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GTA4 details, and why I'm not posting them photo

As you may have noticed, Destructoid has not posted the Achievements yet for GTA4. We also, retracted a little bit of Nick's rumor post earlier and have not added anything else concerning the story or gameplay. Now the question is, "Why?" Let me explain.

We found out some information a few days ago that seemed to be legit. It came from a source that had proven credible in the past but we still decided to take time and put in a little research to make sure that we didn't lead you down the wrong rabbit hole. We realized that if the information was in fact true, that it probably wouldn't be something that Rockstar would want to be public this far ahead of the games April release date. To be fair, we emailed someone at Rockstar letting them know, more or less, some of what we had. While we like to break the news, unlike Paris Hilton, also Paris Hilton, someone unethical,  we have a pretty strong policy against screwing people over to get ahead.

Hit the jump to find out who shot J.R. & BTW, the above picture means "G T Ayyye F+Whore"

After no response from Rockstar, we thought that posting some details of what we were leaked, would be both newsworthy and if true, not overly damaging to GTA4's marketing and to you the gamer, in terms of spoilers. We did not come out in full force because we felt that if these things did have merit, then "Harry Potter goes to wizard school" and "Snape kills Dumbledore", are still two very different things.

I can assure you that no threats were made, no incentives were given, but we did receive a few phone calls. Rockstar takes its security and integrity seriously, even if only a few nuggets of truth make it to the surface. We were not overly pressured but treated with total respect. I was never directly asked to withhold posting more information, but I actually offered to wait until closer to launch. But this still doesn't answer "Why?"

Well, I did this is because first and foremost, I am a gamer. I am not a journalist above that. I do this because I want gaming to be better. I honestly felt like I would be doing something that took away from something that I love. Do you really want to know everything about the games story before you play it? Would you want me to tell you the end of a movie before you see it? By the way, Snape does kill Dumbledore and I think some of them turn out to be gay. This isn't about burning bridges or loosing ad revenue, it was about doing the right thing... and maybe a little about me being a pussy.

I apologize to all of you that really wanted to know more details, but it all boils down to the fact that it just isn't in me. Destructoid will not be the source for GTA4 achievements and/or spoilers unless Rockstar personally gives us the information... or we can Via it from Kotaku. We aren't completely stupid you know?

I can offer you something that I do know for sure. The game is virtually finished on both the PS3 and the Xbox 360. It is in the final stages and only being tweaked ever so slightly to perfect the gameplay. I can also promise you that this will be a great game with a ton of content that you will not go through in one sitting. Now please, make all checks payable to RonWorkman@Destructoid.com.

Thank you,

Greybush








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Puppetpallmich's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 23:27
Puppetpallmich
OMG WTF SPOILERS also aids
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 23:47
Bob Muir
So...doing the opposite of what the Smash Dojo is doing, i.e. leaking every bit of the game before we get to play it. Some people are gonna be upset, but I applaud you for forcing people to go into the experience unaware of the surprises headed their way. Bravo.

madninja's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 23:47
madninja
Space aids? Where!
KamikazeTutor's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 23:48
KamikazeTutor
Kotaku needs to learn decency like this.
Everytime they post leaked stuff, it's like they're spreading aids.


(not leaked, but funny anyway)
Def JM's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 23:49
Def JM
Godspeed, Greybush, Godspeed.
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 23:49
DaedHead8
yay for integrity
taumpytears's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 23:50
taumpytears
Workman probably has GTA 7 by now. Its a phantom exclusive.
bottled dark's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 23:54
bottled dark
this is why i love destructoid.
tazarthayoot's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 23:56
tazarthayoot
Workman would fuck the shit out of Paris Hilton if ever given the opportunity.

Although, in hindsight, I guess he'd be fucking the shit back up into her, right? Because I'm sure she does anal? Get the joke?

Who am I kidding this bitch is so hollowed out that Gregorian Monks use her vagina for vocal practice.
Midknight's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 23:57
Midknight
I'm so glad GTA isn't going to be butchered like Smash Bros has been. Aren't we supposed to play these games rather than just know everything about them before they have even been released? How bad would every MGS game have been if every twist or cool cutscene would have been shoved down your throat 4-5 months in advance. Simple. They would suck.

