote it on a blog.
Murumasa123's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:24
Murumasa123
Wait Pew's right.

It is just like the movie industry, meet the Spartans earns millions while the better films can be funded by its profits as it needs to be a business. Then the blockbusters like "There will Be Blood" everyone loves.

There is no issue. I do wish Kotaku would stop complaining at the UK when they do their charts update. I bet theirs is just as shit.
Murumasa123's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:26
Murumasa123
Ok soz it just its displayed on main page and not in your blog section.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:27
Jim Sterling
"its displayed on main page"

Which is a blog.
Rifter01's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:27
Rifter01
I think it is fine and good that Nintendo wants to do their 'own thing' with the Wii, WiiWare and let 3rd Parties run amok (or, to reword it: get creative).. But, I think there is still that argument that the big N wants to disrupt the rest of the gaming landscape in order to win this generation. Ironically the only safe refuge from this botch job is the DS which is all the things the Wii isn't: the DS is extremely fun, full of real games (not just mini-games), first with getting the best games, etc. I'd argue the DS is better in every conceiveable way than the Wii.. since, IMO, the Wii is more a tool of disruption.

Basically, if the Wii could be like the DS then I would feel Nintendo has earned the crown of this generation. Since they not only neglect the titles on VC the fans want, and allow so much shovelware, I think the 360 and PS3 are much more deserving of the home console 'crown' this gen.

:p
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:29
DaedHead8
Thanks for saying what needed to be said Jim.

@Ali D
Might I suggest voting with your dollar? If a company coughubisoftcough seems to be paying less attention to their core audience than stop buying their products and supporting them.
Murumasa123's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:30
Murumasa123
Ok soz i was just saying that i thought that it was more of a personal rant and that the main page is for information for the main audience or creative diggerbal stuff.
Otherwise wots the point of personal blogs (btw im not beign sarcy im just feeling a bit noobish)
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:40
Mushman
'The majority of people are fucking stupid and they have no taste.'

True words, sadly. I pity the people who buy the wii just for the fucking sports games, and then say after finishing the games.

'OOOOH, look at me, I'm a gamer now!!!!!'

I promptly bring out my ps3 and beat there sorry asses at VF5, with a 30-0 win streak at Tekken, then finish them off with shooting the shit out of them on Resistance, then say to them that they are but mere SHADOWS of gamers. I lost a lot of 'friends' that way, and like Jim, I say I'm damn proud of it. Pround to experience what games can really offer, especially story-wise, I'm a so called 'art-fag'.

Long live the 'true gamer', indeed, because the 'true gamer' will keep this industry alive after Joe Average can't be arsed with buying games anymore, and his'her wii sits on a shelf collecting dust.
Justin Villasenor's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:41
Justin Villasenor
"Ok soz i was just saying that i thought that it was more of a personal rant and that the main page is for information for the main audience or creative diggerbal stuff."

What Jim wrote is an op-ed, something that is totally suitable for the front page, which, as he pointed out, is a blog (a space reserved for a writer's opinions, no?).
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:45
Mushman
Correction *proud*,etc. etc.
lubczyk's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:48
lubczyk
I think that it's bullshit that Publishers and Developers invented the Hardcore and Caaual terms practically overnight.

What I hate more that they are refusing to follow the law of the industry that has exists for over 20 years.

The best selling console wins the console war and gets all the best 3rd party support.

First it was the NES, then it was the SNES, then it was the PS1, then it was the PS2, now it's the Wii.

The Wii is market leader and should be the lead SKU all of the industry's publishers and developers.

The Wii has won the 7th Gen console war, now give Wii owners the games they deserve you lazy publishers and developersZ

The PS3 and Blu-Ray and The 360 and Xbox Live are as irrelevant as the 3DO and the SegaCD.

