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Mehhhh. Until Nestle is taken down, the 3DS is a small drop in a human rights issue.
Seriously, fuck Nestle.
Seriously, fuck Nestle.
As someone that has spent time in remote villages of impoverished nations... I can tell you now, there are much bigger fish to fry then Nintendo. (Although, Nintendo could definitely improve in a few areas, in terms of it's affect on the globe).
It broke my spirit when I first travelled overseas to do some aid work. It completely changed my outlook on life too. I will still be purchasing a 3DS. That facebook group is tripe.
It broke my spirit when I first travelled overseas to do some aid work. It completely changed my outlook on life too. I will still be purchasing a 3DS. That facebook group is tripe.
Correct me if i'm wrong but to me this is basically yet another group taking a popular product and using it as a scapegoat for their cause in order to get more attention.
Kinda hypocritical when Apple's China factories probably still have workers in slave-like conditions and no one seems to give a fuck about it.
Kinda hypocritical when Apple's China factories probably still have workers in slave-like conditions and no one seems to give a fuck about it.
Wow, I was going to not buy the 3DS because I have no money, but now I can pretend I have a deeper reason to why I won't be owning one.
Lady Luck shines upon me once more :D
Lady Luck shines upon me once more :D
^about this whole human rights abuse thing that is, i have pre-ordered my 3DS and no human rights are going to get in my way. :)
@EdgyDude that's because protesters like to defend poor people, or slaves, or people of other colour, or people/animals that can't defend themselves, and protest big capitalist companies even though the majority loves that company to death , like Nintendo
I officially have stopped giving a shit about any drama in the eastern hemisphere. I'm tired of it and they need to get their act together.
@Epic
I swear you just got yanked and killed in mid sentence with your 1st comment and replaced with a level headed person with the 2nd lol
I swear you just got yanked and killed in mid sentence with your 1st comment and replaced with a level headed person with the 2nd lol
Sorry but the mere mention of "Conflict materials" makes me want to go out and buy it just to spite these people. Seriously these people rank right up with the people who tried to remove chocolate milk from primary schools. Far too up in everyone elses business for anyone good.
Sure its apparently fine that another 12 FoxCon employees will commit suicide at the plant in the next year and a half.... but someone is suffering in the Congo so suddenly its a problem.
But I will wager they drive a car and I'd put money that a good portion of the crude oil comes from countries with some pretty substantial human rights violations ..... so if they really want to put their "convictions" where their mouth is they would buy electric .... oh wait the batteries on those things probably contain "conflict materials" so they would walk everywhere? in fair trade hemp shoes ....
Yeah pretty much Scapegoating Nintendo when they probably have a house full of tech that sport "conflict" materials or are manufactured in abhorrent conditions.
Sure its apparently fine that another 12 FoxCon employees will commit suicide at the plant in the next year and a half.... but someone is suffering in the Congo so suddenly its a problem.
But I will wager they drive a car and I'd put money that a good portion of the crude oil comes from countries with some pretty substantial human rights violations ..... so if they really want to put their "convictions" where their mouth is they would buy electric .... oh wait the batteries on those things probably contain "conflict materials" so they would walk everywhere? in fair trade hemp shoes ....
Yeah pretty much Scapegoating Nintendo when they probably have a house full of tech that sport "conflict" materials or are manufactured in abhorrent conditions.
Conflict Minerals really do need more attention than they get. It is a problem. However, it is unfair to single out Nintendo. Basically every piece of electronics has issues with both conflict minerals and abusive factory labor.
That's exactly what I thought. Sure, these conditions in the Congo or wherever are horrible. But if we knew all the products, that are made this way, we would go crazy.
But I can't support the argument, that Nintendo isn't hurt by this. Every consumer, who doesn't buy their stuff is a loss of money. And as we can see, there aren't only two people boycotting Nintendo. For example, I don't buy anything by Ubisoft because of their crappy "be-online-your-whole-life-to-play-five-minutes-because-our-servers-suck" stuff. And although they stopped it for Brotherhood for example, they pissed me off with this, so they won't get any money from me. If I'd do such things also because of work conditions I could sell my computer and half my room's furniture.
