Goichi Suda, the game developer behind GameCube indie offering Killer 7 and the upcoming Wii title No More Heroes, recently commented on the state of the Wii and the games coming out for it, saying that third-party games weren't doing well. Suda was quoted as saying:
“I am very surprised about the reality about Wii, because before I was making this game, I wasn't expecting that Wii would be a console targeted only for non-gamers. I expected more games for hardcore gamers. The reality is different to what I expected."
Suda is not the only major developer to voice such an opinion. It is commonly believed by many people that the biggest benefits of the Wii all go directly to Nintendo. As Nintendo do make good games, some people may not be phased by this, but for gamers who look forward to the offerings of third party publishers, it sounds a death knell for the future of third party contribution.
I don't know about how you all feel, but some days I find it harder and harder to like the new "non-gamer focused" Nintendo.
[Via MCV -- Thanks, Jonathan]
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1:42 PM on 01.16.2008
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Anyway, I hope Nintendo eventually snaps out of it and the Wii receives more games suited to the hardcore gamer rather than the causal one.
Crusin'
3rd party games are all PARTY games that are tedious and boring. I show my Wii no love, I play GameCube games on it more than anything.
I think third party sales would be better if third party developers were putting more effort into their games. For every Dewy's Adventure, which is an incredibly good game, we get 4 lame party games and a quick cash-in like Cruisin'. I own quite a few great third party games for Wii and am looking forward to quite a few more. I like the Wii; I think it offers more versatility than the other systems and most of the games I'm really excited for are being released on it. It's the only way to play Shikigami no Shiro III, Blast Works, No More Heroes, Smash Bros., Endless Ocean, Dragon Quest Swords and others that I cannot think of right now. I look at the 360 and PS3 and don't see anything that really interests me since I hate FPS games and realistic sports titles.
I think the real tragedy here is that Suda51's games don't do that well. Of all of the big name designers, he's the one who challenges the industry the most. The fact that gamers generally ignore his work is a sad fact.
What I see Suda saying is "Why the hell didn't my game sell better?" And it probably will sell better in the US than Japan. What are his other options for selling bucketloads of copies to "core gamers" right now in Japan? PS3? 360??? Not really. Maybe PSP or PS2.
That said, I'm not finding a great deal of reasons to turn on the Wii these days.
I agree completely Colette
I loved Mass Effect at first, but after stupid planet dune buggy mission after stupid planet dune buggy mission I got bored and moved on. I've been trying to work myself up to play it again before I trade it but it feels like a second job. Same thing with Assassin's Creed. It was awesome at first and then just became repetitive and tedious but I feel like I have to finish it because I hear the storyline is good and I'm hoping the next one will be better and want to be current with the story. I want the Drake game but it seems to short for $60 and I was psyched for Heavenly sword but everyone says it bites hard and quick. COD4 I know is good and I might try it and Unreal Tournament seems interesting but to me probably won't top TF2.
In all it just seems that the problem is universal. With Nintendo the games are just especially shitty and there is more contrast because Nintendo is such a good game developer Even if they do recycle the same stuff over and over again at least they know how to continue to make it fun.
The only truly awesome game experiences I've gotten lately on any console is Bioshock because of the story, and Rock Band because it's awesome (and now I want to be a drummer). It's harder to be as committed of a gamer as I was in High School when we would have LAN parties and my friend was making invisible quake skins to piss us off and we were playing GTA2 and all rushing for the tank. Now I'm just losing interest and TF2, Rock Band and the promise of Smash is all I'm hanging on to as a gamer.
But then again that could go back to your point that the majority of the Wii Owners could care less about unique games..they just want the latest Carnival Game.
They've been teasing us with pics of the game before the system was released, and it's pretty much the only reason gamers are buying the wii.
1 year after Smash bros. is released the wii will have lackluster game sales.
The Wii would be nothing without Smash Bros.
The fact that Nintendo is largely ignoring hardcore gamers should in theory benefit third parties, as it gives them a niche to fill, but instead they are just trying to appeal to casual gamers also.
As it stands now the only Wii games I'm going to play in the next 6 months are No More Heroes and Endless Ocean. Nintendo needs more original and less rehash in their lineup. Every Nintendo system comes down to "When is Smash Bros. gonna appear? When is Mario Kart going to appear? Metroid, Zelda, etc. Then we go into when is the 2nd Zelda going to come out, when is the 2nd Metroid going to come out. Rinse and repeat. That's all anyone expects out of Nintendo, and they're all too happy to oblige.
We're currently in the "When is Animal Crossing gonna appear?" phase.