The state of the industry and the Wii as market leader is bullshit.
Spectreman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:48
Spectreman
* I believe this had to do with the physical aspect. People in good shape are more happy and have fun with much games. People fat need desesperatly a escape that only traditional hardcore games can provide.
Mxyzptlk's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:50
Mxyzptlk
It is just like the movie industry, meet the Spartans earns millions while the better films can be funded by its profits as it needs to be a business. Then the blockbusters like "There will Be Blood" everyone loves.

This. The casual craze will level off, publishers will make lots of money on it in the meantime, which will ultimately allow developers to spend more time and resources developing the traditional games they want to make and we want to play.

And anytime a publisher says "we're making the controls more accessible to newcomers" they're just spewing bullshit to make the stockholders happy.
shaun's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:50
shaun
oh no the industry is changing
jim are you saying we the "core-gamers" are turning *shiver*
hippies???
lubczyk's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:53
lubczyk
What's wrong with Meet the Spartans? I enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed Lawrence of Arabia.
hoydensnare's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:56
hoydensnare
Amen. Your observations are as spot-on as they are depressing. And you're parallels to other forms of media that attract the mainstream audience being totally asinine are too true. It's interesting to note one key difference, especially when comparing games to films. The production costs in both industries are skyrocketing. However, by-and-large, the commerical, triple-A blockbusters are the most expensive to produce (star payrolls, effects heavy, marketing), whereas the arthouse films are most often low-budget. Could this trend eventually make it's way into videogames? Is it the fancy (expensive) graphics that make games hardcore? or is it just the gameplay? Would we embrace a new Metal Gear Solid or Final Fantasy with last gen graphics if it retained or even enhanced the complex gameplay elements? Could hardcore games end up going niche? Would we accept a low-budget Halo if the gameplay was rewarding, though it may look dated?
Hoodie's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:57
Hoodie
This casual gaming hysteria seems a bit drummed up to me. Mass-marketed crap games have always sold mystifyingly huge amounts- does anybody remember Frogger's reign of terror atop the PS1 sales charts? I'd like to see the numbers for this gen. MGS and GTA sell like hotcakes, but people still act like Carnival Games will be the death of the industry. Just seems like people are getting worked up over nothing, or for the sake of asserting their status as a "true" gamer.
Novakaine's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:58
Novakaine
As aforementioned, hate the developers/publishers/industry for thinking "casual" = "retard." "Casual" games can be wonderful--Tetris, Wii Sports/Play, The Sims, Guitar Hero, Rock Band, (dare I say Mario?) etc... as long as they're treated as proper things and given due care and development. Imbeciles like the people at Ubisoft think "casuals" are mentally-retarded and can't tell what a bad game is.

Again, blame the industry, not the "casuals." The industry has cooked up this casual/hardcore divide and "war", and the industry doesn't understand why Nintendo is being so successful--they think Nintendo is successful because they make "casual" games, and the industry has somehow associated "casual" with "lack of sophistication, taste, and acute mental retardation" and doesn't understand Nintendo conquered this market with quality, fun games that had years of effort and creativity poured into them.
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 09:58
Necros
There is a casual-hardcore divide, it just isn't new at all, just more prominently recognized in the aftermath of the Wii's launch. And while I generally agree with your renaming of the divide to a shit games-good games divide, that sadly passes over charming games like Boom Blox, which are certainly casual but still quite fun.
1111's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:00
1111
As if mgs is hardcore gaming. All these cinematic "games" are aimed at the mass market. Dont you just love it how everyone
these days thinks he is hardcore cause he plays videogames?
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:01
Mushman
@Spectreman

WAIT, WHAT?? I work out, eat healthily and diet, yet I love gaming, your theory is nullified already

@lubczyk
'What's wrong with Meet the Spartans? I enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed Lawrence of Arabia.'

