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Interesting. Modnation Racers was a perfect idea but a flawed execution. I am willing to give United Front another shot with this though some things I read on this preview looked good some not so good about this.
First there was this, then that battle royale thing. What other Nintendo concept is Sony going to rip-off next? Next thing you know, they'll implement motion-gaming--oh wait.
Infrastructure is the big question. MNR failed based on its own inability to handle its ambitions. The game took forever to load the custom tracks and every custom kart/racer. More time was spent on the loading screen than anything else. Considering it's never been fixed in MNR, I have no reason to believe LBP Karting will be any better. I'd have more faith if it was MM's game, or if both had explicitly stated it was MM's infrastructure.
Oh dear, not the kart racer years!
This means the little Blu Ray wonder have entered the final stages of its life cycle.
This means the little Blu Ray wonder have entered the final stages of its life cycle.
@Rammstein - Sony have been doing Kart games off their big franchises for years... Where were you when Crash Team Racing happened? And besides, Mario Kart is dead as fuck. The ridiculous amount of creatable content LBP is gonna bring to the genre is gonna blow it apart, and I say that as someone who doesn't even have a ps3 or like kart games.
hmmm i guess mod nation racers didnt do good enough? i did want to play that, but all the complaints about it turned me off. maybe this will have better loading times etc. very curious in deed.
@Ramm - The only problem with the doing Move was when Wiimotes were first introduced, Sony mocked the concept. When it became marketable, they shut the fuck up and made their own.
Well, that and Move not having much in the way of game to support it. The two "lesser" motion control concepts have had far more success.
Well, that and Move not having much in the way of game to support it. The two "lesser" motion control concepts have had far more success.
@Tin Man,
yeah, cause LBP did wonders for platforms..oh wait, it was BROKEN AS FUCK and nearly UNPLAYABLE for everyone that wasn't a masochist. not a single game made by sony that was ripping off Nintendo's franchise turned out good, EVER. Modnation had terrible loadings, bugs, atrocious AI and rubber-bending(people pick on Mario Kart Wii's Ai and rubber bending after playing that crappy knock-off, REALLY?). i doubt this one will be any better - it will be another LBP - good level editor and down right insulting game.
yeah, cause LBP did wonders for platforms..oh wait, it was BROKEN AS FUCK and nearly UNPLAYABLE for everyone that wasn't a masochist. not a single game made by sony that was ripping off Nintendo's franchise turned out good, EVER. Modnation had terrible loadings, bugs, atrocious AI and rubber-bending(people pick on Mario Kart Wii's Ai and rubber bending after playing that crappy knock-off, REALLY?). i doubt this one will be any better - it will be another LBP - good level editor and down right insulting game.
@The Silent Protagonist,
actually the problem was that they mocked Wiimote for lack of precision and shovelware games made by 3rd parties for 3 years straight just to release Move which isn't more precise than Wiimote+ with games that made first generation Wii shovelware titles they mocked so much look like Portal 2.
actually the problem was that they mocked Wiimote for lack of precision and shovelware games made by 3rd parties for 3 years straight just to release Move which isn't more precise than Wiimote+ with games that made first generation Wii shovelware titles they mocked so much look like Portal 2.
@Tin Man: I was playing Mario Kart 64. I defy you to name a kart racer that isn't Crash Team Racing without having to google it. I just did and didn't find ANY other "Sony franchises" with kart racers other than Crash. NICE TRY BROSEPH.
@fetusmilk
Modnation Racers was not an openly bad game but it is definitely a game where the idea was better than the game itself. The editor is fantastic, if a little bitchy when it comes to bridges, and the problem is the actual racing is just not fun. Not even counting the load times.
The karts themselves can barely turn because the whole game is built on the idea that you are always drifting and snaking but while in other karting games these moves would be skillfull maneuvers in Modnation it is so essential that it is no longer a skill. So much so that the handbrake button is really the "slide all the time" button. You will literally be sliding sideways through 90% of a track because that is just the way it is designed.
The weapons themselves are way too imbalanced. Is is too easy to get a 'tier 3' power up which are all nearly unavoidable-blue shell level attacks. Players can use a shield to defend which dips into their boost meter which means almost no one ever uses manual boost since you always need to have your shield ready for some bullshit attack.
