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GTA IV versus Iron Man: Will Rockstar put a dent in the Marvel movie? photo

You know it, I know it -- Grand Theft Auto is big. Not just a huge videogame in its own right, it can be argued that Rockstar's flagship franchise is very much a part of modern culture, a game known and played by the hardcore and more laid back gamer alike. One analyst has predicted that this game is even big enough to affect one of the biggest movie releases of the year, Iron Man.

Usually I ignore analysts and their informed opinions, but the theory that April 29's GTA IV release could hurt ticket sales for the May 2 release of Iron Man is an interesting one. Analyst Mike Hickey anticipates that Iron Man's ticket sales will be "dampened" by Liberty City keeping millions of potential customers glued to the TV screens. 

"The last significant videogame release, Halo 3, generated over $300 million in sales from its first week in the market," stated Hickey. "Halo 3 was released on just one platform, the Xbox 360, and attached nearly 50 percent of the installed base. GTA IV will be released on both the Xbox 360 and PS3, which have both significantly increased their installed bases since the release of Halo 3.  A GTA IV 25 percent attach rate to a combined Xbox 360 and PS3 installed base at its April 29 release would imply 5.8 million units sold or roughly $360 million in retail sales the first week of the game’s release."

Hollywood has already pinned the blame on Halo for poor ticket sales in the past, and Hickey's point about GTA having two audiences instead of Halo 3's one is valid. The Grand Theft Auto games, like Bungie's Halo, are proof of the power that videogames can have, and the mainstream weight they can carry.  I actually think this theory could hold water. And even if not, at least Iron Man has an excuse if it doesn't do as well as expected.


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Brando's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 10:36
Brando
Is Robert Downey Jr. in GTA IV? I didn't think so...
HarassmentPanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 10:37
HarassmentPanda
I don't know that I actually believe there will be any significant impact from GTA IV's release. People who want to see Iron Man can certainly be bothered to step away from their TVs for a few hours to see a movie. Regardless, I'll probably end up seeing Iron Man and not buying GTA IV.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 10:39
BlindsideDork
Well since I have no interest and detest GTA, Iron Man here I come!
Trev's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 10:41
Trev
From everything I've seen now, I'm more likely to spend the $60 seeing Iron Man a few times than I am using it to buy GTA4. I've played GTA. Yeah, its good. But this is IRON goddamn MAN. Its really hard, comics nerd as I am, to say no to that. Equally so to Norton as Banner in the new Hulk film. I can play GTA whenever I please, but there's a limited, albeit generous, window to see those movies in theatre huge-o-vision.
Crawdaddy3's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 10:42
Crawdaddy3
I've got it figured out. I will simply go to Iron Man with my 360, a screen, a power supply, and many extension cords. Then I will sit near the exit door, run the cords to a converter in my car, plug it in, and leave my car running for the entire movie (hope its a short one). I now have the best of both worlds and can stick it to the analyst who thinks I don't have the smarts to have the best of both worlds. Now its just a matter of finding a handbag that is big enough to hold all this and at the same time fashionable. Better start looking now I guess.
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 10:43
BluDesign
Pah. I can set aside a measly two hours to go watch Iron Man on one weekend.

And I WILL be buying GTAIV. I have multiple hooker killing scenarios I have to simulate.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 10:47
Holyetheline
I will be too addicted to GTAIV to even go to work that day. I will see iron man when I can watch it at the same time as I play GTA.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 10:49
Tubatic
If GTA came out on that Friday, maybe. I figure there's a day or two where really absorbed gamers won't want to go anywhere or do anything. But I'll bet most GTA gamers will have slaked their initial, new game bloodthirst in a week, and feel compelled to venture out into the world a week later.

correlation, but no connection
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 10:54
B-Radicate
As much as I love GTA and will surely be purchasing it on day one, like many, it's not going to hold me back from stopping for three hours to drive and sit through what will surely be one of the coolest movies of the year. I'm all over both.
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 10:58
MaxVest
What HarassmentPanda and dvddesign said. If anything, lots of people will be embracing their inner geek from playing GTA IV, and be more inclined to see Iron Man. GTA IV doesn't represent the end of a story arc, or have a heavy focus on multiplayer, so it's easier to put down for a bit to pursue other diversions. I see financial budget having more of an impact than time budget, which is to say not very much.
GeneralWong's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:02
GeneralWong
Theres no way im not seeing the Iron Man movie and im a massive GTA fan. I thank Iron Man being released May 2nd so that i can take a break from GTA and in turn make the game last that little bit longer!