I don't even like watching trailers for things, so when stuff is leaked, it's like ruining complete chunks of story and content, and that really fucks me off.

Well done to Dtoid, and the community, for taking the high ground on this one.
Ghil's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 23:58
Ghil
wow...that is one of the reasons I keep coming back to this site. bravo for your integrity.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 23:59
EternalDeathSlayer
Yay we took the moral highground. Hooray for morals.

No, really, that was kind of you guys.

That picture sums it all up perfectly, btw. It's win.
Brian Szabelski's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 00:11
Brian Szabelski
Awesome job, Ron. Way to keep the integrity going. :)
13thDragon's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 00:12
13thDragon
Wouldn't it make more sense to post it behind some clickable barrier, for the people who do want to see it?
Xymplx's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 00:14
Xymplx
Wait a minute. What are you up to? You've told us nothing and people
are applauding you for it. That's quite the scam. Good work.
Kryptinite's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 00:14
Kryptinite
how the hell is Snape?
IceMax's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 00:16
IceMax
ZOMG CORPERATE SELLOUTS!!!

oh wait, you guys are actually doing the right thing. Bravo!
Vlambo's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 00:17
Vlambo
/Slow Clap

Slowly turns into /Applause

Then BAM /HUGE CROWD APPLAUSE!

Nice Ron, Way to have integrity.
Magesx's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 00:21
Magesx
GTA4 = Wii Exclusive with DLC
Mr Lazy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 00:24
Mr Lazy
yeah i hate it when you see the achievements and they give away huge plot spoilers. like seeing that you get 10 pts for killing this guy but finding out that the game starts off with him as your friend. ruins the surprise.
topgeargorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 00:32
topgeargorilla
wow there's just so much integrity here. I mean, Ron is now the bastion of journalistic integrity.

I mean, he only has the interest of you guys, right? So let's put this on the front page.

[/sarcasm]
Atlas's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 00:33
Atlas
AIDS? Like monkey aids?
dronkmunk's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 00:42
dronkmunk
Good on you Ron! Now, is this the mystery game that you refused to share info about a ways back?
Cunt's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 00:47
Cunt
The secret is the main game is single or co-op play and co-op will be worked into the main story.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 00:48
king3vbo
Way to go Ron
AfroJoel's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 00:53
AfroJoel
That's awesome. More people should read this.
tazarthayoot's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 00:55
tazarthayoot
I just love the fact there is a username of Cunt. Can we get this guy a medal please?
AfroJoel's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 01:05
AfroJoel
The secret is the main game is single or co-op play and co-op will be worked into the main story.
mistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 01:08
mistic
RON FTW!
StriderS's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 01:11
StriderS
You're a worst troll then Sakurai! That's it, I'm going to Kotaku!
but really tldr
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 01:13
Samit Sarkar
Glad to hear it, Ron. There’s a certain joy that comes with discovering stuff in a game the first time you go through it (and with an open sandbox world like in GTA, new stuff is always cropping up). Good on you for taking the moral, journalistic, and most importantly, gaming high ground.

In your honor, I have named my solo career drummer in Rock Band “Ron NSFWorkmeng”. No bullshit. I just started, so I haven’t been able to pimp you out yet, but rest assured, it will be done.
BahamutZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 01:14
BahamutZero
THE SACRET IS RON GOAT AIDS FROM A VIDEOGAME
ThelolDranger's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 01:50
ThelolDranger
Some people should never be allowed to speak. Not you, Ron, I think what you guys are doing is awesome. Surprises in games are good.

I was thinking more along the lines of what my fellow humans have to say.
ThelolDranger's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 01:53
ThelolDranger
Have to say in the comments section, I meant. And I said humans, because I'm not ready to declare them 'people' just yet. I think they have all the basic parts, though.
Jim's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 02:01
Jim
A little inconsistent reasoning... but I guess you mean well.
liqideos's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 02:10
liqideos
I can attest to the power and the fury of Rockstar when you leak something of theirs. A couple of years ago...ahem...some guy took about eight minutes of video of the Warriors at an event that will go unnnamed.

