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@Nyktharas: Oh, I do use my computers for that. I have 2 PCs with Windows 7, one dualbooting with Linux Mint and I have Mac OS X running in Virtualbox. I use my PS3 mainly for gaming. The thing is, it's not what they've taken away that is a problem, it's the fact that they did it. I'm doing this mainly as a matter of principle (among other things, that's not the sole reason.)
It's just not right to let companies mess around with us like that. In the end, game developpers and game publishers are buisness partners. We're the customers. If we stop buying Sony's stuff/sell what we already own, what good will a good relationship with buisness partners do? Chances are, not much. And yet, nowadays companies like sony seems to favour their relatioships with them rather than us.
Plus, there are quite a lot of people who used PS3s as computer clusters (mainly universities), and people who used it to learn how to code on the CELL for cheap. While the universities have no real interest in updating the firmware, a students without a lot of money could use their PS3 both as a tool AND as a game system. Now they can't.
Furthermore, the fact that the PS3 use the CELL as its CPU could lead to interesting and PS3 specific homebrews. But I wouldn't know, since I'm not a dev.
On top of that, Xzyliac is probably correct. Quite a few standard features of game consoles right now probably come from the success of their homebrew versions.
Those are some exemples, I'm sure there are other uses for it that I can't think of right now, but you get the idea.
It's just not right to let companies mess around with us like that. In the end, game developpers and game publishers are buisness partners. We're the customers. If we stop buying Sony's stuff/sell what we already own, what good will a good relationship with buisness partners do? Chances are, not much. And yet, nowadays companies like sony seems to favour their relatioships with them rather than us.
Plus, there are quite a lot of people who used PS3s as computer clusters (mainly universities), and people who used it to learn how to code on the CELL for cheap. While the universities have no real interest in updating the firmware, a students without a lot of money could use their PS3 both as a tool AND as a game system. Now they can't.
Furthermore, the fact that the PS3 use the CELL as its CPU could lead to interesting and PS3 specific homebrews. But I wouldn't know, since I'm not a dev.
On top of that, Xzyliac is probably correct. Quite a few standard features of game consoles right now probably come from the success of their homebrew versions.
Those are some exemples, I'm sure there are other uses for it that I can't think of right now, but you get the idea.
@LittleBigD
Keep it hooked up to my TV with my 360 at all times? I've only got two HDMI ports. I've got little interest in picking up a decent HDMI splitter (they're expensive enough that it's not cost-effective), and beyond that, my laptop is meant to be mobile. Having it hooked up to my TV at all times would be a pain.
Like I said, this is a matter of convenience for me right now. Right now if I want to emulate, I typically just do it using my laptop. But plugging a wired controller into my laptop, putting it on the coffee table, and playing on the couch with a big, silent, unused 42" TV looming in the background is strange.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has more HDMI-using devices than HDMI ports, and most devices on the market which do things wirelessly still have a big enough delay to be a pain in the ass and are also expensive enough that, well, fuck that. If something can reduce the number of HDMI ports I need on my TV, I'm all for it.
Keep it hooked up to my TV with my 360 at all times? I've only got two HDMI ports. I've got little interest in picking up a decent HDMI splitter (they're expensive enough that it's not cost-effective), and beyond that, my laptop is meant to be mobile. Having it hooked up to my TV at all times would be a pain.
Like I said, this is a matter of convenience for me right now. Right now if I want to emulate, I typically just do it using my laptop. But plugging a wired controller into my laptop, putting it on the coffee table, and playing on the couch with a big, silent, unused 42" TV looming in the background is strange.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has more HDMI-using devices than HDMI ports, and most devices on the market which do things wirelessly still have a big enough delay to be a pain in the ass and are also expensive enough that, well, fuck that. If something can reduce the number of HDMI ports I need on my TV, I'm all for it.
Keep it professional Destructoid. Wouldn't be surprised if you were blacklisted by Sony for this though.
I love how people are calling Destructoid pro-piracy for reporting this.
In other news: CNN has been called pro-Taliban for reporting Osama Bin Laden's latest speech.
In other news: CNN has been called pro-Taliban for reporting Osama Bin Laden's latest speech.
@Mobius
I can completely agree with that. Most Universities, and the US military that use the CELL clusters probably haven't updated since purchase anyways, so I doubt they are worried at all.
I also agree with Xzyliac, as if it wasn't for XBMC we probably wouldn't have all the bells and whistles on the Xbox and Playstation that we do.
However, doing this doesn't really do anything for me personally. I can recode my own video's for streaming, and because I'm a "hoarder" of type's with video game consoles (that I don't mind taking out and setting up) there would be no need to pirate if the option became readily available, as I'm sure it will down the road.
I have a Macbook, and PC that dualboots W7 and Linux for noobs..... Ubuntu. :)
Pretty much any of my gaming, or streaming needs are covered. It's not to say it couldn't lead to something interesting, look at what's being done with Kinect once Microsoft was kind of forced (yes I believe they were forced) to release a driver for homebrew type apps. Some of it blows my mind.
The possibility of homebrew is staggering when you think of it. In the end though were dealing with video games, a form of media, and people are always looking for a way to get media for free. I have no doubt that this will lead to minimal (compared to the DS anyways) piracy, which in the end only hurts everyone who enjoys gaming.
