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This. It seems like it would just be a matter of decency, but I hadn't even thought of the future impact that having inaccurate/incomplete credits in today's games.
It really is things like this that are so much more important than how logical the ending of Mass Effect 3 was. When you do bring stuff like this up in a discussion of anything gaming related, people call you an asshole because those people never heard of such a thing. It's like the gaming world ends at Gamespot or IGN, and anything else off in the void may as well not exist at all.
Anyway, credit the people who deserve credit. I can't think of a reason why it shouldn't be policy.
It really is things like this that are so much more important than how logical the ending of Mass Effect 3 was. When you do bring stuff like this up in a discussion of anything gaming related, people call you an asshole because those people never heard of such a thing. It's like the gaming world ends at Gamespot or IGN, and anything else off in the void may as well not exist at all.
Anyway, credit the people who deserve credit. I can't think of a reason why it shouldn't be policy.
Excellent article on what is really an important issue that people tend to not notice or over look. I couldn't agree more!
*...but I hadn't even thought of the future impact that having inaccurate/incomplete credits in today's games may have.
I'll learn to proofread one day. After I learn to read, that is. Once I get those bionic eyes everyone's talking about.
I'll learn to proofread one day. After I learn to read, that is. Once I get those bionic eyes everyone's talking about.
Indeed a great article, and I absolutely agree. It doesn't mater what kind of employee you are, if you made a contribution, you deserve mention.
It's just right.
It's just right.
You developers need all the credit you guys deserve. I am not cool on publishers to use strong arm tactics on their own employees. Same thing happens at Namco Bandai and the way rushed the Soul Calibur team while forcing them to DLC bomb the newest Soul game to how Megaman Legends 3 had enthusiastic dev support, but utter contempt by its own publishers.
I absolutely agree that any dev who worked on the game deserves credit. Beyond humanistic obviouness of doing so, as long as a developer did bot commit some kind of felony, professional respect needs to be there. Game publishers running roughshod over its workers shows that they are the same kind of powermongers we see in many corporate businesses out there. A sensible, representative unionization should not be demonized before it has a chance to prove itself.
I absolutely agree that any dev who worked on the game deserves credit. Beyond humanistic obviouness of doing so, as long as a developer did bot commit some kind of felony, professional respect needs to be there. Game publishers running roughshod over its workers shows that they are the same kind of powermongers we see in many corporate businesses out there. A sensible, representative unionization should not be demonized before it has a chance to prove itself.
That Xander guy still came off as a douche who got fired, but this article is great at showing the whole situation from a much more professional viewpoint.
awesome article :D
one of the reasons why i love credits is to get to know the people who work on,
people who did the map design(would love to meet the people who did Castlevania Symphony of the Night)
especially VA's always like those who voiced my favorite characters :)
shame some people don't see the importanct of credits, reminds me Okami and how Hideki Kamiya was sad that the credits were remove in the wii version(you could also see how the credits were made in heart and everything)
one of the reasons why i love credits is to get to know the people who work on,
people who did the map design(would love to meet the people who did Castlevania Symphony of the Night)
especially VA's always like those who voiced my favorite characters :)
shame some people don't see the importanct of credits, reminds me Okami and how Hideki Kamiya was sad that the credits were remove in the wii version(you could also see how the credits were made in heart and everything)
i will be honest here. in dont take much time on reading all the credits of a game, ofcourse this dont mean that im not thankfull of all the people making them, since well they are all part of my life. as a programmer i understand the felling of not being credit for your work and it sucks it does really bad, but we need to move on. im mean, you know that thanks to you that game its what it is, and at some point you let your mark your way of work on that game, thats the best credit. this dont only happen on the videogame industy but in almost every job. in my point of view this sucks really bad but we cant do much about it. let it go, feel proud to be part of it and make some more awesome games. leave your stamp more visible for people so they can say "that's.... [insert name here] work"
Thanks for sharing! As someone who always sits through a videogame's credits (ditto for movies), I appreciate what you all day. Hope this discussion continues for as long as this is a problem!
This kind of stuff is really starting to make me hate this industry. If this is the kind of crap that goes on at a studio that makes great games that's owned by a relatively well-intentioned publisher, then what the hell is wrong with this business?
That was an awesome feature!
Makes you wonder how many other wrongs in the industry are just accepted as the way things are...
Makes you wonder how many other wrongs in the industry are just accepted as the way things are...
Very nice read and it is sad to know its pretty common. I gotta say tho this really only matters to the people involved. Unless you have a friend that worked on one of these projects and youre specifically looking for their name i believe most players just do not care about the credits. =p
The article is good, on a certain level. People should be credited for their work on a game.
