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@Magnalon
Word. Panzer Dragoon, Deathsmiles, Ilaruga...just give us some more of those, Japan. Especially Panzer Dragoon.
Word. Panzer Dragoon, Deathsmiles, Ilaruga...just give us some more of those, Japan. Especially Panzer Dragoon.
I like that someone is actually trying to make a game that feels Japanese, instead of all those Japanese developers trying to appeal at the western market.
So basically he's saying that he wants to make games with incomprehensible stories and stupid looking character designs. That doesn't make a good fighting game, Gameplay does. That's what's got me worried about a Persona 4 fighting game. I loved the story and the characters in Persona 4. Never did I say I hope they turn this into a fighting game.
Honestly the only company that I would have given this game to is Netherrealm. Mortal Kombat's story mode was great. I'm not just basing that on fighting game standards. It was a well designed well paced story which took me completely by surprise. I would give it to them so they make a great single player experience with strong multiplayer to boot.
Honestly Netherrealm has made great strides in the fighting game genre while Japanese developers are still stuck in the 90s.
Honestly the only company that I would have given this game to is Netherrealm. Mortal Kombat's story mode was great. I'm not just basing that on fighting game standards. It was a well designed well paced story which took me completely by surprise. I would give it to them so they make a great single player experience with strong multiplayer to boot.
Honestly Netherrealm has made great strides in the fighting game genre while Japanese developers are still stuck in the 90s.
@able to think
Well spoken rant from someone whose clearly never played a fighter beyond TEH STRETT FUGHTUR
Well spoken rant from someone whose clearly never played a fighter beyond TEH STRETT FUGHTUR
@able: are you saying Japanese fighters aren't as good as mk? I'm a huge mk fanboy, but dude.... Tekken, sf, gg, blazblue, mvc and kof all say hi. Is put almost all if those technically on par with mk and many surpass it. Technically. Story wise you have a point.
@able to think
If gameplay makes the fighter, then Arc System Works is fine. They're pretty consistent on delivering some of the best fighters. BlazBlue and Guilty Gear are incredibly technical, highly polished and very popular fighting games. ASW also made some great licensed fighting games like Fist of the North Star for PS2.
And then you mention Netherrealm....who has a history of producing a single game. MK9 isn't really bad, but it isn't the best in the gameplay department, and it is the 9th installment of a fighting game series that is rather well known for the fact that it sells using gimmicks such as hyper violence. The MK series has historically been pretty lacking in the game play department. If MK9 is "great strides", while Street Fighter, Melty Blood, Blazblue and Guilty Gear is "stuck in the 90s", I'd prefer to be stuck in the 90's with them.
If gameplay makes the fighter, then Arc System Works is fine. They're pretty consistent on delivering some of the best fighters. BlazBlue and Guilty Gear are incredibly technical, highly polished and very popular fighting games. ASW also made some great licensed fighting games like Fist of the North Star for PS2.
And then you mention Netherrealm....who has a history of producing a single game. MK9 isn't really bad, but it isn't the best in the gameplay department, and it is the 9th installment of a fighting game series that is rather well known for the fact that it sells using gimmicks such as hyper violence. The MK series has historically been pretty lacking in the game play department. If MK9 is "great strides", while Street Fighter, Melty Blood, Blazblue and Guilty Gear is "stuck in the 90s", I'd prefer to be stuck in the 90's with them.
@able to think
TROLOLOLOLO
get the fuck out with that bullshit.
MK??? MK will never ever top any of the top fighting games that were released in japan.
Tekken Tag 2,Virtua Fighter 5,Soul Calibur V,The King of Fighters XIII,Blazblue,Super Street Fighter IV AE.
and classics like Samurai Shodown Series,KO98UM,2002UM,Guilty Gear Accent Core, and many more.
"Honestly Netherrealm has made great strides in the fighting game genre"
how??? lol im sorry but i think your talking way way up your ass.
and Blazblue actually shits on MK story. the only reason people like you don't like it is because of the "stupid character" design crap hur durrr.
play those games and come back if MK has made any impact in the fighting game genre in any fucking way.
TROLOLOLOLO
get the fuck out with that bullshit.
MK??? MK will never ever top any of the top fighting games that were released in japan.
Tekken Tag 2,Virtua Fighter 5,Soul Calibur V,The King of Fighters XIII,Blazblue,Super Street Fighter IV AE.
and classics like Samurai Shodown Series,KO98UM,2002UM,Guilty Gear Accent Core, and many more.