I can completely agree with that. Most Universities, and the US military that use the CELL clusters probably haven't updated since purchase anyways, so I doubt they are worried at all.
I also agree with Xzyliac, as if it wasn't for XBMC we probably wouldn't have all the bells and whistles on the Xbox and Playstation that we do.
However, doing this doesn't really do anything for me personally. I can recode my own video's for streaming, and because I'm a "hoarder" of type's with video game consoles (that I don't mind taking out and setting up) there would be no need to pirate if the option became readily available, as I'm sure it will down the road.
I have a Macbook, and PC that dualboots W7 and Linux for noobs..... Ubuntu. :)
Pretty much any of my gaming, or streaming needs are covered. It's not to say it couldn't lead to something interesting, look at what's being done with Kinect once Microsoft was kind of forced (yes I believe they were forced) to release a driver for homebrew type apps. Some of it blows my mind.
The possibility of homebrew is staggering when you think of it. In the end though were dealing with video games, a form of media, and people are always looking for a way to get media for free. I have no doubt that this will lead to minimal (compared to the DS anyways) piracy, which in the end only hurts everyone who enjoys gaming.
Yeah, the firmware updates are gonna be crazy ~.~. It would be nice if this could run some native streaming software that worked better than PS3 Media Center, so it could get codecs ported to run native on the console instead of having to encode and stream them to it.
My PS3 actually sees most of it's use as a Netflix/Media Streamer these days.
My PS3 actually sees most of it's use as a Netflix/Media Streamer these days.
@Nyktharas
Most. Not all. Which becomes a sticking point when a couple of the games which don't fall under the Most portion. Plus, after a couple years of using emulators with advanced graphics filtering, upped resolutions, etc, it's kind of hard to go back to bog standard, basic "official" emulation.
Like I said, my main issue here is the convenience of it. As for using it for PS3 game piracy... I'm not trying to justify that. Fuck those guys. However, I'm just saying this has legitimate use for consumers. If I wanted to pirate, I've done a piss-poor job of it thus far. My game collection this gen alone sits at around 160 disc-based titles or so, with another 80 downloadables thrown in for good measure.
Most. Not all. Which becomes a sticking point when a couple of the games which don't fall under the Most portion. Plus, after a couple years of using emulators with advanced graphics filtering, upped resolutions, etc, it's kind of hard to go back to bog standard, basic "official" emulation.
Like I said, my main issue here is the convenience of it. As for using it for PS3 game piracy... I'm not trying to justify that. Fuck those guys. However, I'm just saying this has legitimate use for consumers. If I wanted to pirate, I've done a piss-poor job of it thus far. My game collection this gen alone sits at around 160 disc-based titles or so, with another 80 downloadables thrown in for good measure.
Wait a minute, so you're telling me that weirdly shaped XBMC-thingie hooked up to my TV can also play Xbox games? Strange, because that's something I don't remember doing EVER.
I actually dug ye olde Xbox yesterday, and reminded myself how amazing XBMC is. Until I got my HDTV with a usb port, my Xbox was the closest I had to a media center and it worked damn well for that purpose. That's the reason why I bought it a couple of years ago (it was already modded and extremely cheap, so it was convenient), but I can't hide the fact that I also used it very rarely for emulation purposes.
Yesterday, I also fired up MAME on the Xbox and played some Donpachi and Dodonpachi, which was simply amazing, I didn't knew it worked almost perfectly on it.
Of course, if anyone does know where I can find such actual arcade machines for thoe games lying around here in Rio, please tell me where they are so I can waste 100 bucks in quarters at them right now, I never got to see one of those in person.
Now, I actually didn't knew bout the streaming porn part, I remember trying a Youtube plugin, but that damn thing never worked, need to check that ASAP
I actually dug ye olde Xbox yesterday, and reminded myself how amazing XBMC is. Until I got my HDTV with a usb port, my Xbox was the closest I had to a media center and it worked damn well for that purpose. That's the reason why I bought it a couple of years ago (it was already modded and extremely cheap, so it was convenient), but I can't hide the fact that I also used it very rarely for emulation purposes.
Yesterday, I also fired up MAME on the Xbox and played some Donpachi and Dodonpachi, which was simply amazing, I didn't knew it worked almost perfectly on it.
Of course, if anyone does know where I can find such actual arcade machines for thoe games lying around here in Rio, please tell me where they are so I can waste 100 bucks in quarters at them right now, I never got to see one of those in person.
Now, I actually didn't knew bout the streaming porn part, I remember trying a Youtube plugin, but that damn thing never worked, need to check that ASAP
1. Ps3 got hacked last wich makes it "better " in terms of security than other consoles aka xbox360 and wii .
2. Yes pirates will now be happy for this booty .
3.Think of the MODDING possibilities and HOMEBEW apps/games more bang for the console .
If this works out great with it being hacked the number of PS3's sold will GO SKY HIGH !!!!!!!!!!!!
2. Yes pirates will now be happy for this booty .
3.Think of the MODDING possibilities and HOMEBEW apps/games more bang for the console .
If this works out great with it being hacked the number of PS3's sold will GO SKY HIGH !!!!!!!!!!!!