But I can't support the argument, that Nintendo isn't hurt by this. Every consumer, who doesn't buy their stuff is a loss of money. And as we can see, there aren't only two people boycotting Nintendo. For example, I don't buy anything by Ubisoft because of their crappy "be-online-your-whole-life-to-play-five-minutes-because-our-servers-suck" stuff. And although they stopped it for Brotherhood for example, they pissed me off with this, so they won't get any money from me. If I'd do such things also because of work conditions I could sell my computer and half my room's furniture.
Sure, that sucks an all, but these guys who mine are in the shittiest country in the world. Stopping the one thing they still have to do, that means the gunnman would probably just kill all the miners.
They're American + they're saying ridicolous stuff
Am I the only one NOT surprised by the connection?
Am I the only one NOT surprised by the connection?
Though Nintendo is given these materials to make the 3DS I doubt that they're actually running some slave camp. There is obviously a third party in this ordeal go after them first and let the 3DS print money like it's predecessors did.
I'll gladly not buy a 3DS.
What the is wrong with you people who don't care that people die in order to produce a product you don't need?
What the is wrong with you people who don't care that people die in order to produce a product you don't need?
Lots of funny comments here.
I'd be a lot happier if there were zero funny commenys. This is not a subject that I see any reason to joke about.
I applaud the group for "using" the 3DS to bring awareness to a serious issue.
I'd be a lot happier if there were zero funny commenys. This is not a subject that I see any reason to joke about.
I applaud the group for "using" the 3DS to bring awareness to a serious issue.
@spineofsnow
You heard the man, this is SERIOUSH BIZNESS
I hope Nintendo says fuck these guys and continue to do whatever, because there are other corporations that need a protestin. Like Sega, because they still haven't made Jet Set Radio 3.
You heard the man, this is SERIOUSH BIZNESS
I hope Nintendo says fuck these guys and continue to do whatever, because there are other corporations that need a protestin. Like Sega, because they still haven't made Jet Set Radio 3.
TBH this whole charade is actually gonna get the 3DS a lot of publicity which probably means sales are just gonna INCREASE
@Neroisonfire Sorry, what's that? I can't hear your whining over the sound my 3DS is making. Besides, I'm pretty sure that the conga-opression-whatever isn't the ONLY way you can get those materials
@Neroisonfire Sorry, what's that? I can't hear your whining over the sound my 3DS is making. Besides, I'm pretty sure that the conga-opression-whatever isn't the ONLY way you can get those materials
Here's the problem with conflict materials. Nintendo, like many companies, only buy these materials from countries that do NOT harvest these materials violently. Of course the entire system is corrupted and a few choice bribes can slip conflict materials away from the countries businesses refuse to deal with into the countries with a good reputation. Some COULD blame Nintendo for this, after all, Shigeru Miyamoto should be mining all of these materials personally and having Nintendo doing their own mining operation to ensure a trustworthy source isn't a 40 year endeavor at all.
Having said that, who do we blame? Nintendo? They may unintentionally support conflict materials (like everyone). No, you know what? Let's blame the source for a goddam change in this overly PC world of "defending those who can't defend themselves." Africa? You listening? FIX YOUR SHIT! Government sponsored AIDS myths that include sex with a virgin will rid you of AIDS leading to nary a 12 year old girl making it to 13 without being horribly and violently raped? FIX YOUR SHIT! The founding of a governmental branch to investigate and prosecute witch doctors because killing your neighbors children for the off chance of a better, richer life is on a dramatic rise the likes of which hasn't been seen since the African Campaign nearly 100 years ago? FIX YOUR SHIT! An entire economy based on deriving minerals from certain areas through horribly mistreated child labor? FIX YOUR SHIT! Maybe it's about time Africa starts working on solving it's out problems. Libya was a start, Conga... you paying attention?
