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Microsoft demagogue Aaron Greenberg has responded to this week's official unveiling of the PlayStation Move ... by talking about how great Project Natal is. When asked about Sony's Wiimote, the Hype Meister simply explained how Natal, with its lack of physical controller, was the future.

"Xbox 360 has a strong history of innovation," he coos. "Halo, Xbox Live and instant-on 1080p HD. With each of these, we had our sights set on the future -- and it paid off for us, the industry and Xbox 360 owners. We are doing it again with Project Natal on Xbox 360. We believe controller-free experiences are the future of gaming and entertainment.

"Only Project Natal makes YOU the controller, putting you in the middle of the action and in complete control. Jump and your Avatar jumps. Speak and characters respond. Combined with Xbox Live, Project Natal will transform how you connect with your friends, family and entertainment - as only Xbox 360 can do."

No offense Aaron, but I hope to frigging God that Project Natal isn't the future. I can accept it being part of the future, but if Microsoft's plan is to turn us all into flailing, idiotic gimps, then you can count me out. 

Aaron Greenberg comments on Natal versus Move [TheBitBag via CVG]








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EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 15:47
EternalDeathSlayer
What's a shame is that I know teenagers who agree with this guy and his PR bullshit. I try to tell my cousin about the Playstation Move, just in case he's be interested, and he says "Unless it's Project Natal I don't care. PS3 is fucking lame."

Kids these days. And he owns a PS3.
KalosBlue's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 15:47
KalosBlue
If I was Nintendo and I knew I'd have this type of impact on gaming this gen I would have come up with something crazier.
Klarden's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 15:48
Klarden
his points of "history of innovation" are... well, funny
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 15:48
-PL-
Halo was innovative? Right. That game didn't do anything I wasn't already doing for years on PC. And I guess Xbox Live was pretty innovative in that they started charging money for something that had always been free on PC. Basically what I'm trying to say is that this guy is full of shit. But what game executive isn't nowadays?
SpidaMahn's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 15:49
SpidaMahn
Uh, we don't need another LAME gimmicky console.
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 15:50
HEL105
I agree. I don't ever want games to completely abandon traditional, non-motion based controls. That will be the day that I stop playing any new games, and spend my time replaying the older generations of systems.
Drakengard's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 15:54
Drakengard
If NATAL or Move are the future... Well, Indie gaming will be getting a lot of new fans because I can't see most people going for motion controls for the majority, let alone the entirety, of their gaming experience.
father33's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 15:55
father33
Awesome. My downstairs neighbors, wife, and sleeping kid are going to so glad.
Stephen Beirne's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 15:56
Stephen Beirne
Which is it? Controller-free or controller-you?

I'm happy with controller-controller, Mr. Greenbean.
Little Mac's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 15:59
Little Mac
@-PL-

If you are unable to recognize how regenerative health and the gun/grenade/melee trifecta were made FPS staples by Halo, I feel sorry for you.

Yes, they both existed before in some form in other games, but Halo was the first time they were really polished and made popular.
PhazonYoshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:01
PhazonYoshi
@Little Mac; That's not what innovation is. Halo did them well, but it was still taking ideas from other games and not changing them at all.
KwikPwn's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:01
KwikPwn
If natal sucks I just won't get it, if nothing else at least there's a chance it could bring something new to the table. Could be good, could be shit, but I'm going to take a wait and see approoach.

With Move, I'm pretty sure I know what to expect, just doesn't interest me.
arbsnotdead's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:02
arbsnotdead
nintendo is laughing their asses off right now
rsquad's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:09
rsquad
From Twitter:

Jim Sterling: "People overestimate the PS3. It's a great system, but it is not this "100 times better than anything else" console people think it is."
5 hours ago reply

console bias revealed!
RichardBlaine's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:11
RichardBlaine
Shocking.
Jarmel's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:11
Jarmel
The best way to implement Natal is really very basic and simple to the point I'm surprised Microsoft isn't hyping it up more. Have Natal recognize the 360 controller for what is so you can use the 360 controller and Natal together. Play a RPG with a controller and when you want to slap someone, make a motion with your hand. That's it, simple gestures with regular controller support. You could do something with controller support and body positions such as standing up allows you to teabag someone.
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:12
-PL-
If Nintendo's laughing about this, they're dumb. I mean, the motion control is all they have, and when that novelty is gone, they're going to have to rely on their massive library of amazing games to carry them. lol.
DeusPayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:12
DeusPayne
As I've always said: Gamers are lazy. Which is why matrix like plugging in is the future of sedentary lifestyles, not crazy arm flailing or virtual reality. If you have the ability to physically do the activity, why not actually do it? I for one welcome a future of mind manipulation without any physical input.
accidentprone88's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:13
accidentprone88
Uh...yeah, what Jim said.

If "the Future™" is a no-controller-all-arm-flailing mess, then I'm done with games.