@Nyktharas: Well, of course, this is not a problem that affects everyone. But I think it's a question of understanding. If you understand it can't be hurtful for some people, even if it's not to you, you could (or maybe should?) support them, because maybe one day the role will be reversed, you know? Kinda like the poem "First they came".
As for Kinect... People are pretty short sighted (I'm not saying this as an offense) if they think that Kinect is its own only goal. Microsoft spent a lot of money on that tech, and that's because they are looking at the future. The whole multi-touch stuff is a patent minefield, so Microsoft looked ahead to see what could possibly the next meaningful mean of interaction with a device. If they score, they'll score BIG: They'll have the entire "motion based controls" thing locked down. Kinect is only their first real world scale test. So when people write drivers for Kinect (They did not hack Kinect. Hacking require a software and/or hardware modification of the way a device usually act. Here, everything is done on the computer side. They only wrote a way for Kinect and the computer to "speak" together.), they're only doing what Microsoft intend to do later with more powerful and precise devices.
A little off topic: I found Linux Mint to be better than Ubuntu. It's based on it, so all the program available on Ubuntu are also available on it, but it's simpler and far more enjoyable to use than Ubuntu in my opinion. It's just as easy to set up, so I'd recommend you check it out if you want to.
Quite the enjoyable conversation, by the way.
As for Kinect... People are pretty short sighted (I'm not saying this as an offense) if they think that Kinect is its own only goal. Microsoft spent a lot of money on that tech, and that's because they are looking at the future. The whole multi-touch stuff is a patent minefield, so Microsoft looked ahead to see what could possibly the next meaningful mean of interaction with a device. If they score, they'll score BIG: They'll have the entire "motion based controls" thing locked down. Kinect is only their first real world scale test. So when people write drivers for Kinect (They did not hack Kinect. Hacking require a software and/or hardware modification of the way a device usually act. Here, everything is done on the computer side. They only wrote a way for Kinect and the computer to "speak" together.), they're only doing what Microsoft intend to do later with more powerful and precise devices.
A little off topic: I found Linux Mint to be better than Ubuntu. It's based on it, so all the program available on Ubuntu are also available on it, but it's simpler and far more enjoyable to use than Ubuntu in my opinion. It's just as easy to set up, so I'd recommend you check it out if you want to.
Quite the enjoyable conversation, by the way.
@meteorscrap
I want to be able to play the psp games I buy on psn with a ps3 controller. I don't have a psp.
I want to be able to play the psp games I buy on psn with a ps3 controller. I don't have a psp.
@smartblue
Ah, that one I don't think they've implemented yet, if they ever will. Which, come to think of it, they should try to do. Opening games to a new market would be a good thing.
Ah, that one I don't think they've implemented yet, if they ever will. Which, come to think of it, they should try to do. Opening games to a new market would be a good thing.
I love how people are condemning someone for having the imagination to "hack" into a system and try and improve it, Im not one for piracy and will always pay for something but what happens when a multi million/billion dollar company takes away something you payed for? wouldn't that be considered theft? yet the people who take a stand and say no, we payed for this right when we purchased your product so we are gonna make it available since you want to steal it from us. yet people are calling them pirates, If you want to call people who take this information and steal from developers who make a game that should be purchased a pirate go for it, but someone who is taking a stand against a multi million/billion dollar company isn't a pirate.
"I dont understand how you can post this publicly with all sorts of images and techniques.
This is VERY unproffessional and the author should be fired."
go fuck yourself faceless avatar person, this was a great knowledge filled piece of journalism. dtoid didn't leak the keys or develop any of the techniques. they only reported on what is perhaps the biggest step towards truly unlocking a consoles homebrew this generation. but shoot the messenger right?
anyways, i can't wait to get back into linux and mednafen and hopefully i'll have the ps3's full power unlocked when i go back into it, its just locked away for now on my hdd with no way to get back into it.
i'm one of very few who actually installed yellow dog on my ps3 and i will never trust one thing sony says they won't do. they promised they would never take it away and then they boldfaced lied. sony is being held accountable for this, and its the one way to fuck them up their asses aside from never buying another sony hardware product again.
i also really hope i can my sega saturn panzer dragoon saga disc in and yabusa will read it. that's the fucking greatest sega rpg ever! as is, i don't have my ps3 jailbroken and can't wait to see all the awesome shit she'll do when everything is out in the "open".
first open home console this generation and boy what a wait. i do gotta hand it sony for such a secure system, but the wait is gonna be worth it.
it'll take some time for all the devs to code all the bells and whistles properly, and maybe sony will start to give us things the mobiles apps do. but its all moving at lightspeed now!
ya for us! the consumer is gonna the real winner once again.
