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GTA IV's male nudity sparks controversy: Anti-game groups run like cockwork photo

The self-styled "media watchdogs" are so very predictable. No sooner has Grand Theft Auto IV: The Lost and Damned been released for download, than the moral fearmongers get up in arms about it. Responding to the GTA DLC's full-frontal male nudity, Common Sense Media has begun its panicked clucking in response.

"It is even more controversial than its predecessors because this game has full frontal male nudity," warns Common Sense. "The game lets you lead a life of crime as part of a motorcycle gang with plenty of gang violence... relentless foul language, drugs and alcohol, and sexual references...

"Families can talk about why Rockstar likes to push the envelope and garner controversy over its games? Why did they have to put full-frontal nudity in the game if it's not integral to the story? Do they correlate media outrage with extraordinary game sales? Do players expect Rockstar to stir up controversy with each of its titles, including the Manhunt and Bully series?..."

Common Sense asks why? Why did Rockstar put a penis in GTA IV? No, it didn't have to do it, but you know what? It could and it did. A flaccid donk is something we've seen in films and on TV before. It's about time videogames caught up. While Rockstar clearly did it for attention (yes gamers do expect Rockstar to stir up controversy), I think it broke a good boundary and hopefully sets a new precedent for the kind of material videogames can show. 

I won't pretend that Rockstar's "penis scene" wasn't a very immature sight gag. However, those who are crowing and complaining because they saw a pecker on a screen for a few moments are being even more immature. A lot of people in the world have a penis. We know it's there, and most of us have seen one. Grow up and get used to it.

Oh, I should be fair and point out that beyond the penis, they actually like the gameplay!


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ian_esq's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 14:44
ian_esq
toooo much penis
sickNasty's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 14:45
sickNasty
also, cocks?
bluexy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 14:46
bluexy
" I think it broke a good boundary and hopefully sets a new precedent for the kind of material videogames can show. "

You heard it here first! Jim Sterling insists on more dicks in videogames. also cocks
Pacopaco's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 14:49
Pacopaco
Part of me wants to applaud the fact that Rockstar is addressing the stupid nudity and penis taboo that many still follow but the other part of me wants to smack them upside the head for being attention whores.
waspeater's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 14:50
waspeater
"fondle your flopper into a frothy frenzy"

Man, I only read it once, but I think that one's stuck with me forever.
zombiekiller13's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 14:54
zombiekiller13
Not that I was wanting it in the game, but can someone tell these morons that the game is rated M for a reason?
Tron's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 14:55
Tron
alright, now gimme some vag, rockstar.

kthanxbai.
CallMeRotten's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 14:56
CallMeRotten
Looks like the ending of Boogie Nights.."I'm a star, I'm a star, I'm a star".
DonHonk's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 14:57
DonHonk
I think its pretty funny.
SakuChan's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 14:57
SakuChan
LMAO. I just freakin' chocked on my water when I saw that picture.
Anansi's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 14:59
Anansi
It's rated M. That's the equivalent of a movie being rated NC-17. You'd never hear these same people saying "OMG that NC-17 movie has full frontal nudity and the protagonist kills prostitutes!"
SnakeDude4Life's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 15:06
SnakeDude4Life
I liked how the scene directed;

It's an homage to the various moives and tv shows that uses camera tricks to not show it.

I think your safe, but then at the last second... BAM! Penis!

I swear R* might put a Goatse or Watersports in the next DLC.

seigfreid's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 15:09
seigfreid
"HOLY SHIT A PENIS LETS RANT"
Whats the point of ranting when you could just type in "Penis" on the internet and see a real one for yourself. I think it's pretty stupid when parents and anyone for that matter rants about a penis in a game when there are way more accessible penises to be found. You don't hear people telling other people to censor their own pants so that when they are in the shower they don't see their own dong.
ArrestedDeveloper's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 15:12
ArrestedDeveloper
I don't know Jim, it seems like you're the one jumping to conclusions. After reading their whole review they seem to give it Lost and Damned a fair shake. They never condemn the content they just let parents know that it's definitely not for children and even give it a 4 out of 5 stars. If it's anyone that is being a moral fearmonger it is a couple parents in the user reviews but even they are balanced out by sensible people who actually played the game.
seltzermx's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 15:13
seltzermx
"Why did they have to put full-frontal nudity in the game if it's not integral to the story?"

