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sony deserves everything they're getting and more for trying to destroy YOUR ownership rights and their criminal negligence for not protecting YOUR data that you entrusted to them: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-psn-security-scandal
@fortiori,
And what do the hackers deserve? A medal for making it so my shit doesn't work? No thanks. Sony may deserve this, they may not. But don't act like the hackers here are somehow the good guys.
And what do the hackers deserve? A medal for making it so my shit doesn't work? No thanks. Sony may deserve this, they may not. But don't act like the hackers here are somehow the good guys.
@fortiori: In case you didn't notice, hackers have attacked all of us, not just Sony. They stole these points from user accounts. What did they do to deserve that? What about their ownership rights? They paid for the points.
Get that bullshit out of here.
Get that bullshit out of here.
In the words of Ringo Starr "I'm warning you with peace and love, but this is getting ridiculous. Peace and love. Peace and love."
@fortiori,
umm, right about the time you said Sony deserved all of this and MORE. That pretty much sounds like you're saying, "Please, step right up and do some more damage!" No?
umm, right about the time you said Sony deserved all of this and MORE. That pretty much sounds like you're saying, "Please, step right up and do some more damage!" No?
@Shinta did i say that the users deserved to loose a few binary ones and zeros that can be replaced with no cost by sony? Stop putting words in my mouth.
Well, you know what I think? I LIKE REGULAR SHOW BEFORE IT WAS MAINSTREAM!!!
For serious, I must of watched the pilot on Youtube about 50 times and this was months before the show even really started and Jim comes on with all this as if he's the biggest fan. Jim, you can have Adventure Time but Regular Show is mine damn! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm71-ZJHiVQ
Oh yeah Sony being hacked and stuff.
For serious, I must of watched the pilot on Youtube about 50 times and this was months before the show even really started and Jim comes on with all this as if he's the biggest fan. Jim, you can have Adventure Time but Regular Show is mine damn! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm71-ZJHiVQ
Oh yeah Sony being hacked and stuff.
@fortiori
About the time you cited just about every reason these hackers are having a go at Sony in the first place. And hacking games on PSN and stealing from the PSN store is NOT ownership rights you moron.
About the time you cited just about every reason these hackers are having a go at Sony in the first place. And hacking games on PSN and stealing from the PSN store is NOT ownership rights you moron.
@fortiori: If you say the hackers are doing the right thing here, then that is exactly what you are saying. Here's a thought ... don't declare that you support them if you don't like all their actions. Because without a doubt, they are attacking all Playstation users, who don't deserve any of this shit.
@RockWallofMight359, do you even know why all this was started in the first place? It's because Sony was trying to decide what you can and cannot do with something you own.
@Shinta, jesus crhist man, i didn't say i supported them. I said sony deserves what they get. What about that don't you understand. I didn't support the Iraq war, but Saddam was a bastard who deserved to be prosecuted. Do you understand what nuance means?
@ Fortiori
In your eyes Sony has done bad thing, but there better ways to handle it then hacking their systems. You can try not buying their products - I hear that really works.
In your eyes Sony has done bad thing, but there better ways to handle it then hacking their systems. You can try not buying their products - I hear that really works.
@fortiori,
OK, now we're getting somewhere! So if Sony Deserves more... who do you suggest dishes them out more? Who are you going to call upon to achieve this most noble goal?
On a side note, by wanting Sony to be attacked even more.. you're putting consumers right in the line of fire. Why do you want that?
OK, now we're getting somewhere! So if Sony Deserves more... who do you suggest dishes them out more? Who are you going to call upon to achieve this most noble goal?
On a side note, by wanting Sony to be attacked even more.. you're putting consumers right in the line of fire. Why do you want that?
@ Fortiori
Plus, - most - people who hack their systems do it to pirate games. It's sad, but true. Did you notice I used the word "most", not all?
Plus, - most - people who hack their systems do it to pirate games. It's sad, but true. Did you notice I used the word "most", not all?