This is VERY unproffessional and the author should be fired."
go fuck yourself faceless avatar person, this was a great knowledge filled piece of journalism. dtoid didn't leak the keys or develop any of the techniques. they only reported on what is perhaps the biggest step towards truly unlocking a consoles homebrew this generation. but shoot the messenger right?
anyways, i can't wait to get back into linux and mednafen and hopefully i'll have the ps3's full power unlocked when i go back into it, its just locked away for now on my hdd with no way to get back into it.
i'm one of very few who actually installed yellow dog on my ps3 and i will never trust one thing sony says they won't do. they promised they would never take it away and then they boldfaced lied. sony is being held accountable for this, and its the one way to fuck them up their asses aside from never buying another sony hardware product again.
i also really hope i can my sega saturn panzer dragoon saga disc in and yabusa will read it. that's the fucking greatest sega rpg ever! as is, i don't have my ps3 jailbroken and can't wait to see all the awesome shit she'll do when everything is out in the "open".
first open home console this generation and boy what a wait. i do gotta hand it sony for such a secure system, but the wait is gonna be worth it.
it'll take some time for all the devs to code all the bells and whistles properly, and maybe sony will start to give us things the mobiles apps do. but its all moving at lightspeed now!
ya for us! the consumer is gonna the real winner once again.
@Mobius
You can't compare what's happening here to the authorized research utilizing the PS3's technology by organizations like Universities or the US Air Force. They have legal agreements in place that outline the do and do nots that likely involve severe financial penalties should anyone doing the research cross a certain line. And if the Air Force needs two dozen PS3's capable of running Linux to launch a rocket to the moon I'm sure Sony is happy to provide them with along with accompanying documentation.
If you want the other os feature back you do it the legit way. Hook up with one of the groups trying to sue Sony over the removal. Although let's face it you know there's fine print somewhere in the PS3 owners manual that permits them to make that change.
You can't compare what's happening here to the authorized research utilizing the PS3's technology by organizations like Universities or the US Air Force. They have legal agreements in place that outline the do and do nots that likely involve severe financial penalties should anyone doing the research cross a certain line. And if the Air Force needs two dozen PS3's capable of running Linux to launch a rocket to the moon I'm sure Sony is happy to provide them with along with accompanying documentation.
If you want the other os feature back you do it the legit way. Hook up with one of the groups trying to sue Sony over the removal. Although let's face it you know there's fine print somewhere in the PS3 owners manual that permits them to make that change.
Well I'm both pleased and disappointed at the same time.
Pleased because I'm interested to see what people do with the hardware.
Disappointed because I'm sure this is going to translate into some piracy.
The latter being inevitable either way.
To those who think any amount of firmware is going to fix this.... its not. Its like this, You lost the keys to your house. The only way to be sure no one who found those lost key(s) can use it to get into your house is to change the lock on your door. Well if you do that then anyone you gave keys to will no longer be able to use them (EG people you sold games to). So their only viable option invalidates every game they have sold to date, yes they could do it but the company would NEVER recover from it.
Like I said its a mixed bag I am definitly looking forward to seeing what people do with the Cell processor now that they have full access. Could we be looking at Kinect Support for the PS3? Arguably the PS3 has way more ponies under the hood than the 360 and the Kinect is superior in principal to the Move. Seeing as the move is just a single camera that tracks colored spheres and I'm sure the Kinect can be instructed on how to do that.
Hell look at it this way to all the Doomsayers that "Oh this will usher in an age of untold piracy and the poor starving developers will have to go with one less porsche this year" the DVD codec was leaked shortly after DVDs became widespread ..... last time I checked DVDs were still doing fine. Meaning in a few weeks everything will be back to status quo.
Pleased because I'm interested to see what people do with the hardware.
Disappointed because I'm sure this is going to translate into some piracy.
The latter being inevitable either way.
To those who think any amount of firmware is going to fix this.... its not. Its like this, You lost the keys to your house. The only way to be sure no one who found those lost key(s) can use it to get into your house is to change the lock on your door. Well if you do that then anyone you gave keys to will no longer be able to use them (EG people you sold games to). So their only viable option invalidates every game they have sold to date, yes they could do it but the company would NEVER recover from it.
Like I said its a mixed bag I am definitly looking forward to seeing what people do with the Cell processor now that they have full access. Could we be looking at Kinect Support for the PS3? Arguably the PS3 has way more ponies under the hood than the 360 and the Kinect is superior in principal to the Move. Seeing as the move is just a single camera that tracks colored spheres and I'm sure the Kinect can be instructed on how to do that.
Hell look at it this way to all the Doomsayers that "Oh this will usher in an age of untold piracy and the poor starving developers will have to go with one less porsche this year" the DVD codec was leaked shortly after DVDs became widespread ..... last time I checked DVDs were still doing fine. Meaning in a few weeks everything will be back to status quo.
Just stopped by to laugh out loud at the guy whose name is "Im The Singer in Symphony X".
Thanks. I needed that.
Thanks. I needed that.
littlebigD, just because an owners manual says they can come into your home and steal your jeweler and behead you, doesn't make it legal. sony pulled the ol bait and switch and fuck em for doing that.
imagine you buy a new car with a warranty and they advertised free gps or bose radio, then they come a year later and say they'll need to take it away or will void that warranty, how would you react? those two things have zero affect on the actual car, they are features, but they'll lose more money (so they think) if they leave them in.
point is, they already took linux out of slims, only a few had the patience and know how to install linux on a discontinued (but still superior) model. what they did ain't right and they are to be held accountable now, we're sick and tired of the ones to be punished for their liars policies.
and about those universities and armed service linux ps3's.
if one of those machines break, they can't get a new one or send it to sony for repairs, because its sony's policy to install the latest firmwares on repair units, because their repair tools are constantly updated to work on the newest firmwares. maybe sony would give the armed services some kind of leeway, but this is a company that has already made its millions of the armed services, they have contractual obligations to keep them supplied. it was a one time deal and there is already newer better, cheaper clusters they have been buying.
