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You know what kind of story this is going to be already. Yep, it's time for another one of those "ridiculous and ineffectual nobody talks about a game he doesn't have the first realistic clue about," posts, so if you've had your fill of those, please feel free to check out what else Destructoid has on offer today. The rest of you, take my hand, and let's go through another stroll through the green fields of impotent intellectual redundancy.

"Despite a price tag of sixty dollars (more than ninety dollars in the special edition), and despite its release on April 29, 2008, at the very height of national concern over a potential recession, the game sold an astonishing 6 million units in its first week," states columnist Michael Medved, unable to grasp why the game is popular. "By the end of 2008, at least 11 million Americans will have purchased GTA IV, placing the game in nearly one out of ten households in the land of the free."

"The stunning success of a game that glorifies guerilla (Jim note - his misspelling, not mine) warfare, murder, irresponsible driving, prostitution, cop-killing, international conspiracies and, of course, car theft highlights the real threat to the American Way of Life: it’s not the war on the middle class; it’s the war on middle class values."

Medved's rambling and barely coherent non-argument seems to say a lot of words, but nothing of substance. His entire point seems to hinge on the rather flimsy idea that people shouldn't be buying GTA IV during a recession, and that somehow this means American "values" (whatever they're supposed to be these days) are under threat. All I can do is mount an argument with the same level of depth and reasoning as Medved, and so I answer his article with this -- cheg on Medved, you am a twot!








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Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 21:27
Excel-2011
I thought killing each other for property was the American way according to the Superman comics.
TheRemedy's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 21:32
TheRemedy
he's only missing an R in guerrilla according to wikipedia
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 21:32
Cowzilla3
...Jim that is how you spell guerilla warfare despite Firefox underlining it in red. That however does make this man any less of an idiot.
Vitamin Awesome's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 21:35
Vitamin Awesome
Values Schmalues. I'd also like to inform this guy that writing about buying a video game during a recession isn't making my Ramen taste any better.
Joe Burling's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 21:36
Joe Burling
irresponsible driving????

BAN THIS FILTH!!!
JynxShot's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 21:38
JynxShot
This game is perhaps a reflection of American values, but it didn't bring us there. Besides, the game knows better, and it knows it knows better (placing everything in a somewhat satirical real-world context), and it pokes fun from the outside. You'd have to be a stupid dumbfuck or an idiot who talks about games he doesn't play to not understand the game itself.

Medved, you am a twot.
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 21:40
Cowzilla3
Oh yea, totally missing an r...ok he can't spell and he's an idiot.
Bioautographical's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 21:47
Bioautographical
OH NOES, PPLZ BOUGHT THINGS DURING ECONOMIC DOWNTURN, THUS STIMULATING THE ECONOMY!

GET THEM!
Tron's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 21:49
Tron
A little late for Medved to be jumping on the "GTA IV corrupts society" bandwagon. All the other reactionary conservatives have moved on to something else.
Dr Mike's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 21:51
Dr Mike
Click to the home page and his article is listed right above Anne Coulter's. Enough said.

Heretic: There's medication for that kind of stuff.
TheRemedy's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 21:53
TheRemedy
that block of text was awesome heretic!
Dr Milkdad's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 22:02
Dr Milkdad
Americas values can be viewed here in this 'video'
Alexradl's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 22:07
Alexradl
Fuck American values. They're worth shit. I don't have a clue where this guy is living, because he is definitely not living in the same country I am.

/agrees with Heretic
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 22:10
Sharpless
Isn't it time to give it a rest with posting these things? Seriously, I'm fucking sick of hearing the same shit over and over again.
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 22:13
Dan CiTi
GTA IV is more about America than this prick realizes.
dronkmunk's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 22:47
dronkmunk
@Heretic

Of course America and Europe are different states! Did you fail geometry?
RWarrior1CO's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 22:56
RWarrior1CO
Wow. I've never seen so much hope and optimism.

Well, anyway, I don't know what this Medved guy is going about. He started off talking about a video game, then veered off into the Twilight Zone. But I will say that GTA IV was far too prone to rambling off a lot of activist nonsense. "Waaah, rich people are bad! Waah, capitalism sucks!" the game says, even as Rockstar reels in huge amounts of money off of their product. I mean, give me a break, hypocrisy much? If you don't like money, Rockstar, give some to me, because I do like money.

Furthermore, Liberty City is supposed to be this grand parody of New York City and a way of exposing the falseness of American values (I think). Well, gee wiz, isn't it true that NYC mostly votes Democrat? And even the Republicans they elect are very liberal? So Rockstar is saying that NYC is a place of decadence, corruption, inequality, and crime through this metaphor, and yet they cite Republicans as the source of all that is evil in the country? By using a city run by Democrats and liberal Republicans to prove it? WHAT?

Don't bother telling me there's no political bias in the game, either.

Bah. I just wish the game focused on delivering a crime drama rather than pretending that there was some kind of moral to the story.
Phantom Spaceman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 23:12
Phantom Spaceman
I'm all for glorifying international conspiracies, they get such a bad rap. Go Illuminati!
NobodysDream's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 23:13
NobodysDream
[rant]
After reading the article, there is little to conclude other than the fact that this guy has no idea how either sociology or economics works.