It's not that there aren't any hardcore gamers with Wiis, it's just that most of them just bought a Wii for the things I just mentioned above. Then there are the casual gamers who may be more likely to try something new, but No More Heroes isn't the type of game directed at them.
It has nothing to do with games being 3rd party or not. It just has to be something people are familiar with. That's why Soul Calibur 2 did better on Gamecube then on PS2 or Xbox. That was a 3rd party game and it did the best on the Nintendo console. That's because it had Link in it. Nintendo fans are familiar with Link, so they bought the game. That's how it works. It's very hard for a game to succeed on a Nintendo console if people aren't already familiar with it.
Not that it's peoples fault for not wanting new games. People have the right to buy anything that they want. It's more the developer's fault for releasing their product in the wrong market. If you want to release a new original game, put it on PS3 or 360. If you want to buy new original games, buy a PS3 or 360.
I don't know why everybody gets mad at Wii owners for not buying games like No More Heroes. It's like me making Encyclopedias and trying to sell them to blind people. They may be the best Encyclopedias in the world, but blind people probably aren't going to want them. So that would make me the idiot for trying to sell them to blind people.
Until people grow bored of it however, people like Suda are going to continue to be jaded unless they develop for more dedicated hardware like the 360 and PS3.
Please bring your awesome skills to 360. We'll appreciate you more.
I'm going to buy NMH the day it comes out here. "Hardcore gamers" complaining about lack of Wii sales need to chip in and help the cause, because if you just sit at your computers and crying about having your cake and eating it you're not going to have any third party games at all.
"The onus is on the third-party developers to quit bitching and actually make some hardcore games."
Actually I have plenty of third party games to enjoy happily.
Just not on the Wii.
It may turn off casual gamers and hardcore gamers alike, when companies pump out bad games and they don't know what to buy, but that's not really a whole lot different from other systems. This just means you should read more reviews and ask around for what's good OR use your own god-damned judgment and Blockbuster membership.
I'm really pissed that Nintendo has completely forgotten about the hardcore gamers this generation. I only play like 3 games on the Wii regularly... It's too bad, really. It had/has so much potential, but I don't see Nintendo realizing this.
lol nice Commando quote.
Also, the theory of "How will we know if a game is good if there aren't bad ones to go along with them" can kiss my ass.
Oh, and by the way killer 7 was sheeeit.
Ever since Nintendo started saying "Casual gamer" i stopped listening to everything that came out of the meat mans mouth
For starters, will Ubisoft even attempt to promote the game for its release in North America? Also, Grasshopper Manufacture's original games are not aimed for the mainstream audience. In No More Heroes case, it's a violent and bizarre, niche action title for the hardcore gamer.
The Wii's install base is a mix of hardcore, casual and non-gamers. You can't really count on the non-gamers to purchase games like No More Heroes. Naturally, most of the hardcore gamers on the Wii have bought one mainly for first-party titles. It's obvious that few third-party titles on a Nintendo platforms can rival the quality and entertainment of first-party games.
Nintendo's casual gaming approach with the Wii's marketing campaign is helping to harm the Wii's reputation as a platform for hardcore games despite Nintendo calling the Wii a platform designed for everyone. Of course, most third-party companies have themselves to blame for releasing low quality and uninspriring titles that make poor use of the Wii controls. Is it really surprising that the Wii still has no big third-party AAA titles announced for it ?
Publishers need to give their Wii projects slightly bigger budgets and more time for polish. Developers need to think of interesting game concepts and put their best dev teams to make the games and increase the level of quality. It's unfortunate that that what has happend is the complete opposite. It's no wonder most Wii gamers don't buy the shovelware.
Publishers are being too cheap and developers too lazy.
If No More Heroes fails to sell well, then it will only help improve the chance of game companies releasing the kind of games that we do not want to play. First-party titles are great but they are few and far between. Wii needs to improve the quality of its third-party games. If it does sell well and Suda 51 can get a sequel made for NMH, then perhaps we can expect it to be of better quality and do more interestig things with the Wii controls and the rest of the Wii's features like WiiConnect24.
Don't let NMH become the Zack & Wiki of 2008.
How about the game developers take responsibility for their own bad choices and start making actual 3rd party games that their company can get behind?
Zak and Wiki is a GREAT game from a major company. These companies need to grow some balls and stop being such pussies.
You remember the Official Nintendo Seal of Quality? That little golden sticker that went on the good games? Now it's just the "Official Nintendo Seal" which only means that the games is able to run with any game-crashing bugs or glitches on a Nintendo console. That's it. Shovel-ware is found on any console, but it's especially worse on the Wii because Nintendo will just approve any game that is completed and is compatible with the hardware.