Custom tracks do not contribute to your racing exp. This was stupid because then there became no incentive for average players race on them and waiting for a custom race to fill up was longer than the load time.
I wanted to love the game. Mariokart + editing tools is a formula for success but I do not feel Modnation actually achieved in being a fun racing game.
Again a fantastic editor with terrible hockey puck race car handling.
Modnation Racers was not an openly bad game but it is definitely a game where the idea was better than the game itself. The editor is fantastic, if a little bitchy when it comes to bridges, and the problem is the actual racing is just not fun. Not even counting the load times.
The karts themselves can barely turn because the whole game is built on the idea that you are always drifting and snaking but while in other karting games these moves would be skillfull maneuvers in Modnation it is so essential that it is no longer a skill. So much so that the handbrake button is really the "slide all the time" button. You will literally be sliding sideways through 90% of a track because that is just the way it is designed.
The weapons themselves are way too imbalanced. Is is too easy to get a 'tier 3' power up which are all nearly unavoidable-blue shell level attacks. Players can use a shield to defend which dips into their boost meter which means almost no one ever uses manual boost since you always need to have your shield ready for some bullshit attack.
Custom tracks do not contribute to your racing exp. This was stupid because then there became no incentive for average players race on them and waiting for a custom race to fill up was longer than the load time.
I wanted to love the game. Mariokart + editing tools is a formula for success but I do not feel Modnation actually achieved in being a fun racing game.
Again a fantastic editor with terrible hockey puck race car handling.
As long as the load times aren't ripped from the Modnation engine I'm on board. @sofik, its ruber-bAnding, clue's in the word son.
Holy crap. I never owned a Playstation because I had all I ever needed with the NES/SNES/N64 but are those the type of god-awful games that permeated the original PSX?
#WORSEthanAIDS
#WORSEthanAIDS
what ruined Modnation for me was the god awful super rubberbanding/ultra being AI the other players had. If that makes a return in this game, then it doesnt matter whats in the game, its already bad.
Yeah, @Ramm it's kinda hard to say this is a sudden turn of heart for Sony, they've had the Kart racer in their library for years, this is quite literally nothing new for them...
(also, Jak got one)
(also, Jak got one)
@Ramm - I'll play ball. Honestly, off the top of my head, there were multiple crash kart games, so I'll chuck Nitro racing alongside CTR, and Chocobo Racing was basically a Kart game if you look past the omission of actual karts... Maybe there are some I can't remember, but that doesn't cancel my point though. You're bucking like the idea of Sony Kart games is some new thing and Nintendo are the only ones allowed to do it. So no. Also, what's with the "" around sony franchises?
Also, -
"are those the type of god-awful games that permeated the original PSX?", no, there were literally hundreds of complete gems. But console fanboy wars are fucking retarded so I'm stepping back from that one.
Oh cool, Sofik talked a load of poop at me. Does that mean I'm one of the guys now or what?
Also, -
"are those the type of god-awful games that permeated the original PSX?", no, there were literally hundreds of complete gems. But console fanboy wars are fucking retarded so I'm stepping back from that one.
Oh cool, Sofik talked a load of poop at me. Does that mean I'm one of the guys now or what?
@sofik What parts of LBP were broken and unplayable? I've played every LBP game to date, and have yet to find anything broken or unplayable about it. Its a fun and quirky platformer that excels at UGC. You either haven't played them or you are just expecting it to be something its not... its never tried to be Mario, and I appreciate that. As for the move, it is FAR more precise than the motion+ and has far better quality titles than the shovelware titles. Yes there are shovelware titles, but play R3, KZ3, Infamous 2, and Heavy Rain with the move and tell me it isn't more precise and better implemented than wii. There are fewer titles overall, but the ratio of crap to gold is much better on ps3
Also, crash had 3 cart racers, bomberman had one, jak had one, sonic had one, we had modnation recently... besides that, cart racing was invented by Crashing Race in 1976. Over 15 years before Mario Kart.
Oh come the fuck on Sony. This is why the company is a sinking ship. Absolutely zero creativity or originality.