Im more excited about the Iron Man film then GTA.. i am always skeptical about GTA games with all there hype. Hasn't disappointed me yet with GTA:VC and SA but still.. nervousness!!
ran24's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:03
ran24
That's retarded to think that ticket sales will be "dampened". It's $10 to see an awesome looking movie, and there's a 3 day period in which you can go play GTA almost nonstop and get you game cramming done. It won't affect sales.
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:05
Corak
While some gamers might be glued to their screens, I don't think it will be any number that will severly impact ticket sales for Iron Man. I'll be picking this up day 1, but I will definatly take time away from it to go see Iron Man. Not taking 2-3 hours away from your tv to go see a movie that you want to see is a sign you have a problem.
Jaren Face's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:09
Jaren Face
After going through the already posted comments, they sum up my opinion on this quite nicely.

However, I will say this. That is by far going to be my best week ever. My last two exams for the year on the monday? GTAIV tuesdays? Iron Man movie friday?

Definitely cannot wait.
Tull's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:16
Tull
Halo 3 affecting movie ticket sales was due to movies around the Halo 3 release being the kind made for winning awards. Means less boobs, guns, blowing shit up and more boobs. Iron Man is a popcorn movie thats going to have a lot of cool shit blowing up. As much as I'm looking to play GTA4 it won't stop me from wanting to put the controller down and watch Iron Man kick some terr'ist ass.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:20
Snaileb
Analysts are running out of things to analize. Iron Man will be bad ass despite video game releases.
broonor's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:20
broonor
This looks... familiar. Except in this case there's no Ben Stiller crapfests to contend with.
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:29
JACK of No Trades
GTA will have more excitment, comes with euphoria engine, headshots and will last 90 hours longer. Fuck Ironman....untill it comes out on Bluray.
DrNutt's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:30
DrNutt
Considering that mainstream movies are becoming nothing more than crappy CG wankfests with personalities rather than actors, I think I'd rather save 10 bucks and at least get some gameplay between cutscenes.
duhJeenyus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:36
duhJeenyus
What affected ticket sales was not only Halo 3 being released, it's the lack of quality movies that have been shoveled out for the last eight years or so. It seems like every week I'm subjected to a new romantic comedy trailer with Owen Wilson in it, an animal house rip-off, or some stupid faux-horror movie involving a cave, a dead girl or a inanimate object (or all three).

These are all reasons we choose to speak with our wallets and plop down $170 on a game with guitar controllers, the movie studios keep cranking out the same crap. Eventually when the game developers start doing the same in their inevitable stagnation, we might find some other medium to spend our monies. If there's anything left after the nuclear holocaust. :P




Owen Wilson is a stapler!
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:41
Cowzilla3
Yea, I think people will put down the controllers and go to a movie it they want to. I know I do. Still it might lose a few hundred grand but that's chump change.
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:45
JACK of No Trades
How about you go buy GTA4 & some alcohol then later that evening go to see Ironman. Its a win win. I might just pawn the baby off to the sitters that night.
savagesaladin's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:46
savagesaladin
I thought Halo had the casual and hardcore audience as well. I look at Halo player's game lists and all it has is Halo 3 and maybe a few shitty XBLA games. Oh, and NBA and Madden.
imbeta's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:46
imbeta
Iron man: 3 hours of your life well spent, goodtimes.
GTA IV: the game that keeps on giving after hours and days...

yeah, I don't see a correlation... I'm probably hitting GTA first though.
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:47
Rockvillian
@duhJeenyus

Yep, you got it. I'm seeing the same things happening more and more in games too (money driven development styles and marketing towards individuals who know nothing besides what entertains them), so I'm glad there's a multitude of great books out there to read, not to mention doing stuff outside like sailing and camping and what not. And also, SUPPORT INDIE GAMES/MOVIES!
ceark's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:49
ceark
I think it's pretty absurd Hollywood blames video games for ticket sales. I think High Def television and movies has a more adverse effect in gaming. For people with a nice TV and high def player, why spend money to a crowded theathre when you can watch in the comfort of you own home a few months later? This makes going to the theathre something that's reserved for movies that people are actually excited about now, not the bullshit.

