Red Steel 2 really made me open my eyes to motion-controlled shooters. I really liked how that game played. That could have been the addition of sword combat though. Oh well, the more options the better.

Meh, MAG has had waggle controls for a long while now (since the launch of Move) and I rarely hear of anyone using that method regularly (more just to test it out).

As I've always said, if the Move controller offers benefits to an FPS gamer (like FragFX or other optional inputs), then it might be something I would consider... but so far I'm not getting pwned by wagglers!

I hope guerilla see how many move units are sold aswell as how many copies of Killzone 3 are sold and retract this notion from their heads.

The last thing I want is the next gen consoles being released without proper controllers.

I don't really want a waggle-based FPS anytime soon. Hell, all I want to see is some keyboard and mouse options for games.

Yup only The ps3 can handle such innovative technology never seen else where before PSst God bless you Sony *Fades into dakrness*

I haven't bought move yet but I tried it with Res 5 at a friends house and it worked well. I'd like if all similar games and ps3 fps supported it because it works well and its nice to have options. I'll probably pick up the move heroes bundle next month and see how Killzone 3 plays with it.

I hope this trend doesn't catch on, the nice thing about a console is the ability to lay on the couch, chill and play, wouldn't be as fun if had to wave around that damn magic wand all the time..

nothing beats mouse + keyboard, well maybe a cerebral control interface that plugs into your brain, where you can just think people dead, but apart from that they can pry my mouse out of my cold dead hands

Well RE4 on the Wii was just amazing. Great gun control. Bought RE5 for my PS3 but couldn't play RE5 without that near perfect Wii controller action. Just felt like a HUGE step backwards. Hoping either RE6 has move support or the Nintendo HD system is out or I'll pass on buying it.

Mr. Sterling, you never answered my question. Is Sev still a midget in this game?

Also, is that a Spoiler in the picture?

@Bakewell

As I understand it, adding Move support is very simple, so I see no reason why one would preclude the other.

Move is basically a 3D mouse, not a light-gun, so yeah, if they refine things, I can definitely see some potential here. There is no need for "waggle", just using the pointing mechanics along with a controller movement. It's just a matter of making the system intuitive and non-invasive. Small wrist movements that mimic a right analog stick would be great.

If I was an 8 year old kid playing an FPS for the first time I would want the motion controlled gun but since I'm not I'll be sticking to my controller/mouse, keyboard.

Motion controls might even be more accurate than a gamepad, but I wouldn't really care. A mouse is more "accurate" as well and I still don't want to go back to playing FPS games on a computer. Let them include it, but that won't make me interested.

Analog controllers skill ceiling is too low in first person shooters. Just look at the overall skill in PC first person shooters. It's much much higher than in any console FPS.

So I really hope that something else comes along.

Not saying motion control set-ups are strictly for kids -- I'm just an old gamer stuck in his ways.

I can't rest my hands in my lap with a pointer interface. That means a lot of strain during extended gaming sessions.

I also haven't seen a pointer control that does not have two hardware components. That means more clutter and more cost to gamers.

I also haven't seen a pointer control that is as universally suited to multiple game types as the traditional game pad. Do they expect us to have a traditional game pad and a ponter control? More clutter, more cost, more bullshit.

...that must be some delicious Kool-Aid.

Why does everyone seem to think its either one way or the other? Its just nice that they are including the option of you being able to choose how you want to play.

I would like to try it. I've already read a few reviews where they said that once they got used to using Move with KZ3, they couldn't go back to using the DS3. They compared it to using a mouse on a PC.

@X3Ent3nte I been a gamer for many a year and I love the controller alot more than Mouse and Keyboard ALSO I play TF2 often on PC and I OWNZ with a controller and I Think it's much more comfortable.

@ TXYeti,

"...that must be some delicious Kool-Aid.", said the cultist.

Seriously.. everything you said is null because of the fact that we're talking about having the Move as an optional controller. You don't like it? Don't use it. Either way, please stop the unnecessary whining.

@pokato

I'm aware that one doesn't have to preclude the other, my post was in response to jims question that implied that it would.

"Do you want a future where your arm never stops pointing at drawings of space Nazis?"

^this^ was what I was referring to. Sure it a hypothetical question but I went ahead and answered it anyway.

As long as it remains optional I'm good.

i've been touting motion controls for fps games since the wii was called revolution, so this is a captain obvious to me. the dual stick method with eight buttons is just too damn complicated to be accessible. keep in mind that i'm a long time gamer with plenty of dual stick experience, and i don't own an hd console because of the backwards nature of the controls. point and click interface HAS to overtake dual stick for one reason: point and click controls for shooting are the most immersive, because shooting a gun in real life is a point and click experience (i'm also a military veteran, so i know).

i'm big into goldeneye right now, and i went to a friends place to try out black ops. now BO is a pretty good game, but the controls, like all other hd games, are wonked (technical term). for an experienced fps gamer, i had a really hard time even competing online with the title, let alone getting a killstreak. imagine what it's like for the uninitiated. the current fps games are being made so the same group of people can play the same experience year after year with a new coat of paint. lame. after the experience with BO, we put in goldeneye, and guess what, we were able to play a game mixed with pointer controls and dual stick, and it was fun. an experience we all enjoyed.