THIS
CBunn's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:09
CBunn
Wow, Jim, I agree. Witch is amazing, since I have a pathological need to argue. I bought my Wii based on hope for a different way to play, and all I've got was some shitty colored crap to waggle at. Granted, There are good games, mostly the Nintendo ones, but the majority of the rest is crap.
Demtor's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:11
Demtor
Haha, YES! I too am a hater on all of this casual nonsense that the Wii squirts out. Good for them they are making money, I don't care. Nintendo has been broken for awhile if you asked me. I don't care about motion controls, I don't care about consoles being online, I don't care about achievements and friend lists. I care about good games.

That being said I don't think there is any lack of good games really, but I do see this casual trend kind of diverting a lot of attention away from good games not just sales wise but development wise. I'm still waiting for the first 3rd party developer to NOT have motion controls in a good Wii game. I'm still confused as to why the DS has better games than the Wii. I'm still waiting for an explanation on why PS3 had to have motion controls.

"Right now, shit games are the hotness, and good games just don't sell."

I'm hoping, in a years time the 3rd parties really start to pick up on what they want to do in terms of making good games and then do it. I think this first batch of next gen games has been a bit of a feeling out stage. Failures like Lair, serve to be learned from if nothing else. I still have hope.
Bizznet's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:12
Bizznet
Does anyone else other than me think there's going to be another video game crash?
Seamus's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:15
Seamus
hoydensnare: "Would we embrace a new Metal Gear Solid or Final Fantasy with last gen graphics if it retained or even enhanced the complex gameplay elements?..."
I would say yes but I feel as though game developers have ways that they haven't tried too much in the past to get around high development costs, Product placement, if ads generates enough money per game, developers could take bigger risks with what games they choose to make and would theoretically lead to more interesting hardcore games. Another thing in my mind to recoup development costs is simply to raise prices, people will pay more for a higher level of enjoyment, and even if hardcore games were 10-15$ more they still be well worth their money in terms of time for the money versus just about every other type of entertainment.
Novakaine's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:15
Novakaine
@ Bizznet: If there is, it's going to be due to the obscene expenses of HD gaming. Just about everyone but Nintendo/Nintendo's supporters are hemorrhaging money right now.
Alexradl's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:16
Alexradl
I have very strong feelings towards the topic of casual games, and you pretty much summed up those feelings in one article. Honestly, I hate what Nintendo is doing with the industry. We've always had casual games, but in previous generations they have always been the minority. Now, they are the majority (on the Wii, specifically). For now, I'm "ok" with what Nintendo is doing because they are keeping it concentrated on one system. The day their system's shitty games and shitty gimmicks leak over to the PS360 is the day I'll begin to show my true feelings.

Nintendo abandoned us (the people who made them what they are today), quite simply, they are sell-outs. They re-cased a Gamecube (shut the fuck up Wii fanboys, you know it's true) in shiny white plastic, added an updated version of the NES zapper with motion sensing, and marketed the hell out of the thing. They go on to make billions of dollars while the mentally retarded gamers (or casual gamers) try to defend their purchase.

The term "causal games" needs to stop being used. It's simply not a fitting term. They've created a new genre. You know, you've got your RPG's, your FPS's, your Action-Adventure games, and now, your shitty games. The people who play these shitty games will now be known as "shit whores". So, fuck you, shit whores.
Hoodie's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:20
Hoodie
@1111

Well, I agree MGS isn't necessarily hardcore. As someone who just loves PLAYING (not watching) games, I think this "hardcore / casual" terminology is bullshit, at least as it is commonly understood. I've just given up and use the labels as they seem to be understood by the readers of this site: single-player (or online multiplayer) games with high production values. In HD.

Today's "hardcore" would consider most of the first, say, 15 to 20 years of gaming to be "casual" by their standards, with the PS1 (specifically FF7) ushering in their "hardcore" era. Gamres were worried then, too: about games getting bogged down in "multimedia" bells and whistles, trying (and failing) to be movies.
eternalplayer2345's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:20
eternalplayer2345
@Bizznet

I don't think 1983 will repeat itself. During the crash almost every company went bankrupt I don't think were gonna see that any time soon. But I could see growth becoming stagnant and the shit game vs good games ratio spill over with more crap games. Companies will survive gamers wont't.(If a crash does happen)
Doomtrain's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:20
Doomtrain
I work at Best Buy.