Let's just say that the next 48 hours after that video went online...and went offline...was pretty interesting.
Putthebottledown's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 02:17
Putthebottledown
Whats a "Dumbledore"
JohnnyWadd's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 02:43
JohnnyWadd
Uh yea i'm too drunk to follow this.
atheistium's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 03:01
atheistium
*claps*
Crapsh00t's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 03:18
Crapsh00t
"Destructoid will not be the source for GTA4 achievements and/or spoilers unless Rockstar personally gives us the information..."

Which is the way it should be. Other websites have us covered for the often debunked "BREAKKKING NEWS" portion. Here at Destructoid we are a collectivist commune of nerds, intellectuals, gamers, etc. No reason to get on the bad side of game development companies when the site doesn't aim to be a journalistic endeavor in the first place.

Extremely well played.
DrBo42's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 03:26
DrBo42
Excellent news post. Good job on that MGS4 prediction, and your November "Suck my dick post."
black ghost's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 03:45
black ghost
So where do we go if we just want to know? I mean, bravo and all that but cmon, some people want to know...

I love all the applause thrown out when nothing is even being divulged...?
Hamza CTZ Aziz's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 03:54
Hamza CTZ Aziz
DrBo42: MGS4 is coming dude. It'll be on the PS3 for awhile before it comes to the 360, but it will come out.
Up2NoGooD's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 05:02
Up2NoGooD
whats the point of going 'har har unlucky,weve got info but were not gonna tell your because its "not right"'! lol its like being back in a freakin school playground!

why wud someone say they have this info if they have no intention of posting it. this line of thinking would probably be morally right, BUT only if nothing was said about it in the first place, imo.
bunnyrabbit2's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 05:07
bunnyrabbit2
Wait. Harry Potter goes to wizard school?

Also, good on you Ron for the integrities and morals
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 05:52
Jonathan Holmes
GTA = Most over rated series EVAR!
Detry's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 05:59
Detry
loosing?

Fucking retard.

:D
d0nfil0fi0's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 06:01
d0nfil0fi0
Well, this thing can begin a debate in the so cool "Good Idea, Bad Idea" thingy that's going on here.

And that's letting the gamer know the content they are going to get before buying the game (A.K.A. "Spoilurz")

Spoilers are a good idea in quick experience games, like fighting games, or racers, or puzzles.

In those kind of games, which are based in a few minutes of gameplay, you just need to know how much will you be getting for your money in order to expand the experience.

Smash Bros. Dojo is an example of a good idea. Sure, a company can say "our game will have 60 characters and 100 stages", but if 50 of the characters are clones and the stages are bland and don't offer nothing new, well, then it just sucks.

So that's why I love the smash bros. brawl, because it tells me all about a game that i'm expecting to play A LOT and it doesn't involve plot twists or anything like that.

On the other hand are story driven or progressive games, like GTA, Metal Gear and even Mario games.

Sure, you want to know who will be the hero, their motivations, gameplay improvements and stuff, but the pleasure on those games is really in the progression.

Sure, we all know that in some point of GTA4, Niko will be put in a trap and some character will reveal himself as a "bad one" and that, eventually, mario will kill bowser. Yep. But those games, as opposite to quick experience games, are meant to be treated as a long term relationship. And in that case, spoilers are a bad idea.

Is the difference between a hooker and someone you like to get married: the hooker shows it all because you need to decide if you really want to expend your money in a little time. Other girls wear clothes because the enjoyment is to persuade, seduce and fall in love to, eventually in the long term, see her naked.
slapme7times's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 06:22
slapme7times
"Workman would fuck the shit out of Paris Hilton if ever given the opportunity.

Although, in hindsight, I guess he'd be fucking the shit back up into her, right? Because I'm sure she does anal? Get the joke?

Who am I kidding this bitch is so hollowed out that Gregorian Monks use her vagina for vocal practice."

that was the dirtiest thing i've ever admitted to thinking was funny via the anonymity of this Destructiod profile.

bravo, bravo.
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