i really don't understand the want to continue dual stick controls when point and click is obviously the more immersive experience. also, you can easily have both, as MAG and Goldeneye have shown us. it's an either or situation, not pick and choose. if you want to test my point, find a copy of goldeneye, mag, red steel 2, or even metroid, and tell me dual stick control is more immersive then pointer based control. if you're open minded, you'll see my point.

as long as we have the option to not flail our arms about, i'm all for it. but they need to give these godam games more k&m support (like ut3)!

its there, but devs are so godam lazy to implement it, just like mod support, ps3 supports it fully (ut3). yet they companies like bethseda don't want to give the ps3 a clear advantage over the 360, all the fuck while the 360 gets their dlc first!

i get so fucking mad over the inept decisions to favor one system over the other and say they aren't favoring that system at all!!!

but thats okay, we can mod our own games via hex editor and cfw. another great reason to say "fuck the psn, i can now do what devs and sony won't do for me".

I can see a market for it. I was in the k3 beta the other day and regular control using people wanted the move people in a separate room, they claimed they were too accurate.

@runtheplacered

Wow, such unsolicited and unwarranted hostility. I did not reference any proprietary motion controller. I think the Kinect is just as rubbish as the move is just as rubbish as the wiimote. All parties are guilty here, in my opinion.

Chill the fuck out, guy.

@JnR

But there's no denying that a keyboard/mouse setup allows for greater accuracy and more control.

In any case at least this is moving the boring fps forward. I can't wait for the sharpshooter attachment for move, its going to be crazzzzy, I'm sure it'll be very easy to pullhead shots with it

Regardless of whether it's more accurate, I'm not a fan. So long as they don't ditch normal controllers, I'll be sticking with them.

also, for those who are getting tired arms from pointing: you're doing it wrong.

that, and i've never played an fps with "waggle," so i don't think those comments are coming from a place of experience. seriously guys, start playing your wii again, there are some really compelling experiences to be had with motion control.

I'm playing the open "beta" with Move and I really like it. Getting better and better. Does take some time to get used to it though

...or you could just use a mouse and keyboard...

@mrandydixon

My thoughts exactly. It's just too awkward after years of Playstation and Xbox controllers.

I hope it is added to more games as an option. I know many people don't like it but it would be nice to have the option for people that do.

I Like to use the Wii-mote for FPS's but I think that it's IR not motion controls. There was motion aiming in Bully Wii and it was awful it deterred me from using the slingshot

Cant say anything about move as I haven't tried it but if it plays like Wii IR controls then I might like it.

Believe me when I say I will have my way with a Move Dev kit on a PC, I'll learn basic 3d programming just for that, and come up with the ultimate FPS motion control.. Mwahahahahh!

For all the time and money they waste trying to make motion control a thing, they could have easily added keyboard and mouse support to their games.

Just like SIXAXIS, amirite? Motion controls have their place. That place just doesn't happen to be in FPS games.

I need a way to strafe, turn, and aim all at the same time. figure out how to do that, and I'll play with motion control. Until then, I'll stick to mice, keyboards, and controllers.

I Will admit that Mouse and KB are Accurate But controllers are Comfotable and with a little bit of practice you can over come inaccuracies.

Damn Fugly Duckling ninja'd what I wanted to say :(

Keyboard+Mouse is immortal.

But if I had the option to choose between a wiimote/nunchuk or a controller. Ill stick with controller.

Since I went to Move for MAG and now Killzone 3, I find it impossible to use the imprecise control of the analog sticks. The Move outperforms traditional controls by a long shot - almost to the point where I would consider it cheating. I happily welcome our motion-sensing overlords.

PS: I sincerely promise I would school *anyone* posting on this thread with the Move in an fps.

I could see this as opening the FPS genre for the casual, especially if they put a big goofy gun icon on the cover to let people know.

I think many casual gamers people who otherwise wouldn't bother with a title like Killzone will look at go "oh hey, I'm kinda good at Time Crisis and might like this!"

Great now just fix your fucking open beta. I've got in one game in two days. Really reconsidering a day 1 purchase. Serious server problems. Reminiscent of the gears 2 launch.

They can embrace it all they want, just as long as it's optional.

@BattyAdroit

I sincerely promise I could not care less.

WTF analogue sticks are becoming standard?! After years of playing games with a trackball, there's no way I'm going to adjust to that shit! I'll stick to my trackball thank-you-very-much!

My stance on this is the same as my views on digital distribution.
I'm all for this as long as it's not the ONLY control method. Forcing people to play with motion controls when they prefer a dual shock is ludicrous, just like forcing people into DD when they prefer a physical copy is ludicrous.

It wouldn't be so bad if the game were slower, but I can't see it adapting to something like CoD. Still, choice is important and if people want the option, why not?