@Fotiori
You do realize that by say Sony deserves more "punishment" you're giving out a HUGE eff you to the people who develop on their platform and every employee at Sony who needs to put bread on their table? Sony doesn't deserve this and neither do the guys who make a living making games on the Playstation store.
You do realize that by say Sony deserves more "punishment" you're giving out a HUGE eff you to the people who develop on their platform and every employee at Sony who needs to put bread on their table? Sony doesn't deserve this and neither do the guys who make a living making games on the Playstation store.
@runtheplacered, ok, again with the nuance: Sony deserves damage for what they have done, not their users. They need to be held accountable for their actions so they stop what they are trying to achieve (trying to destroy our ownership rights). You're confusing the how with the goal.
We need to have this conversation. Everyone needs to understand the implications of what Sony is trying to do. The hackers have helped make the conversation possible on a wide scale by their actions. Their actions have resulted in something good. Collateral damage is bad, but any general will tell you it is necessary in a war.
Do i support the collateral damage the hackers are causing to the user, no.
We need to have this conversation. Everyone needs to understand the implications of what Sony is trying to do. The hackers have helped make the conversation possible on a wide scale by their actions. Their actions have resulted in something good. Collateral damage is bad, but any general will tell you it is necessary in a war.
Do i support the collateral damage the hackers are causing to the user, no.
@ fortiori,
I think this is your problem. You expect to be able to say something but have no "words" put into your mouth. But, in actuality it's not words in your mouth at all. It's called inference. I can infer all sorts of stuff just from you saying a little bit. And it's clear as day that if you find attacking Sony to be glorious then there is glory to be found in being a hacker who is attacking Sony. I can also infer that you don't give a shit about John Doe Consumer because you're willing to fuck him over just to get at Sony.
So, one of two things are happening here. You're either being extremely illogical in how you want Sony dealt with or you're being careless with your feelings. There's really not to many other ways of looking at this.
I think this is your problem. You expect to be able to say something but have no "words" put into your mouth. But, in actuality it's not words in your mouth at all. It's called inference. I can infer all sorts of stuff just from you saying a little bit. And it's clear as day that if you find attacking Sony to be glorious then there is glory to be found in being a hacker who is attacking Sony. I can also infer that you don't give a shit about John Doe Consumer because you're willing to fuck him over just to get at Sony.
So, one of two things are happening here. You're either being extremely illogical in how you want Sony dealt with or you're being careless with your feelings. There's really not to many other ways of looking at this.
@CuzinNiko,
You are right there is collateral damage. I would guess that there has been collateral damage in every war that has ever taken place. There was collateral damage in WWII, but would you really rather live in a world in which the axis won because we were so worried about the collateral damage we did nothing to stop them?
You are right there is collateral damage. I would guess that there has been collateral damage in every war that has ever taken place. There was collateral damage in WWII, but would you really rather live in a world in which the axis won because we were so worried about the collateral damage we did nothing to stop them?
well... I guess the bright side is that if they continue attacking then they are leaving more information that can be used to somehow track them.
I do hope that if they catch any of these hackers that they end up being persecuted in criminal court (rather than civil) and I hope they end up doing some prison time with a big cellmate who's gonna be the "man" in the relationship.
I do hope that if they catch any of these hackers that they end up being persecuted in criminal court (rather than civil) and I hope they end up doing some prison time with a big cellmate who's gonna be the "man" in the relationship.
@ Fortiori
The only people who care about what they can do with their systems are hackers. I don't and I'm pretty sure the majority doesn't as well. The PS3 is fine the way it is. The hell the I want to mod it for? I don't even have the knowledge to do that.
The only people who care about what they can do with their systems are hackers. I don't and I'm pretty sure the majority doesn't as well. The PS3 is fine the way it is. The hell the I want to mod it for? I don't even have the knowledge to do that.
@ fortiori,
Oops, I wrote my last thing out before you wrote that.. Although it still stands..