I work in the games section.

In before "enjoy your retail job". Fuck you, I hope you die.

You know how many people buy a Wii, and ask me what games are good, and I tell them the list of six or so, then say, "and the rest of them are terrible". They look at me like I'm stupid. My store is open about letting us tell customers what we think of media, so I do. I tell them that aside from a few first party nintendo games, and No More Heroes, the Wii has no good games. They look at me like I'm retarded. When I try to show them Geometry wars, or No More Heroes, or Brawl, or Okami, or any game more complicated than Wii Sports, they act like I'm trying to sell a first grader a scientific calculator, like they're no even interested at all.

I fucking hate them so bad. The fucking Wii is a cancer on the game's industry. Fuck the Wii. Fuck it so hard. I regret ever buying that piece of goddamn junk. FUCK.
freker's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:21
freker
I think the main factor is none of the 'Hardcore' games are made for kids, the Wii and its 'Casual Gaming' is just about the only console thats child friendly.
Look at the catelogue of games available for PS3 and 360, tell me which ones are under a 15 rating; I can honestly really only see Ratchet and Clank:Future, Viva Pinata and Kameo, plenty in the last gen, but hardly none on MS or Sony's console this one.
Its parents buying the consoles and games, maybe thats something to do with it.
Well timed write up. Lets hope someone notices.
ace of knaves's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:23
ace of knaves
The casual/hardcore divide is in how you play the games. You can casually plow through MGS4, skipping every cutscene and blowing the hell out of everything with a pulse, or obsessively play Nintendogs, taking care of the mutts for hours at a time while obtaining every accessory and chew toy.

It's true certain titles are going to appeal more to one group than another, but the kind of gamer a person is comes across more in their approach to games than the games themselves.
stevesan's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:24
stevesan
Jim, promise me this: You will actively promote and support good, indie games. If an independent developer emails you saying, "Please try out my non-shit game!", you will try it out for at least 15 minutes, and if you like it - even if the graphics are just meh - you will promote it on Destructoid and tell all your press/blog friends about it.

Cuz if the big players don't want to focus on "hardcore", that's a great opportunity for indie developers to fill the gap. But indies obviously lack the marketing budget, so it's up to you. That's what you can do about this.
Joseph Leray's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:30
Joseph Leray
There's no hardcore/casual divide -- there are just different steps, kind of. The industry has to support all levels of gaming "maturity," from the people who just started (Flash games, Wii) to us.

@Novakaine -- I'm so glad you understand. There aren't hardcore and casual games, there are good ones and bad ones, which is the point Jim is trying to get at.

We should be angry about crappy games. The problem, though, is that Ubisoft and their cohorts are making bad games aimed at a differnt level of the market, whereas Nintendo makes good games aimed at that level of the market. "Casual" players can be just as hardcore as we are -- they know what good games are, and they enjoy them immensely, and they make up a large part of their entertainment. They just happen to enjoy different types of games -- is that so wrong? And is it so wrong to expect the industry to give them games they want to play?

The answer, obviously, is no, except that the games they do get are crap. That Ubisoft no-name shovelware doesn't sell. Nintendogs sold well because it was good -- there's a huge difference.

Everyone, take a minute to read this article. It's a fascinating read and, I think, hits the nail on the head.
BattyAdroit's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:32
BattyAdroit
@lubczyk:

I can guarantee that you have not watched Lawrence of Arabia.
faultymoose's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:36
faultymoose
I agree. The last time I nerdraged about this was when I finished Mass Effect in less time than it takes me to shit.
Nogarda's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:38
Nogarda
I agree with that whole heartedly but i think you'll find the main tag line is "Destructoid community for hardcore gamers..."
I think rather than agree meant and niggles. if this was posted on say the nintendo section of the gamefaqs.com boards you'ld have like 17 pages of flame hate and death threats by now. They maybe nintendo 'fanboys' but then proper gamers don't need guides its why nintendo fans are there constantly.