By that logic, only "Aaron Linde's BonerQuest" would qualify for full frontal male nudity as I'm sure it is the only mainstream game where penises are essential to the overall story.
Drack48's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 15:13
Drack48
Jesus Christ..wonder what Jack T is up to right now..
CypherVR's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 15:13
CypherVR
Hey, Common Sense Media & etc. :

Hostel 2's dick snip(r-rated movie-durr..) and videogame M-rating(durrrr..)

Good parents should know better and monitor their kids rather than to leave them to a electronic babysitter

--
Just Stfu already.
CypherVR's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 15:18
CypherVR
@SnakeDude4Life:

there are games that have pissing(if you didn't already know) XD
SnakeDude4Life's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 15:22
SnakeDude4Life
@CypherVR

Yeah;

GTA IV had a guy pissing in a stair well and Stubbs the Zombie had a whole mission just for Pissing in a water tank.
Rational Animal's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 15:27
Rational Animal
Also, polygonal cocks.
Jumbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 15:28
Jumbo
I'm reminded of that Simpsons episode with Marge and Michaelangelo's David. I'm not saying a GTA IV expansion pack is comparable to Michaelanglo's sculpture. I'm saying it's better. Cuz it has grenade launchers. Eat it Michaelanglo.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 15:29
Kyousuke Nanbu
Poor Rockstar, they have to take the brunt constantly from the watchdogs, meanwhile other companies do much more controversial stuff and nobody cares.
Drach's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 15:37
Drach
I was mad about the xbox getting this.. until I saw that there was a penis in it! You can have your "Exclusive Penis Content" xbox.
n0brein's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 15:42
n0brein
I love the fact that they changed the hooker scenes and took out some of the blood in exchange for a penis, that's pretty much genious :D
John Johnson's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 15:45
John Johnson
I'm with Arrested Developer on this one. You guys are looking way too far into this. This website seems to be giving fairly evenhanded reviews of games. Would I want my kids to be playing GTA IV? No, because it is violent and it is profane.

The quote in question is seriously overblown. Look at that section for other video game reviews. The questions they ask are legitament, mature questions that could be asked of any video game or movie containing nudity. Compare this quote from the same section of their website on Eastern Promises:

"Families can talk about how the movie depicts mob life. Does it glamorize it or paint a more distasteful picture? How is it similar to and different from other movies about the mafia? Why are films in general fascinated by the criminal underworld? What about that subject drives filmmakers and screenwriters to explore it over and over? Families can also talk about the role of violence in the movie. Is it necessary to tell the story? Why or why not? How realistic do you think it is?"

To me, it's all the same question, and a legitimate one I would hope any concerned parent would be discussing with their children: do video games and movies exploit violence and nudity in order to sell tickets?

Come on now, dudes, if we can't be more mature and honest about these sorts of honest discussions than the Jack Thompsons of the world, then we're just as bad as them.
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 16:02
falinter
My concern is that when all the young chillin's see this flaccid penis they will all immediately turn gay! Won't someone think of the chillin's!
BattyAdroit's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 16:13
BattyAdroit
"I won't pretend that Rockstar's "penis scene" wasn't a very immature sight gag. However, those who are crowing and complaining because they saw a pecker on a screen for a few moments are being even more immature. A lot of people in the world have a penis. We know it's there, and most of us have seen one. Grow up and get used to it."

QFT
CypherVR's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 16:15
CypherVR
also..
sickNasty's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 16:38
sickNasty
@Drach:

You made me laugh at work.

EPC FTW
exodus1925's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 16:51
exodus1925
It's an 18, big deal?
faultymoose's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 17:20
faultymoose
Rockstar, imho, are brilliant. Controversy for the sake of controversy, or controversy to push the boundaries of our medium... the end result is the same. The medium will never mature unless people have the balls (LOL) to challenge preconceptions.

Also, it's a clever move to make their first graphically 'explicit' nude portrayal a male. If it was a female, we'd be seeing a far bigger shit storm, being that gaming is one big massive boy's club, and objectifying women is a favorite catch phrase of the moral elite.