But let me be the devil's advocate here, we need to draw a line somewhere. Take myself for example, I’ve worked with many studios as outsourcing manager, surprisingly amount studio using contractors and art production companies for their concept and in-game art assets. In most cases, none of our artists are credited in the credit, not even mention project support people like myself. The best case scenario is to have our company listed.
What about facebook games, mobile games, MMOs, games that never have credit rolling screen?
Credit is nice to have, and in the perfect world, we all should be credited, and credit screen would roll for 12 hours long, facebook games and mobile games should have a “credit page” which no one (except recruiters and background check people) would ever click.
But at the end of the day, it’s not what you got credited for, it is what you have done, what you have learnt. And of course, the company paid your salary for your work, that also count.
But let me be the devil's advocate here, we need to draw a line somewhere. Take myself for example, I’ve worked with many studios as outsourcing manager, surprisingly amount studio using contractors and art production companies for their concept and in-game art assets. In most cases, none of our artists are credited in the credit, not even mention project support people like myself. The best case scenario is to have our company listed.
What about facebook games, mobile games, MMOs, games that never have credit rolling screen?
Credit is nice to have, and in the perfect world, we all should be credited, and credit screen would roll for 12 hours long, facebook games and mobile games should have a “credit page” which no one (except recruiters and background check people) would ever click.
But at the end of the day, it’s not what you got credited for, it is what you have done, what you have learnt. And of course, the company paid your salary for your work, that also count.
While finishing up a somewhat recently released AAA title they distributed the credits list to our department to make spelling changes. I noticed a friend of mine's who had left during production, but had contributed considerably to the project, name was not on the list. I brought this up and it was corrected. Here is my best guess is to how credits lists are compiled. Some producer or HR rep compiles a list based on who is in the department at the time of the list's composition. I really really think its laziness, and that a person who just doesn't really care about the great scope of this is compiling lists. Sure they could do the research and see who left and consider their addition, but they don't cause they have 100 other things to do. The best thing that can be done is for game developers themselves to cover each other and stop just being complacent in fear of making a politically damaging move. (but game industry politics is whole other topic).
Great article, man. It definitely helped me understand the situation more. I think it's horrible that game don't have a union. And I agree that anyone who works on a project, be it film, game or book should get credit for it.
Unionizing is the only answer. Until devs receive the same protection afforded to almost every other industry out there, stories like this will always be a norm.
Excellent article.
I'm fascinated by what happens over the course of a game's development. The EA spouse letter was so frustrating to read because of the way you guys are generally treated.
I have nothing but love and respect for what you guys do and you should be credited properly.
I'm fascinated by what happens over the course of a game's development. The EA spouse letter was so frustrating to read because of the way you guys are generally treated.
I have nothing but love and respect for what you guys do and you should be credited properly.
@flourine3:
I don't work in the industry, so I can't speak to all of the issues you raise. I can tell you, however, that you're devaluing your contribution to that industry. The "perfect world" you describe could exist tomorrow, because if you can make a convincing model of a tree, you can for damn sure compile a complete list of credits. It takes minimal effort compared to all of the other stuff a developer does, and it's the right thing for your employer to do.
Sure, most people don't read them. So? That's irrelevant; the people who are in the credits and their friends care if they're in the credits. If the user experience takes precedence, make the credits skippable, or put them on one of those credits pages you mentioned. A lot of people walk out of movie theaters before the credits are over, but they'd never say Joe Blow the key grip didn't deserve to be on the list of key grips, because Joe Blow did whatever the hell it is a key grip does, and he should get credit for it.
Don't accept less than you deserve because it's easier than making waves. The industry is only this way because the people who work in it have bought into this bogus idea that it's a privilege just to work on a game, never mind being credited or getting paid a living wage or not being forced to work overtime for no extra money. No, all the shit you have to put up with is Just Fine, because you're Living The Dream, right?
I say that's bullshit. You have a right to be treated like a human being in a Real Actual Job, because you have a Real Actual Job. You have dignity. Don't forfeit it.
I don't work in the industry, so I can't speak to all of the issues you raise. I can tell you, however, that you're devaluing your contribution to that industry. The "perfect world" you describe could exist tomorrow, because if you can make a convincing model of a tree, you can for damn sure compile a complete list of credits. It takes minimal effort compared to all of the other stuff a developer does, and it's the right thing for your employer to do.