Also, it's FUCKING IRON MAN. I doubt it will do poorly.
StriderS's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 11:58
StriderS
Yeah, it'd be really hard to mess up Iron Man. But then again, they've messed up Venom.
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 12:02
MechaMonkey
This is akin to saying that Ritz cracker sales dropped because people were buying too much salmon instead.
JimboMac's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 12:15
JimboMac
Ritz crackers and salmon! That is solid gold comment of the year material right there!
Monte's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 12:51
Monte
Well i'm willing to believe it... mainly because i think the quality of movies based of comics is almost as bad as movies based of video games. Really, i will never understand how spiderman got so many sequels cause i thought all those movies sucked hard... really, aside from a few saving grace films like the last batman film, movies based on comics suck hard.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 12:52
Sharpless
No. Iron Man is bigger than GTA. No contest.
Tull's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 13:17
Tull
From what they've shown so far in trailers, teasers and whatnots it looks like Iron Man is in great hands with Favreau and Downey, Jr. Venom on the other hand was one character I never saw the appeal that fans seem to have for the guy. Him and Gambit both.
SubOrbital's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 13:19
SubOrbital
Iron Man by a long shot. What Halo and Iron Man have over GTA is the teen factor. GTA is way way adults only territory, unless shooting prostitutes is suddenly teenage allowed. Without that market, it takes a dent out of possible revenue. So unless retailers start selling GTA to kids illegally on a great scale, Iron Man should easily beat GTA. I'll be in for both.
Axelay 2's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 14:01
Axelay 2
If Iron Man and GTA 4 were the same day, then maybe. But they're not.

If the movie doesn't meet sales expectations, that will be excuse though.

Although, 10,000 B.C. did reasonable well the same weekend SSBB came out, so maybe the Halo excuse never worked in the first place...

P.S.: Iron Man looks good. But Batman looks better...
Sam Spectre's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 15:25
Sam Spectre
I wouldn't be surprised. I'd rather play GTA IV than see Iron Man. If it were a better movie, like Batman, I'd have to do both.
Im OK's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 15:39
Im OK
I seriously doubt that people will be too invested in GTA4 to take a little time to go see Iron Man.

I am, of course, speaking of the people who would want to do both here, and not the "Bah, I'm not getting GTA4 anyway so nyah!" or "Whatever, Iron Man sucks. GTA4 all the way baybee!!" crowds.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 16:18
Samit Sarkar
What Corak said.
RobotsAlive's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 16:30
RobotsAlive
http://snagwiremedia.com/consolepatrol/2008/03/nine-million-units-sold-for-gt.html

we'll see if Iron Man will make a total of 135 million dollars in the U.S. when its all said and done.
neveranything's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 17:19
neveranything
@Suborbital

You've clearly ignored the whole political uproar that's been going on for years since GTA III first came out. There's a huge teen audience for GTA. It's not MEANT for them, but they're getting it and playing it anyway.

Either way, it depends on how good the movie turns out to be. If the movie blows, word's going to spread fast, and everyone's going to put their money towards something else, and since Hollywood can't fail, they're going to blame it on something other than the people who killed the movie. If not GTA IV, then another game, another movie, P2P downloads, having sex with an attractive partner, sleeping, ect.
Anus Mcphanus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 17:58
Anus Mcphanus
I'm a huge GTA fan but have you seen the trailers for Iron Man? It looks so good I think I may jizz my pants right now...
The reason Box office sales were down when Halo3 came out was because there were shit movies on. You know when a Resident Evil movies is the no.1 film that there's not much else going on.
I think this guy has a point though, there will be some gamers who will be glued to GTA4 but not enough to make a significant dent in Iron Man (no pun intended) and I bet even they will go to the cinema to see it eventually.
Ultimately as neveranything said if the movie is good people will go if it sucks (which I doubt it will) then they'll be playing GTA
The-Excel's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 18:12
The-Excel
I'm going to watch this.
Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 19:11
Eschatos
Movies come out on DVD. Games are but once.
Clockwork's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 20:16
Clockwork
Don't get me wrong, Iron Man will be awesome, but GTA IV will rock so much more so it deserves to beat the shit out of Iron Man at ticket sales.
mistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 20:34
mistic
I think the first cause of falling ticket sales is the fact that most of the movies they create nowadays are utter crap...

but just the fact that 5.8 million people are doing something else at that time can indeed be a cause of concern for Hollywood... ( and that's just the guy playing, I can immagine lots of places where 4 to 5 people would be watching :-) )
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 21:35
catsithx
Let me think Do I see Iron Man or get gta 4 Ill see I ron man I nevere liked gta sereis
slayoyayo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/12/2008 23:17
slayoyayo
GTA IV will affect Iron Man's opening, because people will spend money on GTA IV over Iron Man, because consumer spending is shrinking, and people can't download/stream GTA IV for free.

PS I SMARTER THAN U.
Noah's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2008 01:37
Noah
Where can I download a CAM of GTAVI?
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