AND, it's a fucking cock. BIG FUCKING DEAL. Do the people who care about this shit blindfold themselves when they have a shower? Puritanical extremism is laughable. OMG PENIS *CLAWS OUT MY OWN EYES*.

And finally.... LOL @ gamers who have to publically reaffirm their heterosexuality. I LOVE that Rockstar put penis in the DLC. I also have an awesome Hard Gay crotch thrusting avatar. Welcome to the 21st century, have a nice gay - I mean day. WHAT-THE-FUCK-EVER.

Reminds me of my junior high figure drawing class. In comes the woman, *giggle giggle*. In comes the dude. "OH I CAN'T DRAW HIM OR PEOPLE WILL THINK I'M A FAG". Do you sexually repressed idiots vomit when you see cock in a porno?

Seriously, fucking epic lame. LOL.

MORE COCKS!
Ikey Heyman's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 17:27
Ikey Heyman
typo in the headline: intentional joke, or freudian slip?
TheToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 17:31
TheToiletDuck
I <3 penis
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 17:33
Jim Sterling
Ikey: Intentional.

And yeah, I guess on the whole, Common Sense Media wasn't overtly raging at the game, they did seem to like the gameplay aspects. I should have picked up on the user comments more, some of the shit in there is gold.
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 18:30
Necros
See, I kind of agree with Common Sense Media in a way. I have no objections about putting a penis in a game or making a penis joke. However, there's no reason for it to be there. If it was hanging out there from the beginning of the scene, it would be fine, but they structure the entire scene around the fact that his penis is out but the camera never looks at it. Then, when the scene is almost done, they show it, making it look like an afterthought. The moment I saw it, I could tell it was only there to be controversial. The scene would have been much better either with it in completely or without it at all.
faultymoose's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 18:39
faultymoose
Necros: The REASON *is* shock, humor, surprise. These are just as valid to narrative progression as anything else. The nudity of the guy isn't in question - his casual cock-freeness says a lot about his character - but doing it to surprise or shock the viewer is just as valid as a sudden unexpected gunshot, or a monster appearing at the window. Just because it's nudity, and by association uses the demonisation of sexuality to cause the shock, does not make it any less a 'punchline'.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 19:38
Cowboy TTop
Heard about this on Giant Bomb.

Lol, I gotta love Rockstar, because every industry needs certain maverick people to push the envelope. They know who they are, what they are doing and stay true to that. Controversy or not, they have my respect.

Yeah, so you see some crazy biker cock for a few seconds, big deal. The sign said mature rating on the door, so if you enter and have a problem....well fuck you. Its nothing flicks haven't done and got away with for years anyway.

GTAIV ain't for kids, you better recognise.
John Johnson's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 19:44
John Johnson
@ Mr. Sterling

Agreed. While I don't the site was being particularly anti-video game, some of the user comment in there are absolutely preposterous. But, it is fair to note that both sides, (Pro and Anti-video games) appear to hold opinions which would be looked down on by an ape in what appears to be equal proportion.
Tombstone's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 20:34
Tombstone
When I saw this, I was talking to a friend and basically went.

"-OH FUCK OLD MAN PENIS" Then I covered my eyes for the rest of the scene

Then my friend said I can't unsee what I've seen. AND IT'S TRUE ;-;
The Amazing Shenazin's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/21/2009 07:57
The Amazing Shenazin
I still can't even believe this is fucking real, this is the FIRST naked penis in a main-stream game in history

I mean bare breasts in mainstream video games are still pretty shocking to me, but this is the first time you see someone's genitals (and I would've guessed the first time would've been a woman's)

in other words, bravo Rockstar, bravo!
faultymoose's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/21/2009 09:19
faultymoose
Dreamweb has a cock in it. You walk into a room and some chick is riding some dude, and you shoot them both (if I recall correctly). That was a pretty big game, at the time. But that was when games weren't mainstream as a whole.
fetusmilk's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2009 11:22
fetusmilk
DLC ist rated correct? i think thats why they did it. is because they CAN. and people cant complain because its unrated. but now were are gonna see rated DLC very soon.

now i dont care, i have a wang. i think its a good thing that it happened, maybe people will start to grow up.

shit noby noby boy looks more like a penis painted up like some gay barber shop poll.
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