Sure, most people don't read them. So? That's irrelevant; the people who are in the credits and their friends care if they're in the credits. If the user experience takes precedence, make the credits skippable, or put them on one of those credits pages you mentioned. A lot of people walk out of movie theaters before the credits are over, but they'd never say Joe Blow the key grip didn't deserve to be on the list of key grips, because Joe Blow did whatever the hell it is a key grip does, and he should get credit for it.
Don't accept less than you deserve because it's easier than making waves. The industry is only this way because the people who work in it have bought into this bogus idea that it's a privilege just to work on a game, never mind being credited or getting paid a living wage or not being forced to work overtime for no extra money. No, all the shit you have to put up with is Just Fine, because you're Living The Dream, right?
I say that's bullshit. You have a right to be treated like a human being in a Real Actual Job, because you have a Real Actual Job. You have dignity. Don't forfeit it.
Fascinating article - Destructoid is the first I've seen to cover anything like this. Glad I check in here so regularly!
"The only thing that will fix the crediting issue once and for all is unionization, but for reasons I don't fully understand a lot of folks in the game industry are hostile to the idea."
They've been brainwashed by right wing propaganda into thinking Unions are somehow a bad thing. Corporations have been on a smear campaign against unions for a very, very long time. Behind the scenes they pass along untrue stories, accusations, and the works. Heck, Coco Cola hates Unions so much that, in many unionized countries that lack proper authorities, they have been hiring hitmen to kill union leaders in a desperate attempt to block unions from happening.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory, I know, but it is actually true. All the proof is there, as well as a critically acclaimed documentary you can watch on Netflix about it. Problem is, since it isn't happening in America nothing can be done about it and Coca Cola doesn't have to take responsibility for murdering union organizers and leaders in developing countries.
Unions are a great thing for Americans. They guarantee you will be treated like a human being at the work place, and guarantee you won't be taken advantage of. Now, of course their are some bad apples in the system, and many have bee kicked out, but the smear campaign against unions by right wing extremist politicians has been having the desired effect.
Right wing politicians hate unions with a passion since unions typically support Democrats. Hence why Republican controlled states around the country have been desperately trying to squash unions, just like in Wisconsin. They are trying to turn the American people against one of the greatest RIGHTS American citizens have, which is the right to unionize. And since they have been on this smear campaign for so long, people are actually starting to believe it.
It's like how a Republican will tell you straight faced that Billionaires shouldn't have to pay more taxes. Since Republicans have been hammering home that message for years, their flock starts to believe it. Even though every single last bi-partisan economist in the entire country will tell you that the country can not function, and will never recover, unless millionaires and billionaires pay the same tax rate they were under Clinton.
Under Clinton, the super rich were paying more taxes, and the economy was thriving. When Clinton left office, they were struggling with how to deal with all the surplus money left over. The United States was booming. When Bush came into office, and slashed all those taxes for the already super rich, the economy came crumbling down. The facts are there, it isn't like this happened 30 years ago. Yet, even though these people watched all this happen, and even though every expert that lives today tells you that we can't survive unless the tax cuts for the rich are reversed, Republicans will tell you it simple isn't true.
My point for all this? Smear campaigns work. And if politicians keep hammering away at something, even though it is completely untrue, it eventually becomes fact for some people. This is why Unions suddenly have a bad name, even though they are the only thing protecting a massive amount of jobs for lower and middle class Americans at the moment. This is why half the country believes that the super wealthy shouldn't have to pay more taxes than someone making 30 grand a year.
As long as people continue believing what Fox News tells them, they will never snap out of it. All it takes is an hour of research on your computer. That's it. One hour. As long as what you are reading is from non-partisan people, who have no hidden political agenda, you know you are getting the closest thing to the truth that you can get.
They've been brainwashed by right wing propaganda into thinking Unions are somehow a bad thing. Corporations have been on a smear campaign against unions for a very, very long time. Behind the scenes they pass along untrue stories, accusations, and the works. Heck, Coco Cola hates Unions so much that, in many unionized countries that lack proper authorities, they have been hiring hitmen to kill union leaders in a desperate attempt to block unions from happening.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory, I know, but it is actually true. All the proof is there, as well as a critically acclaimed documentary you can watch on Netflix about it. Problem is, since it isn't happening in America nothing can be done about it and Coca Cola doesn't have to take responsibility for murdering union organizers and leaders in developing countries.
Unions are a great thing for Americans. They guarantee you will be treated like a human being at the work place, and guarantee you won't be taken advantage of. Now, of course their are some bad apples in the system, and many have bee kicked out, but the smear campaign against unions by right wing extremist politicians has been having the desired effect.