"Do i support the collateral damage the hackers are causing to the user, no."
You keep saying "nuanced" and that I'm somehow the one confusing the "how" with the goal.. but that's exactly the point, in my eyes. Far before Sony should be dealt with, the consumers are the ones that should be looked after. To use your Saddam Hussein reference.. If the only way to get at Saddam is to kill thousands of innocent men and women.. then guess what? You don't get to kill Saddam. That would be called "wrong", not "nuanced".
And the same logic can be applied here. The hackers may think they're acting on lofty goals, but by fucking everybody else over whatever goals they had in mind are now a moot point as their collateral damage far outweighs anything Sony has done. Hence, Sony is no longer the bad guy in this scenario.
Oops, I wrote my last thing out before you wrote that.. Although it still stands..
"Do i support the collateral damage the hackers are causing to the user, no."
You keep saying "nuanced" and that I'm somehow the one confusing the "how" with the goal.. but that's exactly the point, in my eyes. Far before Sony should be dealt with, the consumers are the ones that should be looked after. To use your Saddam Hussein reference.. If the only way to get at Saddam is to kill thousands of innocent men and women.. then guess what? You don't get to kill Saddam. That would be called "wrong", not "nuanced".
And the same logic can be applied here. The hackers may think they're acting on lofty goals, but by fucking everybody else over whatever goals they had in mind are now a moot point as their collateral damage far outweighs anything Sony has done. Hence, Sony is no longer the bad guy in this scenario.
@runtheplacered, infer away, it doesn't make you correct. I do care about the end user, that's why i'm glad sony was damaged for their actions. i'm want the end users ownership rights protected.
@Fotiori One problem with your statement, this isn't a war, this is a videogame buisness company. How would you like it if you were just about to release a game that will bring your only source of income for a few months and then out of the blue, the network shuts down and you lose all your hard work and profits. Plus, the hackers aren't "heroes" who are fighting against the "man". Just enjoy your games and get on with it.
I'm plain tempted to just buy prepaid cards for everything. PSN, XBL, Wii...Hell why stop with consoles...I think I'll just buy AMEX gift cards with cash and use that to pay for every online transaction
Fuck! I wish they anonymous realize that nobody gives a fuck about their damn fool idealistic crusade.
@runtheplacered, they did get Saddam by killing thousands of innocents. Does that make it right, no. Am i glad they got him anyway, yes. I'm not following you.
@ fortiori,
"i'm want the end users ownership rights protected."
But not their credit card numbers?
Let me guess.. nuanced?
"i'm want the end users ownership rights protected."
But not their credit card numbers?
Let me guess.. nuanced?
fortiori: Here is a idea dont buy their shit problem solved. They are not forcing to buy buy their products. I will never understand Corporation (at least corporations that only sells luxury items that are not needed unlike things like medicine) hate. You dont like what they are doing, dont buy from them. Vote with your dollars.
I really can't bleieve that anyone would say Sony deserves ANY of this. They know they messed up, they admitted it. You know what though? They are TRYING to fix it and make amends. They knew how much gamers wanted the play online... I mean don't you realize how many PS3 owners were just complaining up the wazoo that they couldn't play their COD BLACK OPS and saying, "WHEN IS DA PSN GUNNA BE BACK UPZ!" So Sony worked long and hard to get it back up as soon as possible. Hell they put together an identity theft program you can sign up for free. They worked and are still working on fixing the security issues with the PSN. Apparently though, people are just ridiculous and want to hold a grudge. Have you not even noticed that Sony pretty much hates hackers and have been doing alot (I mean alot) to defend against them? Such as when they sued Geohotz. Hackers were basically butt hurt by Sony. THAT is the main reason they hacked the network to begin with... to get back at Sony for messing with them. They have no legit reason once so ever for hacking. Give Sony a break for gods sake. People are like rabid animals I swear.
Fotiori... perhaps you should be careful in the way you word your posts.
Fotiori... perhaps you should be careful in the way you word your posts.
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