Neo-Conservatives have to come to terms with something: They have been in charge for the past eight years, and most of our bullshit is all their fault. No, it is not games. And no, it is not those evil fucking liberals which, by the way, didn't even have a goddamn chance in the senate or the house until 2006.

Your "values" are destroying our country, not the terrorists, and not the liberals (although they certainly try). Yeah, a lot of people suck on welfare and fuck before marriage and gamble and drink, but is that really the cause of modern day problems? Is that why we are in a recession? Is that why we are at war? Is that why corporations are firing people by the truckload?

The stubbornness and ignorance of the American aristocracy is fucking it up for the rest of us. Get off your high horse, realize you fucked up, and stop dicking with the American people long enough for us to get back on our goddamn feet.

[/rant]

Speaking of American values, is anyone else watching Generation Kill on HBO? I'm really into it, and I can't get enough of Person's rants about life. I hope they keep the quote from the novel that has Trombley comparing Iraq to Grand Theft Auto.
Charedj's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 23:14
Charedj
"By the end of 2008, at least 11 million Americans will have purchased GTA IV, placing the game in nearly one out of ten households in the land of the free."

HA! There's just over 300 million in the US right now. 10/300 is 3.3%, or 1 in 30. That guys is awesome.
Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 23:15
Eschatos
@RWarrior, I think you're taking the game a bit too seriously.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 23:19
Excel-2011
I'm an ididot.
Velt's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 23:26
Velt
The united states has bigger problems than a videogame, anyone saying that a videogame is to blame is trying to get the focus out of the economy.

pd: im not from the united states.
Charedj's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 23:26
Charedj
And I just double checked, his article is full of misnomers, it really is fantastic.

"GTA 4...glorifies guerilla warfare" Has he seen Full Metal Jacket?
"The fact that so many middle income homes managed to find the money to buy the game..." That's the thing, Medved, MIDDLE income.
Average. Money to spare. Not poor...

This man seems to be obsessed with "family values", which are of course important, but maybe he needs to realise his values aren't in every families...
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 23:35
Jim Sterling
Sharpless: There was a warning in the first paragraph. If you're sick of reading it, you have but yourself to blame.
Mr Lazy's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2008 23:53
Mr Lazy
GTA 4 is the only city i can afford to drive around

the housing crisis, corrupt politicians, global warming, and the shit economy are at the top of my list of things to worry about

fuck this dude, i'll care about middle class values when banks aren't kicking middle class people out of houses they cant afford
NobodysDream's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/31/2008 00:05
NobodysDream
http://www.thepaincomics.com/

Link related to our little "America is fucked" mentality. The comic also includes a castle wolfenstein reference.
ace of knaves's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/31/2008 02:06
ace of knaves
"Irresponsible driving." Classic.

Yeah, things are pretty bad here, but we're not burning each other's faces off, so it'll be a step up.
ParaParaKing's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/31/2008 02:13
ParaParaKing
GTA threatens American values.
American values threaten the world.

GTA = the shit.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/31/2008 02:15
Sharpless
Jim: Needless to say, I didn't read it, or else I'd have seen the warning. :) That said, this just doesn't seem like it's worth reporting anymore. Everyone hates video games. We know this.

Also, "guerilla" is apparently an accepted spelling, so he's not actually wrong.
JustLikeBuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/31/2008 03:37
JustLikeBuck
Another man-fool.

But everything he's said is praise in a game like GTA.

Jim? You can put [sic] next to originally misspelt words, instead of explaining. I'm sure you already know and you're trying to not confuse the plebs, but can we have a bit of literary culture?
SysiphusRock's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/31/2008 03:54
SysiphusRock
Guerila is an acceptable spelling of guerrilla actually.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/31/2008 04:23
Samit Sarkar
@Charedj: Note that the author used the term "households," which makes sense. 300 million people /= 300 million households.
Tyrian3's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/31/2008 05:28
Tyrian3
This happens everywhere in the world...things go wrong? Just blame it on the next scapegoat! Today is vedogames'turn! Tomorrow will be...Arabs?nah, done that. China? Nah, too powerful. TV? Hell no, are we in the 80s again? Oh EUREKA! Let's blame all on videogames! They're violent, corrupt childrens and disrupt the mighty values of our perfect and spotless society!

(applause)


oh, the irony. and the hypocrisy of those people too.

needless to say, I agree with you Jim.
Rosseh's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/31/2008 06:42
Rosseh
God Jim! You know what you want?
zombiekiller13's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/31/2008 07:29
zombiekiller13
I really love how these morons don't even play the game and yet feel they are an authoritative source on it. Go screw, and maybe report on things that are actually affecting the middle class, like how our government won't repeal tax breaks for the wealthy which could net us a few billion, or how it just throws money into an unpopular war.

Sorry to get a little political there. My point is that there are things out there that are worse than some rated M video game selling millions.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/31/2008 07:40
Jim Sterling
Rosseh earns my love and respect this day.
cryocide's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/31/2008 08:51
cryocide
Gotta agree with SysiphusRock: "guerilla" is an accepted spelling, much like honor/honour and color/colour. In the English spelling, the monarch is silent. In the American spelling, the monarch is completely removed.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/31/2008 10:44
Bob Muir
If it's a recession, I'll be buying whatever I damn please, since it'll probably help the economy.
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