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I agree. I believe that GTA IV is a 7 out of 10 at best.
Also, I believe Ocarina of Time is the most overrated game of all time and was overrated when it came out on the N64.
Also, I believe Ocarina of Time is the most overrated game of all time and was overrated when it came out on the N64.
I completely disagree. The game blew my mind, the first one to do so in years.. in fact the biggest thrill from a game I got comparable to driving through liberty city in gta iv was playing halflife for the first time. Its a good thing Jim doesn't live down my street, would have egged his front door for his gta iv review. It was bad. But thats just my fanboyish opionion.
I loved Ocarina of Time, but I wouldn't necessarily single it out as a special example of artwork either. Heck, I can't really think of any single game that I'd consider straightup "art." Not enough games focus on changing people's perceptions to really pull it off.
There is, however, something Any Warholian about saying Super Mario Brothers 1 or Megaman 2 or 3 are pieces of art, and I'd totally agree with that.
There is, however, something Any Warholian about saying Super Mario Brothers 1 or Megaman 2 or 3 are pieces of art, and I'd totally agree with that.
"Its a good thing Jim doesn't live down my street, would have egged his front door for his gta iv review."
It's a damn good thing I don't live near you, because I'd have kicked the shit out of you for even thinking about that.
It's a damn good thing I don't live near you, because I'd have kicked the shit out of you for even thinking about that.
GTA IV is simply an epic undertaking, I cannot even begin to think about the effort put in here. In my opinion NO game has ever come close to simulate a living breathing city. Sure the game has some slow areas but think about what has to happen to keep cops and crooks running across a number of consoles with all the variables acting the same etc. It deserves the praise. It is a sure 9.
Name me another game where you can annoy a hooker by pushing her repeatedly towards the road and a passer-by in a car on seeing your assholeness will get out of his car and come over to beat the shit out of you. 9.
Name me another game where you can annoy a hooker by pushing her repeatedly towards the road and a passer-by in a car on seeing your assholeness will get out of his car and come over to beat the shit out of you. 9.
"It's a damn good thing I don't live near you, because I'd have kicked the shit out of you for evening thinking about that."
Haha...That's awesome.
Haha...That's awesome.
@Wonky360: Too bad you can't justly score a game (or anything else for that matter) based on how much work you THINK was put into it.
By that same logic Duke Nukem Forever will be a 37/10 just because of how long it's been in development.
Fact of the matter is, they may have spent a lot of time making the city feel "alive," but they forgot to add all the stuff that made the game fun.
I completely agree with this article.
By that same logic Duke Nukem Forever will be a 37/10 just because of how long it's been in development.
Fact of the matter is, they may have spent a lot of time making the city feel "alive," but they forgot to add all the stuff that made the game fun.
I completely agree with this article.
I may get flak for this but many of you guys are quite harsh. GTA4 is a simply incredible game. The fact that people feel the need to analyze and pickpoint every tiny flaw in a great game is silly. There is no need to over-contexualize a game which exceeded our expectations. I have a similar qualm with Ninja Gaiden 2. It has many flaws, but still, the game is a ride and a half. It is a blast to play and because of this, I consider it a great game. Pretty much none of us could do better in making a game and GTA4 is an amazing feat in programming, design and aesthetic. A 10 point score should not represent perfection, because perfection does not exist. Rather a 10 should represent a game which exceeds in all areas. Have we ever seen a game as vast and immerseful as GTA4? No we haven't, that is why it deserves a 10, at least a 9 if anything.
For me GTA IV is an amazing accomplishment just in terms of sheer scope. But I didn't find the story or characters to be particularly engaging, and didn't find anything in the gameplay that was leaps and bounds ahead of the previous installments. Like the other GTA's, I've played about half-way through, lost interest, did some random missions, and put it aside - for now. I think this review is a healthy counterpoint to the "Oscar-worthy" hyperbole that surrounded its release.
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It's just a shinier next gen GTA 3...
The story wasn't GREAT, It did the job, but I'll never understand all these people who seem to worship the thing....
It's just a shinier next gen GTA 3...
The story wasn't GREAT, It did the job, but I'll never understand all these people who seem to worship the thing....