I'm not sure how the videogame industry got so costly from people doing games in thier basements to mega bucks super movie games the likes of metal gear solid 4, but its a bit rediculous.

The only thing we can do as hardcore gamers is buy the hardcore tailored games. be it ninja gaiden or a JRPG like lost odyssey. Personally I've dismissed the Wii as a kid console which is great if your a parent and you want to entertain your kids safely and cheaply.
Anus Mcphanus's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:39
Anus Mcphanus
"Casual gamers" have always existed. It's only now that there's exponential growth in the market thanks to the wii that everyone is taking notice. Sales in that area will tail off eventually and hopefully we'll see more "hardcore games" doing better when it happens.

Let's not forget though that there are some really good casual games around like Boom Blox and Buzz
NobodysDream's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:44
NobodysDream
Jim is right about everything. Ever.

"Mainstream" is not a synonym for shit, but more often than not shit comes from the mainstream. It is not unreasonable for a people to expect more from culture than a perpetual flood of mediocrity. When people say,"Bioshock is over the head of most players," or that a game needs to be 'simplified' to "appeal to the masses," all I hear is condescension and scorn. You are not fucking empowering a new generation of gamers. What you are doing is calling us a bunch of dumb fucks whose only joy in life is waving a remote wildly in the air pretending to stoke a fire.

When they say,"most people can't play games like Portal," remember what they really mean: We believe people are stupid, so we are dumbing down our culture to appeal to stupidity.
killias2's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:46
killias2
You were right about one thing: the big difference here is really between GOOD and SHIT games. However, you can smell the PS3/360 fanboyism right under the surface. Just because I bought a Wii to compliment my PC gaming rig doesn't mean I'm a casual gamer. I like good games. I also like variety.

What games actually sell for the Wii? Besides Wii Sports (which comes with the system) and Wii Play (which comes with a wiimote), the top sellers are Super Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart Wii, Super Smash Bros Brawl, Mario Party 8, Wii Fit, and Zelda. Sure Wii Fit is hardly hardcore, but it's certainly unique. Mario Party 8 is a wagglefest, but I still like playing it with friends. Other than that, these games are your standard good first party Nintendo games.

Basically, the Wii has lots of shit games, but, for the most part, they aren't the games that sell. Once developers realize that SHIT doesn't sell no matter how you package it, I think you'll get more interesting games on the Wii. The Wii isn't the problem. The problem has been developers not understanding how to utilize the Wii. As their shit continues to bomb, I think you'll see more innovation there.
cjpkiller's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:52
cjpkiller
fuck "casual" games
LONG LIVE SHMUUUPPPPSSSSS!!!!!!
and giant robot games.
e-roder's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:53
e-roder
So you're saying you can't write a game with some depth for the Wii? And it's not as if the 360 (Burger King for one) and PS3 (launch lineup) don't have their share of slag. Every single flash game on the internet is 'casual bullshit' but you're not hating on the PC. Simplifying player input is not synonymous with simplifying or dumbing-down gameplay, and thinking so is just simple minded.
A Humble Mr Perfect's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/07/2008 10:53
A Humble Mr Perfect
@doomtrain: I both agree and disagree with you.

The wii has cancer, but it isn't cancer. The third-party suckfests are overwhelming the sensibility of the new consumer, since they have no point of reference.

However, the basic point that Jim missed is that new people WHO HAVE NEVER PLAYED A GAME BEFORE are being asked to choose without a clue.

It's like going to a videostore without ever having seen a movie, and randomly picking one because of the box art or the taglines on the back. Most of the time, the crappier titles have better box-art.
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