"Honestly Netherrealm has made great strides in the fighting game genre"
how??? lol im sorry but i think your talking way way up your ass.
and Blazblue actually shits on MK story. the only reason people like you don't like it is because of the "stupid character" design crap hur durrr.
play those games and come back if MK has made any impact in the fighting game genre in any fucking way.
Mortal Kombat proves that even The West can make a fighting game for the masses and fans alike. I'm looking forward to Persona 4 TUiMA, but I can't see it having much appeal to anyone but Persona 4 fans. If I can get my friends to play it with me, then they will be catching up to what the west has done.
@seventhevening
The thing that Mortal Kombat brought to the table was quality, open gameplay, content, tons of great characters, and awesome DLC as well as free DLC. Capcom and Arcsystem, while I do love their games, are very bare bones in the terms of open gameplay, and Capcom with content. They are very dial a combo and memorization really alienating new players from ever playing with the experts. I will always love Mortal Kombat 9 for that reason, it made that game completely accessible to almost everyone. My friends are able to jump right in with me and have a damn good time and I am too, where as in Street Fighter/BlazBlue I have to curve my skills on almost everyone I play. If they could make SF and BlazBlue more accessible in more then just PvC fights I'd be more inclined to agree that they were the better fighters, but I think MK wins that award on all fronts.
The thing that Mortal Kombat brought to the table was quality, open gameplay, content, tons of great characters, and awesome DLC as well as free DLC. Capcom and Arcsystem, while I do love their games, are very bare bones in the terms of open gameplay, and Capcom with content. They are very dial a combo and memorization really alienating new players from ever playing with the experts. I will always love Mortal Kombat 9 for that reason, it made that game completely accessible to almost everyone. My friends are able to jump right in with me and have a damn good time and I am too, where as in Street Fighter/BlazBlue I have to curve my skills on almost everyone I play. If they could make SF and BlazBlue more accessible in more then just PvC fights I'd be more inclined to agree that they were the better fighters, but I think MK wins that award on all fronts.
"but I want it such that the fighters we make can't be duplicated by overseas developers."
No offense to them, but maybe they need to look to their own country for that too, if they're worrying as much as they seem to be about this, since Japan makes far more fighting games then the west seems too.. I mean what do we even have these days besides Mortal Kombat?
No offense to them, but maybe they need to look to their own country for that too, if they're worrying as much as they seem to be about this, since Japan makes far more fighting games then the west seems too.. I mean what do we even have these days besides Mortal Kombat?
"If we don't try new things and evolve, we'll be left behind. That's why we're cranking out shitty 2d games that still play like it's 1996"
"If we don't try new things and evolve, we'll be left behind! So let's keep doing the same things over and over again!"
Flawless logic.
Flawless logic.
I'm sorry, but in fighters, memorizing combos isn't a win button. If you can do a highly damaging combo, sure, that's cool, but it doesn't mean shit if you can't ever land that combo against an actual opponent. Hell, MK has combos that last longer and do a lot more damage than combos in Street Fighter.
Japan is tops in action games. There are too many fucking QTE's in American action titles( sadly, the Japanese are picking up on this trend as well). Also, while I love GOW and Castlevania LOS; The American style action game also needs deeper fighting systems. These are the only things at which I believe that Japan exceeds.
It breaks my heart that Devil may cry is getting turned into another boring hack and slasher.
It breaks my heart that Devil may cry is getting turned into another boring hack and slasher.
@Karavision
I completely agree... up until the new Devil May Cry. It's not out yet and from most of the videos I have watched it may be pretty decent.. granted I STILL think Dantes new look is just awful. It still is beyond me why you would take everything about a character that made him unique and cool and throw it out the window, also, terrible looking devil trigger, but everything else looks fantastic.
I completely agree... up until the new Devil May Cry. It's not out yet and from most of the videos I have watched it may be pretty decent.. granted I STILL think Dantes new look is just awful. It still is beyond me why you would take everything about a character that made him unique and cool and throw it out the window, also, terrible looking devil trigger, but everything else looks fantastic.
The most Japanese looking game you've ever seen? You don't know what you're saying Dale. I'm sure you've played WAY more "Japanese" games than this.
While he seems to be quite the troll, I can sympathize with able to think. Seeing as this game is canon, it's likely to ruin the plot Persona 4 worked hard to build. I mean come on, "lets come together and fight for no reason" is what it sounds like so far. I'm hoping that isn't the case. What I don't agree with is MK being better than fighters from Japan, that's a good joke. Skullgirls looks VERY promising so far though, I can definitely see that being pretty good.