But then again, I'm a largely single-player only gamer too, so maybe I'm a dying breed anyway.
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:13
Electrium
@ EternalDeathSlayer - I think it's just him. I was playing Darksiders in my dorm the other day and my room mate's friend came in, all like "OMG is that God of War 3?! How'd you get it already??" So naturally, I was like "uhh, no, this is Darksiders. It's like Zelda plus God of War, sort of. I don't have a PS3." Asshole responds with "Well, I don't either...but if I was a gaming nerd, I would take a PS3 over a 360 any day." The ratio of 360s to PS3s on my floor is probably 4:3. Pretty even split.


Once again Greenberg giving himself a vocal handjob. He didn't even acknowledge the existence of Move.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:16
Black Nexus
I could crack about 81 jokes here but I think I'll just sum it up with the following

bullshit greenberg, bullshit.
AlexBebop's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:20
AlexBebop
What is instant-on 1080p HD? I have an idea, but it doesn't sound that innovative. At least not enough for someone to be touting about it in their "strong history of innovation."
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:21
Mr Andy Dixon
I can't wait to see what the next gen's fad will be.
hash01's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:21
hash01
Natal is just a souless eyetoy clone, instead give me a xbox360 that does not break down with RROD every year! (jeez is that too much to ask?)
TheDirtyHobo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:28
TheDirtyHobo
@accedentprone88

Count me in on that boat. On the bright side, if it does come true, I've got roughly 600 jrpg's that I've missed out to keep me busy for the next 10 years.

I may hop on the controller-less video gaming train once they find a way to incorporate force feedback of some sort. Then maybe Wii Sports fencing might actually be fun.
TheOldHouse's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:31
TheOldHouse
My Xbox just RROD again.

Go shove your piece of shit hardware where the sun don't shine. I will not be paying to replace it this time.

On a different note, both of these motion things looks stupid.
Hiltz's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:31
Hiltz
Nintendo expected this.


If anyone remembers, Nintendo's Iwata once said "There is no doubt that our blue ocean will turn red."

It's one thing for Nintendo to have expected this to happen by understanding the cause and effect of disrupting the market.The question now is whether or not Nintendo has prepared itself for the impact created by its competitors.
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:35
-PL-
Jasper 360's have been around a little while now. Mine hasn't RROD'd on me yet (knock on wood... oh god I can't find any wood anywhere HANG ON 360 IM COMING TO SAVE YOU!)
Pencoin's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:35
Pencoin
Lets saying I'm playing a game where the main character is a Knight and he has a sword. Whats better? Flaining my arms or actually holding an object which I can use to judge my movements in game?
Eyetoy style has it uses (Every Seen Eyetoy Groove? Brilliant!) but there is a much bigger place for Movemotes.
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:38
RenegadePanda
Lack of physical controller?

Why is everyone writing off the fact that Natal works alongside a standard 360 controller? I'd expect at least MS to know what the hell they are talking about. Lack of controller is only one option, the other can integrate a controller, or Natal, depending on how you look at it.
CrimsonDusk's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:40
CrimsonDusk
My 2 cents into discussion is what Jim says here "but if Microsoft's plan is to turn us all into flailing, idiotic gimps, then you can count me out." exactly and I remember that crap commercial with the family they put for Natal were one of the kid acts like kicking a ball and I imagine as she breaks something in the house if she keeps moving like that.

Oh and people would reply to me get some exercise you fat gamer. I would reply I daily walk at least an hour a day and Sundays 3 hours constantly. So when I game I game, when I want physical exercise I lift my weights and do push ups. I don't want to start ruining my house because I'm playing a game or to move my tables so I can waggle. Pass on the motion controls, any of them.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:45
Monodi
Let the best sensors win.
kylamity's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:45
kylamity
There's no way I'd ever get Project Natal; but, it is the future of motion input.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:52
Qraze
his innovations list is pretty phunny. halo was an innovator (but doom, wolfenstein, counterstrike were'nt the true innovators?), full on 1080 (except those launch consoles that lacked an hdmi for full on 1080 support until the ps3 came out,720 only with a vga cable). trully innovative those things.

xbox live was not innovative but revolutionary, but so was HBO yet you didn't get bombarded with adds because you paid for that service.

natal may be innovative when it comes out. it may be, but player error and poor lighting in the room at night will doom it.

i am a ps3 fanboy, until i get a wii and/or 360.
SpidaMahn's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:53
SpidaMahn
I know this is completely unrelated to this article, but MY 360 GOT ROD AGAIN. Am I cool yet?
Jarmel's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:54
Jarmel
Thank you Renegade Panda. Everyone is only looking at option 1.