Having said that, who do we blame? Nintendo? They may unintentionally support conflict materials (like everyone). No, you know what? Let's blame the source for a goddam change in this overly PC world of "defending those who can't defend themselves." Africa? You listening? FIX YOUR SHIT! Government sponsored AIDS myths that include sex with a virgin will rid you of AIDS leading to nary a 12 year old girl making it to 13 without being horribly and violently raped? FIX YOUR SHIT! The founding of a governmental branch to investigate and prosecute witch doctors because killing your neighbors children for the off chance of a better, richer life is on a dramatic rise the likes of which hasn't been seen since the African Campaign nearly 100 years ago? FIX YOUR SHIT! An entire economy based on deriving minerals from certain areas through horribly mistreated child labor? FIX YOUR SHIT! Maybe it's about time Africa starts working on solving it's out problems. Libya was a start, Conga... you paying attention?
It's one thing to buy the console without knowing, but man, I just can't buy it now that I DO know. I have a conscious, and wasn't that excited for it anyways. At least consider it. :(
Even if this is true, what good will come out of Nintendo purchasing it's raw materials elsewhere? I mean, yes, the conditions that the workers are under are terrible from a humanitarian standpoint... but will taking away the reason for working really correct the conditions?
Think about it logically; they'll either sell the product to someone else, or the rebelling groups in the Congo won't really have a use for their oppressed workers, and who knows what happens then. Unless there's some sort of special trick that goes along with this, I can't see how not buying a 3DS will discourage rebels in the Congo from oppressing anyone.
Think about it logically; they'll either sell the product to someone else, or the rebelling groups in the Congo won't really have a use for their oppressed workers, and who knows what happens then. Unless there's some sort of special trick that goes along with this, I can't see how not buying a 3DS will discourage rebels in the Congo from oppressing anyone.
@spineofsnow
You're on a gaming website not the Newsnight forums, lighten up.
"We have to go in and get the minerals..."
THIS SUMMER
GET READY FOR THE Wi...REVOLUTION
NINTENDO: THE MOVIE
You're on a gaming website not the Newsnight forums, lighten up.
"We have to go in and get the minerals..."
THIS SUMMER
GET READY FOR THE Wi...REVOLUTION
NINTENDO: THE MOVIE
I remember hearing some speech or something about how many electronics use materials from these areas of Africa. I think it's probably a bit naive to pick on Nintendo specifically for this. The speaker went on about how they personally had decided not to abstain entirely because of the difficulty and wide berth of products using these materials, but to try to trim things that were unnecessary. That and it's something like 2-3 times removed from the company if not more.
Still buying a 3DS; I don't think realistically my social responsibility should extend to what seven guys down the line before me did.
Still buying a 3DS; I don't think realistically my social responsibility should extend to what seven guys down the line before me did.
This just makes me want to buy it more -- not because it might contribute to human rights issues, but rather out of spite of these self-marketing do-gooders.
That'd be cool if an underground mine of monkeys were crafting each 3DS by hand one by one. Oh, but it would also be horrid.
It's a bid to use a very popular retail release to gain attention for their cause... and were they not able to name the specific "conflict material" that was used? They seem to be pretty vague about the whole issue... including Nintendo's name on some list that again never refers to specifics.
I'm glad groups like this do put pressure on companies to know where there products are coming from and that there is ethical treatment for the people involved, but this really isn't the way to go about it.
I'm glad groups like this do put pressure on companies to know where there products are coming from and that there is ethical treatment for the people involved, but this really isn't the way to go about it.
"Seems weird to me that the 3DS is being picked on when there are likely thousands of things that could be accused"
1. The 3DS is going to sell craploads. Makes perfect sense for your cause to focus on an item that is going to be a top.
2. Just because there are "thousands" of other items, they shouldn't protest the 3DS? It's one of the thousands, so protesting it does the same amount of good it would to protest any other singular product.
1. The 3DS is going to sell craploads. Makes perfect sense for your cause to focus on an item that is going to be a top.
2. Just because there are "thousands" of other items, they shouldn't protest the 3DS? It's one of the thousands, so protesting it does the same amount of good it would to protest any other singular product.
@davydock You are on a gaming website reading a story about where the gaming industry meets the real world. Don't get your sensibilities in a knot if someone asks you to think about the latter part of that balance for half-a-second. The real-world issues aren't "light" so why should we be light about the issues?
I thought Nintendo's Nintendium supplies were running low when the hinge broke on my DS.
Apparently my suspicions were correct.
Apparently my suspicions were correct.
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