While he seems to be quite the troll, I can sympathize with able to think. Seeing as this game is canon, it's likely to ruin the plot Persona 4 worked hard to build. I mean come on, "lets come together and fight for no reason" is what it sounds like so far. I'm hoping that isn't the case. What I don't agree with is MK being better than fighters from Japan, that's a good joke. Skullgirls looks VERY promising so far though, I can definitely see that being pretty good.
@able: are you saying Japanese fighters aren't as good as mk? I'm a huge mk fanboy, but dude.... Tekken, sf, gg, blazblue, mvc and kof all say hi. Is put almost all if those technically on par with mk and many surpass it. Technically. Story wise you have a point.
@PhilK3nS3bb3n I'm not saying their mechanics aren't as good or even better the MK in some cases. I'm saying they are still only offering what they did in the 90s as far as features.
MK has more stuff to do then MvC or Street Fighter. It has a long single player story mode that is better then any other fighting game. It has the challenge tower which teaches different ways to play. While the online was broken the first few months the king of the hill mode was freaking awesome.
So no the pure gameplay mechanics aren't as good as lots of other games but MK offers more to do then anything else out there.
The other thing I meant to say before was the big Japanese fighters aren't embracing new technology like DLC and patching. Instead they are releasing a new disk without adding enough to make it worth the price. I'm probably a little butthurt about buying MvC3 and having Ultimate be announced right afterwards but can you blame me? I was promised DLC and got a whopping two characters.
I feel that Japan is too stuck in there ways and aren't trying to do anything different. Think about how awesome it would be for MvC to have a story mode like MKs but penned by someone like Bendis. I just expect more for my money then a few basic modes and uninspired online play.
MK has more stuff to do then MvC or Street Fighter. It has a long single player story mode that is better then any other fighting game. It has the challenge tower which teaches different ways to play. While the online was broken the first few months the king of the hill mode was freaking awesome.
So no the pure gameplay mechanics aren't as good as lots of other games but MK offers more to do then anything else out there.
The other thing I meant to say before was the big Japanese fighters aren't embracing new technology like DLC and patching. Instead they are releasing a new disk without adding enough to make it worth the price. I'm probably a little butthurt about buying MvC3 and having Ultimate be announced right afterwards but can you blame me? I was promised DLC and got a whopping two characters.
I feel that Japan is too stuck in there ways and aren't trying to do anything different. Think about how awesome it would be for MvC to have a story mode like MKs but penned by someone like Bendis. I just expect more for my money then a few basic modes and uninspired online play.
I want this game to have the full Persona 3 cast too, cause I like them better. Mitsuru with her fencing, Akihiko with boxing, IT MAKES SENSE MAN. At least they have Aegis in this I guess... /grumble
Also I'm shit at fighting games unless they're Smash Bros Melee (I tried SF4 but dear God that rabbit hole goes WAY too deep for my liking, I can't even get past those "training" levels), so I hope they have decent entry level controls.
Also I'm shit at fighting games unless they're Smash Bros Melee (I tried SF4 but dear God that rabbit hole goes WAY too deep for my liking, I can't even get past those "training" levels), so I hope they have decent entry level controls.
Make it happen, Arc System Works. I still prefer Capcom's and Namco's fighting games, but no one could duplicate what ASW has done with Guilty Gear and Blazblue. Can't wait to actually try Persona. Until then, I'll be playing Soul Calibur 5 and SFxTK.
@able to think:
Nice save there dude. First comment reeked of troll and blind fanboy. Second comment is well thought out and makes very valid points. Though I'm not what you'd call an avid MK fan (i.e. like almost all other fighting games mentioned here more), I do agree with you that MK9 had alot of fun alt modes that are uncommon in fighting games (I'm looking at you, Test Your Luck).
That being said, I'm hoping Arc will finally come out with a proper sequel to Continuum Shift. I wants to play the Jubei!
Nice save there dude. First comment reeked of troll and blind fanboy. Second comment is well thought out and makes very valid points. Though I'm not what you'd call an avid MK fan (i.e. like almost all other fighting games mentioned here more), I do agree with you that MK9 had alot of fun alt modes that are uncommon in fighting games (I'm looking at you, Test Your Luck).
That being said, I'm hoping Arc will finally come out with a proper sequel to Continuum Shift. I wants to play the Jubei!
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