imagine you buy a new car with a warranty and they advertised free gps or bose radio, then they come a year later and say they'll need to take it away or will void that warranty, how would you react? those two things have zero affect on the actual car, they are features, but they'll lose more money (so they think) if they leave them in.
point is, they already took linux out of slims, only a few had the patience and know how to install linux on a discontinued (but still superior) model. what they did ain't right and they are to be held accountable now, we're sick and tired of the ones to be punished for their liars policies.
and about those universities and armed service linux ps3's.
if one of those machines break, they can't get a new one or send it to sony for repairs, because its sony's policy to install the latest firmwares on repair units, because their repair tools are constantly updated to work on the newest firmwares. maybe sony would give the armed services some kind of leeway, but this is a company that has already made its millions of the armed services, they have contractual obligations to keep them supplied. it was a one time deal and there is already newer better, cheaper clusters they have been buying.
@Qraze
If Sony decides to slip a definition into their licensing agreement that permits them to enter my home whenever they like, take my jewelry, and cut my head off, and I agree to it without reading it then I guess I might just be on the hook for it. I suppose it'd be a good idea to read all the legal print next time.
For better or worse gaming systems just aren't the same as they used to be. As long as you're online Sony can access your PS3 at almost anytime, and make adjustments as they see fit. The have the legal agreements that allow them to do it.
The fact is that these guys don't have the legal right to crack the machine like this. The only reason to do it is to play copied or bootlegged games. Bitching about the loss of the other os is just the way they justify doing it to themselves.
If Sony decides to slip a definition into their licensing agreement that permits them to enter my home whenever they like, take my jewelry, and cut my head off, and I agree to it without reading it then I guess I might just be on the hook for it. I suppose it'd be a good idea to read all the legal print next time.
For better or worse gaming systems just aren't the same as they used to be. As long as you're online Sony can access your PS3 at almost anytime, and make adjustments as they see fit. The have the legal agreements that allow them to do it.
The fact is that these guys don't have the legal right to crack the machine like this. The only reason to do it is to play copied or bootlegged games. Bitching about the loss of the other os is just the way they justify doing it to themselves.
I have a modded Xbox, and I ONLY bought it because of XBMC (was called XBMP at the time I bought it). I ended up buying far too many games, and downloaded games to try out, too. But I mostly only used it for XBMC.
Since my PS3 already can stream almost any video files (except a handful of files - and I avoid MKV files, for now) as well as music and pictures, I don't see much of a need to run homebrew on my PS3. I'm not interested in piracy on my PS3; I already have far too many games that I haven't finished. If I went there, I'd never finish anything again. Ever.
Sony shoulda left Linux support on the PS3. That's the only thing that gave them a few good unhacked years up-front. The private key could have been hacked before the PS3 turned one, had these hackers had any reason to try for it.
I really hope the firmware updates don't start flowing in heavier than before, because this is a problem that CAN'T be fixed, so firmware updates won't do much at all. The only firmware update that could have prevented this was one that brought back OtherOS support, and that's too late now.
Since my PS3 already can stream almost any video files (except a handful of files - and I avoid MKV files, for now) as well as music and pictures, I don't see much of a need to run homebrew on my PS3. I'm not interested in piracy on my PS3; I already have far too many games that I haven't finished. If I went there, I'd never finish anything again. Ever.
Sony shoulda left Linux support on the PS3. That's the only thing that gave them a few good unhacked years up-front. The private key could have been hacked before the PS3 turned one, had these hackers had any reason to try for it.
I really hope the firmware updates don't start flowing in heavier than before, because this is a problem that CAN'T be fixed, so firmware updates won't do much at all. The only firmware update that could have prevented this was one that brought back OtherOS support, and that's too late now.
@Scuffles
Another option, though one that'd be stupidly labor-intensive, would be to figure out the acceptable keys currently generated for official software presently being developed or already released, and then store those as manual, in-system checks. At present, that'd probably be about a thousand keys to manually check.
Then, at the same time, release a new code-generation formula and implement that. So new games being created would generate a different key from the one cracked, and the new firmware update would read the different key correctly. Of course, if Sony were smart enough to come up with one key, they probably should have been smart enough to build in redundant backups which don't do anything and are generated differently and can be triggered differently. I'm not sure how effective that would be (if, say, Sony had had four key-types hidden below the first in case the first was cracked, depending on the method used to find it, all five might have been cracked anyway), but it wouldn't have hurt any.
Plus, you know Sony would have felt smug as fuck if all this time was spent cracking the first key and one programmer working for one hour on a firmware update to the PS3 could undo all of it. "Well guys, better luck next time!"
Anyway, regarding the Kinect, I don't think the PS3 could do much to improve on the technology at hand. All the drivers would have to be ported or completely rewritten for the PS3, which would defeat the purpose in the first place: The Kinect is just two webcams. Most of the heavy lifting going on is software-related. Anything the PS3 could do with the Kinect could be done just as easily on a PC, which is where I imagine most of the homebrew for it emerging anyway.