Right wing politicians hate unions with a passion since unions typically support Democrats. Hence why Republican controlled states around the country have been desperately trying to squash unions, just like in Wisconsin. They are trying to turn the American people against one of the greatest RIGHTS American citizens have, which is the right to unionize. And since they have been on this smear campaign for so long, people are actually starting to believe it.
It's like how a Republican will tell you straight faced that Billionaires shouldn't have to pay more taxes. Since Republicans have been hammering home that message for years, their flock starts to believe it. Even though every single last bi-partisan economist in the entire country will tell you that the country can not function, and will never recover, unless millionaires and billionaires pay the same tax rate they were under Clinton.
Under Clinton, the super rich were paying more taxes, and the economy was thriving. When Clinton left office, they were struggling with how to deal with all the surplus money left over. The United States was booming. When Bush came into office, and slashed all those taxes for the already super rich, the economy came crumbling down. The facts are there, it isn't like this happened 30 years ago. Yet, even though these people watched all this happen, and even though every expert that lives today tells you that we can't survive unless the tax cuts for the rich are reversed, Republicans will tell you it simple isn't true.
My point for all this? Smear campaigns work. And if politicians keep hammering away at something, even though it is completely untrue, it eventually becomes fact for some people. This is why Unions suddenly have a bad name, even though they are the only thing protecting a massive amount of jobs for lower and middle class Americans at the moment. This is why half the country believes that the super wealthy shouldn't have to pay more taxes than someone making 30 grand a year.
As long as people continue believing what Fox News tells them, they will never snap out of it. All it takes is an hour of research on your computer. That's it. One hour. As long as what you are reading is from non-partisan people, who have no hidden political agenda, you know you are getting the closest thing to the truth that you can get.
I dont think a union is the way to go, but I cant think of a better alternative and a union is still better than what there is(or isnt) now.
Fantastic read, Andy. I'm so sorry about the terrible conditions developers have the wade through. These crediting practices are just plain unfair and there really should be change for the industry.
This is a no-brainer - UNIONISE!
It's incredibly naive to expect those with power to just benevolently treat you with respect. You have to stick up for yourself. Unions are the way to do that in the workplace. Why on earth are gaming devs hostile to this?
It's incredibly naive to expect those with power to just benevolently treat you with respect. You have to stick up for yourself. Unions are the way to do that in the workplace. Why on earth are gaming devs hostile to this?
Like with normal credits, I wasn't aware of this issue. But now that I've read it, I'm glad you shared it. Excellent article. That's some real game journalism right there.
unions are meh, they can help but in this age they simply suck up your pay check and do absolutly no shit for you. unions have become just as bad as their big business counterparts, pushy, grabby, and self centered.
as for the rest of your article, i agree that a change must happen. especially as an aspireing programmer myself.
as for the rest of your article, i agree that a change must happen. especially as an aspireing programmer myself.
I've been hearing about crediting issues for at least a few years now. I recall one article (on Kotaku?) mentioned something like... some people are intentionally left out of the credits as petty revenge. Shows how nice the game development scene is, huh?
I think a lot of it is also because of bad management. Game devs are often crunching and there are a lot of people to keep track of, especially with the high turnover rate of contracted employees and so forth. As long as the production employees get the job done, they're expendable because all that matters is getting the game done on time, and the money involved. Last I heard, production employees are still being paid a pittance compared to the corporate office people who sit on their asses and have absolutely nothing to do with actual development. Looks like that hasn't changed.
I see this happen everywhere - people simply don't care about the individuals who are necessary to make things happen. Behind the scenes people are always neglected. Part of this is because humans are simple and only see the surface. We take a lot of things for granted without realizing it. The fact is, each individual's contribution is important because it makes or breaks the end product.
Really though, all they'd have to do is write down the names of everyone who joins their team and then slap that on the credits, but they're so disorganized and working people into the ground all the time with constant crunch time that something as simple as that is beyond them.
Regarding why people don't speak up about it... I've noticed for a while now that human society frowns upon anyone who complains about anything, even if the complaints are valid, reasonable and mutual. Everyone is quick to dismiss and ridicule people who complain as "whiners".
I think this is because humans prioritize being happy, and they don't mind being ignorant or lying to themselves and others to achieve that. If a person can't change something to make themselves happy, they will change themselves to accept it as it is. Give an average person a choice between feeling happy and secure or feeling unhappy and insecure, and they will always choose the former, even if the have to lie to themselves and othesr to do it - and they don't even know they're doing it. They will also group with others who share their delusion and then gang up against those who disagree with them, even if those others are being factual and reasonable. People don't want to know the truth or facts. We constantly blind ourselves to a number of basic facts of life, on a daily basis. It's sad, but true.