I agree, I didn't like GTA IV that much honestly, story was boring and the gameplay was lacking, its like they focused all their resources on the city and the rest of the game was just an afterthought.
GTA was great.
That said, it was also repetitive and too easy. The missions are basically the same: kill that guy who's surrounded by a lot of his friends, kill a group of people, etc. Sure, there were a few nice exceptions (SPOILER: the triad truck heist was good), but overall the missions were the same all over again.
They seem to have focused more on the city (the activities, the small details) and less on the actual mission gameplay (95% of the game). Time for Rockstar to get their priorities straight.
That said, it was also repetitive and too easy. The missions are basically the same: kill that guy who's surrounded by a lot of his friends, kill a group of people, etc. Sure, there were a few nice exceptions (SPOILER: the triad truck heist was good), but overall the missions were the same all over again.
They seem to have focused more on the city (the activities, the small details) and less on the actual mission gameplay (95% of the game). Time for Rockstar to get their priorities straight.
Agreed. Totally agreed. The game is incredible, the absolute epitomy of GTAs, but it just doesn't fell (OR PLAY, mind you), all that mind blowing, revolutionary and 10-worthy, at least to me. 8, however, seems a bit harsh of a score, but I perfectly understand Sterling's point and stand right by your side, mate. I would give it a 9.5 or something. If you discard the "OH SO WONDEFUL, KILL-THE-HOOKER-PALOOZA-MTV-GENERATION-ADS-COCA-COLA-LOL-CAR-MATT-DAMON-POP" thing that GTA turned into, it would probably be worth some 8,8 or something. Don't get me wrong, it's a great game. It just feels dumb putting it at the great hall of the greatest besides Ocarina of Time, Metal Gear Solid, Super Mario Bros. 3 and Pokémon Pinball(wha? who?), games that just felt like "Oh boy, now that's something" at the time they were released. Sorry, everyone, but GTA IV revolutionized sh*t. If you really wanna stick a 10 at any GTA, do it at GTA3. SNAP! Pokémon SNAP!
I understand people that think GTAIV is art, but I also understand people who thinks otherwhise.
I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING.
GTAIV is great, but not the best. Simple.
I fucking love it, I dont need you to love it to, because Im cool.
I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING.
GTAIV is great, but not the best. Simple.
I fucking love it, I dont need you to love it to, because Im cool.
I really dug GTA IV. I got to 100% completion. But if we are comparing games to movies I have been more blown away by MGS4 and Uncharted:Drake's Fortune for their cinematic quality as well as the game play. IN MGS4's case 100 hours of Cinematic Quality and 45 minutes of game play!!
I honestly feel that GTA4 as a narrative is better than the godfather films and the sopranos. That has more to do with my preference for video games as a medium than actual story telling though. At least the Games as Art debate is getting a positive spin in a mainstream publication.
I TOTALLY agree with this, and I didn't even play the game. I'm not evening thinking about playing the game. 8/10
So, it turns out that GTA4 is OVER RATED?!
Say it isn't so!
Whats next, gamers realize that MGS4 wasn't that great either?
Dare to dream...
Say it isn't so!
Whats next, gamers realize that MGS4 wasn't that great either?
Dare to dream...
I disagree, GTA IV cured my crippling arthritis and brought my kitty cat back to life. Gameplay-wise though, it's okay.
Its so indie to hate GTA or give it a 7 or 8. Its a ten if you judge games by anthing other than an impossible skale of art and perfection.
I dont care for the godfather either, and never really watched sopranoes. But i'd say GTA 4 WAS equal to "Once upon a time in America". Dont agree? Fine but dont say it shit just cos it goes "too realistic".
I dont care for the godfather either, and never really watched sopranoes. But i'd say GTA 4 WAS equal to "Once upon a time in America". Dont agree? Fine but dont say it shit just cos it goes "too realistic".
GTAIV is great. Engaging gameplay, and great environment. Occasionally wonky controls aside, you couldn't ask for a better GTA game at the moment. But a 10? No way, definately not. Maybe a 9 at the most. It has it's flaws (like any game) and definately doesn't deserve a perfect score.
That said, I also agree with the statements of the Wall Street journal.
That said, I also agree with the statements of the Wall Street journal.
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