@LittleBigD
Or they do it for the hobby of it. I know, I know. Crazy thought, but there you have it. I'm not saying that this won't wind up being used for piracy. That's not what I'm saying at all. However, to say that this has NO use aside from piracy is absurdly ignorant.
Another option, though one that'd be stupidly labor-intensive, would be to figure out the acceptable keys currently generated for official software presently being developed or already released, and then store those as manual, in-system checks. At present, that'd probably be about a thousand keys to manually check.
Then, at the same time, release a new code-generation formula and implement that. So new games being created would generate a different key from the one cracked, and the new firmware update would read the different key correctly. Of course, if Sony were smart enough to come up with one key, they probably should have been smart enough to build in redundant backups which don't do anything and are generated differently and can be triggered differently. I'm not sure how effective that would be (if, say, Sony had had four key-types hidden below the first in case the first was cracked, depending on the method used to find it, all five might have been cracked anyway), but it wouldn't have hurt any.
Plus, you know Sony would have felt smug as fuck if all this time was spent cracking the first key and one programmer working for one hour on a firmware update to the PS3 could undo all of it. "Well guys, better luck next time!"
Anyway, regarding the Kinect, I don't think the PS3 could do much to improve on the technology at hand. All the drivers would have to be ported or completely rewritten for the PS3, which would defeat the purpose in the first place: The Kinect is just two webcams. Most of the heavy lifting going on is software-related. Anything the PS3 could do with the Kinect could be done just as easily on a PC, which is where I imagine most of the homebrew for it emerging anyway.
@LittleBigD
Or they do it for the hobby of it. I know, I know. Crazy thought, but there you have it. I'm not saying that this won't wind up being used for piracy. That's not what I'm saying at all. However, to say that this has NO use aside from piracy is absurdly ignorant.
OtherOS sucked. A netbook would be a better Linux machine. Seriously, the ps3 has 512 mega of ram, had no access to the rsx with Linux.. WTF are you all using Linux in such an anemic form to do? Send emails with your ps3? I don't buy any of it.. This is for people to pirate games.
I don't understand how people can get upset at the author for posting about this, its not as if he was the one cracking the PS3, he's simply reporting a story.
/agree with Xzyliac's first post. This is essentially no different than jailbreaking an iOS device, or rooting an Android. All it's doing is allowing the hardware to be used for more than it's original intent. Sure, piracy is going to happen, but to say that homebrew is a "cover" for piracy is being shortsighted.
/agree with Xzyliac's first post. This is essentially no different than jailbreaking an iOS device, or rooting an Android. All it's doing is allowing the hardware to be used for more than it's original intent. Sure, piracy is going to happen, but to say that homebrew is a "cover" for piracy is being shortsighted.
Most people use these exploits for "homebrew"?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Oh man, that's rich. Of course a mod/hack exploit that Sony can't patch out is going to be mostly used for "homebrew". Unless you're referring to emulators of course.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Oh man, that's rich. Of course a mod/hack exploit that Sony can't patch out is going to be mostly used for "homebrew". Unless you're referring to emulators of course.
And as for the people just assuming by "homebrew" we mean "piracy," there are a TON of awesome homebrew programs out there for the Wii, for example. Not everyone homes in on making illegal copies of games.
Sony did bring this onto itself, as one of the commentators said. The interest in hacking grew when newer PS3's removed otherOS, and it went through the roof when Sony forced older PS3's to not support otherOS.
It would eventually happen, but I guess this tripled / quadrupled the interest. Argh, Sony.
It would eventually happen, but I guess this tripled / quadrupled the interest. Argh, Sony.
I really dnt see nothing wrong with this ever since DLC became popular on these generation consoles we've been getting rip off we pay 65 dollars for an half made game and another 15 to 20 dollars to unlock content thts already on the disk...I pay for my games IMO
The only thing I might be interested in would be if they circumvented the region locks for disk movie playback and PS2 games. I have a buttload of PS2 games I'd like to play again without having to dig out my old PS2 and plugging it in.
Pirates are a scourge and I can only hope their systems, TVs, toasters, coffee makers etc; all get fried to hell. I don't need no frigging hack to play my games (which I purchase, I don't leech) Damm them all to hell! LEECHERS!
Ugh, more bullcrap piracy mascarading as "homebrew". I'm sure sony will end up issuing a massive firmware update. Add another layer of security here, add additional random algorithm there, and bam! No more homebrew. I also wouldn't be suprised to see sony sue a few of these guys.
Hackers, free loaders, pirates, criminals all seem to have 1 thing in common; they all want things they can't afford and don't have the drive to earn the monie$ required to purchase these "things". So what do they do?..they steal, hack, corrupt, destroy everything and then cry like lil bitches,,wah! wah! they made me do it, wah, wah, it's too expensive! I'm a victim! wah, wah! Grow a pair, get a job and quit yer damm belly aching, be a man!(or WOman)
I know alot of people are sick of the ps3 firmware updates but i hope they keep shooting them out faster daily even if i can get a daily dose of codes to stop piracy and to keep my ps3 unhackable ill be happy maybe some more features too :D
@Qraze: that's a fucking stupid example you gave Littlebigd, the reason why sony took away the OtherOS was because of Geohot, didn't he try to hack the ps3 earlier? any company would try to protect their products. instead of blaming sony blame him.