1.No controllers only Natal
2.Only controllers no Natal
3.Both controllers and Natal
aaronf's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:56
aaronf
Whenever any M$ exec utters the word "innovate", you can be sure that what they are saying is complete BS.
jjacinto23's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:59
jjacinto23
did he answer the question? it is like What is your name then he answered i'm 14 yo............... dodging the bullet?
Klarden's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 17:00
Klarden
@ Qraze
"halo was an innovator (but doom, wolfenstein, counterstrike were'nt the true innovators?)"
the fun thing even is not in the fact is halo innovative or not. it's in the fact, that it was made by Bungie. with most "innovative" things most likely designed before they even decided to work with MS.
Pissed Off Accountant's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 17:00
Pissed Off Accountant
I don't own a PS3, but I do own a Xbox 360. I would consider picking up a PS3 if some great FPS IPs use Move. I'm specifically interested to see how this will compare to a mouse and keyboard setup. That's my main beef with console FPS scene.

If, say, the next Borderlans used Move, I think it would be an even more interesting game. Microsoft has an abitious project and there is a lot of doubters out there. I've seen footage of people playing it, and it does look remarkable thus far.

However, just the meer sense of it being THEE Future is ludacris. If it replaces the controller, or any type of a controller for that matter, it would be far more awkward navigating menus, imo. Likewise, I don't really know how the action type games Microsoft banks on are going to hold up on this technology.

But they are likely targetting the Wii fan base with this product and the 360 avatars... E3 is too far away.
Rekai's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 17:13
Rekai
The day Wii, Natal, and Move kill traditional controllers is the day I pick up a new hobby. Fuck Nintendo for starting this. Fuck them so hard.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 17:18
pedrovay2003
Yes, the clone of the magnificent EyeToy is the future.
EnigmaticHarle's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 17:21
EnigmaticHarle
"Xbox 360 has a strong history of innovation, Halo, Xbox Live and instant-on 1080p HD."

First off MicroGreenBoy, Halo was on XBOX. Second, Xbox Live may be a great service, but paying to use Facebook/Twitter/whatever-else-is-free is not. Thirdly, and most saddening of all, is that all Xbox 360 games are NOT in 1080p. They are merely upconverted to 1080p. So if anyone has a game that says 1080p on the back, now's a good time for a lawsuit. Also, I'm thinking that "instant-on" could be his fancypants way of saying "upconverted-to".

I don't mind some friendly competition between rival companies but come on. He obviously has no respect for the competition. There is nothing in his incoherent rambling that has anything to do with Move. All he did was just spew out some automated PR bullsh*t which makes me respect him even less than I already do.
dip's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 17:33
dip
"Everyone who thinks the future of gaming is this crap can go die in a fire and burn in hell."

You make a very mature and compelling argument, sir.
rockstarnati's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 17:36
rockstarnati
This guy is full of shit. Innovation my ass.
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 17:38
RenegadePanda
@EnigmaticHarle

And PS3 games are in 1080p? Most of them, aside from a few early launch titles that actually supported native 1080p, now upscale, same as the 360. FFXIII doesn't even run native 1080p on PS3, nor do any of the games in my collection aside from MGS4 and KZ2, which I do believe run full P (correct me if I'm wrong). So it's exactly the same, despite what the box says. The 1080p streaming video on 360 does technically run at 1080P, but the 360 itself doesn't natively support it, so what you get is essentially an upscaled downscale, which is fairly close to the real deal.

So Sony does the same thing, and if Nintendo had a console that was HD-capable, it'd be exactly the same. Upscaling is a marketing device more than anything. You can't technically say that 360 games don't run 1080P, because the system automatically upscales them (on either HD platform) so you have no basis to sue, or even complain.
lewness's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 18:15
lewness
It's like there's a fucking PR speech behind his eyelids so he can read them everytime he blinks. Jump and your avatar jumps? What if I fucking want to f+2, u/f+3, 1+4, 2~1~1+2(b!), dash, WS+1~4 with Asuka on Tekken? Right, I'd have hit my TV on the second hit.
Hriki's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 18:24
Hriki
Wait this has "as only Xbox 360 can do" in his PR spin, but the title isnt "ZOMG 360 EXEC SAYS SOMETHING CAN ONLY BE DONE ON 360!!! LOLOL THIS IS CLEAR BIAS AS WE ALL KNOW EVERYTHING CAN DO THE SAME THING AS EVERYTHING ELSE!!" Seriously though?? If an exec of a game production company for PS3 makes a similar statement, it is the entire article and title. But this? Nah, not even a mention. WTF? I dont usually care for all this console war shit, but that in your journalism is a bit odd. But, to not even out him on it?
garethxxgod's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 18:45
garethxxgod
I've played a few fighting games that involved nothing but movement from the player and they were extremely slow or at worst non-responsive to my movements. I sure hope Natal is like 1000 times better or else I'm not going to see the point.

So far the whole
Motion control thing is pretty meh for me personally. I'm not seeing how the motion control market will affect me when I mostly play mature games.
f ck    g d's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 19:04
f ck g d
Xbox has a strong history of innovation?
How did you not laugh when he said that?
Know what Xbox has a strong history of? Not working correctly. Oh, and the proud award of having the most consoles to ever break.
Only real innovation that comes to mind is their constantly finding new and creative ways to brick a system.
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