This is what Mod Nation racers should have been off the bat......LBP is just a better property to take advantage of kart racing.
While not entirely original this year (see the Super Smash Bros. clone) ....at least SONY is providing some actual exclusive games to look forward too.
While not entirely original this year (see the Super Smash Bros. clone) ....at least SONY is providing some actual exclusive games to look forward too.
I actually played Crashing Race at an arcade back in the late 80's. I know its not exactly the definition of cart racing that Mario is, but the premise is definitely there. I'm not sure if you wrote this article, but I just read it after you mentioned it and it pretty well proves the point. Nintendo didn't invent anything, they are just the most successful at what they do.
@billy balls,
1. messed up physics, horrible lag in button input, problems with switching between each one of the places in levels, broken jumping. that's just the beginning.
2. Move is not precise at all - hell, half the time it can't even be recognized by ps3 properly. there wasn't released a single shooter on ps3 that was as precise and as good as Metroid Prime 3. hell, aside from shovelware minigame collections there's no core exclusive title made for Move, let alone a decent one. you're listing games were sony patched Move controls in as an afterthought and it's not even on par with Motion+ - so no those aren't quality titles because they weren't made FOR the Move(and even 2/3 of those type of games don't work with the Move - Mag, Socom 4 etc.). the fact that Move has problems with Wii ports proofs that it simply doesn't work properly and was rushed and desperate attempt at gaining some of Wii's userbase.
1. messed up physics, horrible lag in button input, problems with switching between each one of the places in levels, broken jumping. that's just the beginning.
2. Move is not precise at all - hell, half the time it can't even be recognized by ps3 properly. there wasn't released a single shooter on ps3 that was as precise and as good as Metroid Prime 3. hell, aside from shovelware minigame collections there's no core exclusive title made for Move, let alone a decent one. you're listing games were sony patched Move controls in as an afterthought and it's not even on par with Motion+ - so no those aren't quality titles because they weren't made FOR the Move(and even 2/3 of those type of games don't work with the Move - Mag, Socom 4 etc.). the fact that Move has problems with Wii ports proofs that it simply doesn't work properly and was rushed and desperate attempt at gaining some of Wii's userbase.
And for the record Sofik can have whatever opinion he wants. But when he starts acting like is opinion is fact (which he does frequently) is when he can go fuck himself. And lets not get into the "copying Nintendo bullshit" because its really bullshit and only nintendo should fucking care.
@sofik The physics are fine, the jumps are floaty and there is no lag in button input that I'm aware of. Its not meant to be some super-precise hardcore platformer. The fact that my seven year old son can casually ace levels after some practice is proof that the game is accessible yet challenging. Just because its not exactly the way you think it should be doesn't mean its broken. Furthermore, if the move isn't detected by the ps3 half the time, you may have a defective move. I have two move wands, and both are always recognized and work great. I've played No More Heroes and Dead Space Extraction on both move and ps3, and save for the occasional oversight that comes WITH ALL PORTS, they have been superior to the wii. KZ3, R3, and Socom all shipped with move support, so I don't know why you think they weren't built with the move in mind. Just because a wii game allows you to use the classic controller doesn't mean the motion controls are tacked on. Your logic is highly biased, and I honestly believe you get your info about the move and lbp from console flamewar forums, not from actual experience with either product. Move uses 1:1 tracking and button input, thereby allowing to do what the kinect does well and what the wiimote does well.
Oh Sofik, you've never even used a Move. Your reality-blinders make you incapable of the feat. In a way, I feel sorry for you. You're so desperate for attention, that this seems to be your only outlet.
Lol looks like I was the only one unaware of how stupid it is to try and debate with sofik. Lesson learned!
I hope its more fun than MNR. The racing just felt lacking. Oh and Sofik88... sorry but I have a move and its not so surprisingly far better than the Wii mote. Honestly the Wii mote was nothing more than a cap beta test, even with the gimmicky crap motion plus its pathetic compared to the accuracy of the move. I don't see the big deal, the Wii was neat when it first came out, its just even more inferior now.
So I am assuming the people calling out sony for "copying" dont play games these days period. I swear almost every game I play these days is a copy of something else. wtf is wrong with people?
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