To be fair, the PS3 did most everything a modded Xbox could, right out of the box.
As long as you're happy to pay for your old games and such.
As long as you're happy to pay for your old games and such.
Just so you guys know,we havent being sitting om our ass'es pirating all day :D
Theres actually some quite awesome homebrew released for ps3.Heres the list
MASTER LIST OF HOMEBREWS:
Game Backup Managers:
Backup Manager
Gaia Manager
multiMAN
Open Manager (original)
Open Manager (mod) with Open Copy Install
Emulators:
FBAnext (Multi-Arcade Emulator)FCEU (NES Emulator)
Gamebatte (Game Boy & Game Boy Color Emulator)
Mednafen (Multi-System Emulator)
Nestopia (NES Emulator)
PCE.emu (PC Engine / TurboGrafx-16 Emulator)
SNESS9X (Super Nintendo Emulator)
VBA PS3 (Game Boy, Game Boy Color, & Game Boy Advance Emulator)
nintendo ds(coming soon)
dreamcast (coming quite a bit later :D)
Payloads:
EZPayloadToTi
PSGroove / PSFreedom Payload
PSGroove PSN Payload
Rockbox
File Manager:
Comgenie's Awesome File Manager
FORCE PACKAGE NPDRM & PSN PACKAGE NPDRM
FTP Server by blackb0x
FTP Server by CJPC
Game Ripper
PKG Fast Unpacker
PSARC File Extractor (CLI and GUI version)
Safeimg
Homebrew Games:
Doom
cubicle shooter
Neo Race
dont get crushed
neo tanks
cascade beneath
the world drowns
maze generator
heretic and hexen
Firmwares:
nXMB
USB Firmware Loader
Other OS Alternative
Hermes AsbestOS Loader
Open AsbestOS Loader
Miscellaneous Apps:
MHUFreeStore
Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=15398#ixzz19gNW8bNu
Please tell me if i missed anything :D
Theres actually some quite awesome homebrew released for ps3.Heres the list
MASTER LIST OF HOMEBREWS:
Game Backup Managers:
Backup Manager
Gaia Manager
multiMAN
Open Manager (original)
Open Manager (mod) with Open Copy Install
Emulators:
FBAnext (Multi-Arcade Emulator)FCEU (NES Emulator)
Gamebatte (Game Boy & Game Boy Color Emulator)
Mednafen (Multi-System Emulator)
Nestopia (NES Emulator)
PCE.emu (PC Engine / TurboGrafx-16 Emulator)
SNESS9X (Super Nintendo Emulator)
VBA PS3 (Game Boy, Game Boy Color, & Game Boy Advance Emulator)
nintendo ds(coming soon)
dreamcast (coming quite a bit later :D)
Payloads:
EZPayloadToTi
PSGroove / PSFreedom Payload
PSGroove PSN Payload
Rockbox
File Manager:
Comgenie's Awesome File Manager
FORCE PACKAGE NPDRM & PSN PACKAGE NPDRM
FTP Server by blackb0x
FTP Server by CJPC
Game Ripper
PKG Fast Unpacker
PSARC File Extractor (CLI and GUI version)
Safeimg
Homebrew Games:
Doom
cubicle shooter
Neo Race
dont get crushed
neo tanks
cascade beneath
the world drowns
maze generator
heretic and hexen
Firmwares:
nXMB
USB Firmware Loader
Other OS Alternative
Hermes AsbestOS Loader
Open AsbestOS Loader
Miscellaneous Apps:
MHUFreeStore
Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=15398#ixzz19gNW8bNu
Please tell me if i missed anything :D
Just so you guys know,we havent being sitting on our ass'es pirating all day :D
Theres actually some quite awesome homebrew released for ps3.Heres the list
MASTER LIST OF HOMEBREWS:
Game Backup Managers:
Backup Manager
Gaia Manager
multiMAN
Open Manager (original)
Open Manager (mod) with Open Copy Install
Emulators:
FBAnext (Multi-Arcade Emulator)FCEU (NES Emulator)
Gamebatte (Game Boy & Game Boy Color Emulator)
Mednafen (Multi-System Emulator)
Nestopia (NES Emulator)
PCE.emu (PC Engine / TurboGrafx-16 Emulator)
SNESS9X (Super Nintendo Emulator)
VBA PS3 (Game Boy, Game Boy Color, & Game Boy Advance Emulator)
nintendo ds(coming soon)
dreamcast (coming quite a bit later :D)
ps3x (ps1 emulator)
Payloads:
EZPayloadToTi
PSGroove / PSFreedom Payload
PSGroove PSN Payload
Rockbox
File Manager:
Comgenie's Awesome File Manager
FORCE PACKAGE NPDRM & PSN PACKAGE NPDRM
FTP Server by blackb0x
FTP Server by CJPC
Game Ripper
PKG Fast Unpacker
PSARC File Extractor (CLI and GUI version)
Safeimg
Homebrew Games:
Doom
cubicle shooter
Neo Race
dont get crushed
neo tanks
cascade beneath
the world drowns
maze generator
heretic and hexen
Firmwares:
nXMB
USB Firmware Loader
Other OS Alternative
Hermes AsbestOS Loader
Open AsbestOS Loader
Miscellaneous Apps:
MHUFreeStore
Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=15398#ixzz19gNW8bNu
Please tell me if i missed anything :D
Theres actually some quite awesome homebrew released for ps3.Heres the list
MASTER LIST OF HOMEBREWS:
Game Backup Managers:
Backup Manager
Gaia Manager
multiMAN
Open Manager (original)
Open Manager (mod) with Open Copy Install
Emulators:
FBAnext (Multi-Arcade Emulator)FCEU (NES Emulator)
Gamebatte (Game Boy & Game Boy Color Emulator)
Mednafen (Multi-System Emulator)
Nestopia (NES Emulator)
PCE.emu (PC Engine / TurboGrafx-16 Emulator)
SNESS9X (Super Nintendo Emulator)
VBA PS3 (Game Boy, Game Boy Color, & Game Boy Advance Emulator)
nintendo ds(coming soon)
dreamcast (coming quite a bit later :D)
ps3x (ps1 emulator)
Payloads:
EZPayloadToTi
PSGroove / PSFreedom Payload
PSGroove PSN Payload
Rockbox
File Manager:
Comgenie's Awesome File Manager
FORCE PACKAGE NPDRM & PSN PACKAGE NPDRM
FTP Server by blackb0x
FTP Server by CJPC
Game Ripper
PKG Fast Unpacker
PSARC File Extractor (CLI and GUI version)
Safeimg
Homebrew Games:
Doom
cubicle shooter
Neo Race
dont get crushed
neo tanks
cascade beneath
the world drowns
maze generator
heretic and hexen
Firmwares:
nXMB
USB Firmware Loader
Other OS Alternative
Hermes AsbestOS Loader
Open AsbestOS Loader
Miscellaneous Apps:
MHUFreeStore
Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=15398#ixzz19gNW8bNu
Please tell me if i missed anything :D
Just so you guys know,we havent being sitting on our ass'es pirating all day :D
Theres actually some quite awesome homebrew released for ps3.Heres the list
MASTER LIST OF HOMEBREWS:
Game Backup Managers:
Backup Manager
Gaia Manager
multiMAN
Open Manager (original)
Open Manager (mod) with Open Copy Install
Emulators:
FBAnext (Multi-Arcade Emulator)FCEU (NES Emulator)
Gamebatte (Game Boy & Game Boy Color Emulator)
Mednafen (Multi-System Emulator)
Nestopia (NES Emulator)
PCE.emu (PC Engine / TurboGrafx-16 Emulator)
SNESS9X (Super Nintendo Emulator)
VBA PS3 (Game Boy, Game Boy Color, & Game Boy Advance Emulator)
nintendo ds(coming soon)
dreamcast (coming quite a bit later :D)
ps3x (ps1 emulator)
Payloads:
EZPayloadToTi
PSGroove / PSFreedom Payload
PSGroove PSN Payload
Rockbox
File Manager:
Comgenie's Awesome File Manager
FORCE PACKAGE NPDRM & PSN PACKAGE NPDRM
FTP Server by blackb0x
FTP Server by CJPC
Game Ripper
PKG Fast Unpacker
PSARC File Extractor (CLI and GUI version)
Safeimg
Homebrew Games:
Doom
cubicle shooter
Neo Race
dont get crushed
neo tanks
cascade beneath
the world drowns
maze generator
heretic and hexen
Firmwares:
nXMB
USB Firmware Loader
Other OS Alternative
Hermes AsbestOS Loader
Open AsbestOS Loader
Miscellaneous Apps:
MHUFreeStore
Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=15398#ixzz19gNW8bNu
Please tell me if i missed anything :D
Theres actually some quite awesome homebrew released for ps3.Heres the list
MASTER LIST OF HOMEBREWS:
Game Backup Managers:
Backup Manager
Gaia Manager
multiMAN
Open Manager (original)
Open Manager (mod) with Open Copy Install
Emulators:
FBAnext (Multi-Arcade Emulator)FCEU (NES Emulator)
Gamebatte (Game Boy & Game Boy Color Emulator)
Mednafen (Multi-System Emulator)
Nestopia (NES Emulator)
PCE.emu (PC Engine / TurboGrafx-16 Emulator)
SNESS9X (Super Nintendo Emulator)
VBA PS3 (Game Boy, Game Boy Color, & Game Boy Advance Emulator)
nintendo ds(coming soon)
dreamcast (coming quite a bit later :D)
ps3x (ps1 emulator)
Payloads:
EZPayloadToTi
PSGroove / PSFreedom Payload
PSGroove PSN Payload
Rockbox
File Manager:
Comgenie's Awesome File Manager
FORCE PACKAGE NPDRM & PSN PACKAGE NPDRM
FTP Server by blackb0x
FTP Server by CJPC
Game Ripper
PKG Fast Unpacker
PSARC File Extractor (CLI and GUI version)
Safeimg
Homebrew Games:
Doom
cubicle shooter
Neo Race
dont get crushed
neo tanks
cascade beneath
the world drowns
maze generator
heretic and hexen
Firmwares:
nXMB
USB Firmware Loader
Other OS Alternative
Hermes AsbestOS Loader
Open AsbestOS Loader
Miscellaneous Apps:
MHUFreeStore
Read more: http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php?t=15398#ixzz19gNW8bNu
Please tell me if i missed anything :D
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