I sometimes wonder if this kind of mentality was intentionally sown into the general populace to reduce the occurrence of dissent. I also suspect that many companies pretend to be ordinary posters and reply to people who complain about their product by ridiculing them as whiners and such. When other people read the posts, they don't know whose word to trust, and in the end they usually trust the company because they want to be happy and secure in believing that companies wouldn't shaft them, and that their money was well-spent. It's a big hassle for a person to admit they got shafted, so they subconsciously allow themselves to accept their predicament, twisting their memories and logic to match. Those companies know how to take advantage of human nature. There are so many ways to manipulate public opinion. I don't do it myself, of course. It's because I don't do it that I can understand and see it happening.
This may all sound like "conspiracy theory" to most people, but I think it's already been proven many times that a lot of manipulative things are going on behind the scenes, and not just in game dev. It's all around us. Don't forget that we're only seeing the end result of everything, just like with games and developer credits.
I think a lot of it is also because of bad management. Game devs are often crunching and there are a lot of people to keep track of, especially with the high turnover rate of contracted employees and so forth. As long as the production employees get the job done, they're expendable because all that matters is getting the game done on time, and the money involved. Last I heard, production employees are still being paid a pittance compared to the corporate office people who sit on their asses and have absolutely nothing to do with actual development. Looks like that hasn't changed.
I see this happen everywhere - people simply don't care about the individuals who are necessary to make things happen. Behind the scenes people are always neglected. Part of this is because humans are simple and only see the surface. We take a lot of things for granted without realizing it. The fact is, each individual's contribution is important because it makes or breaks the end product.
Really though, all they'd have to do is write down the names of everyone who joins their team and then slap that on the credits, but they're so disorganized and working people into the ground all the time with constant crunch time that something as simple as that is beyond them.
Regarding why people don't speak up about it... I've noticed for a while now that human society frowns upon anyone who complains about anything, even if the complaints are valid, reasonable and mutual. Everyone is quick to dismiss and ridicule people who complain as "whiners".
I think this is because humans prioritize being happy, and they don't mind being ignorant or lying to themselves and others to achieve that. If a person can't change something to make themselves happy, they will change themselves to accept it as it is. Give an average person a choice between feeling happy and secure or feeling unhappy and insecure, and they will always choose the former, even if the have to lie to themselves and othesr to do it - and they don't even know they're doing it. They will also group with others who share their delusion and then gang up against those who disagree with them, even if those others are being factual and reasonable. People don't want to know the truth or facts. We constantly blind ourselves to a number of basic facts of life, on a daily basis. It's sad, but true.
I sometimes wonder if this kind of mentality was intentionally sown into the general populace to reduce the occurrence of dissent. I also suspect that many companies pretend to be ordinary posters and reply to people who complain about their product by ridiculing them as whiners and such. When other people read the posts, they don't know whose word to trust, and in the end they usually trust the company because they want to be happy and secure in believing that companies wouldn't shaft them, and that their money was well-spent. It's a big hassle for a person to admit they got shafted, so they subconsciously allow themselves to accept their predicament, twisting their memories and logic to match. Those companies know how to take advantage of human nature. There are so many ways to manipulate public opinion. I don't do it myself, of course. It's because I don't do it that I can understand and see it happening.
This may all sound like "conspiracy theory" to most people, but I think it's already been proven many times that a lot of manipulative things are going on behind the scenes, and not just in game dev. It's all around us. Don't forget that we're only seeing the end result of everything, just like with games and developer credits.
The staunch Republican side of our overseers would disapprove.... Commie bastards! Expecting to be credited for your work is tantamount to destroying jobs... Or something. But, uhhh... Unions are the devil and take money out of the top earners pockets, and they can't make jobs if they are relegated to a single yacht and being forced to charter jets instead of owning their own fleet.... Who could be expected to live under such unreasonable conditions? That you expect to be credited for your work just shows that the commies have already won. Romney 2012!
Fantastic read. Thank you for sharing. Hopefully shedding more light on the subject can be a vehicle for change.
"In what I consider to be the most disturbing part of his public statement, David Adams implies that it's perfectly okay to leave out anyone who left the company for any reason besides a mass layoff"
Well, the guy who wasn't in the credits was fired for being a poor worker. I consider that to be an okay reason to leave someone out. Unless he was promised in some way that by being hired he would have a place in the credits, I see no ethical problems here. The issue is not that the man wasn't paid or anything along the lines of that.
Well, the guy who wasn't in the credits was fired for being a poor worker. I consider that to be an okay reason to leave someone out. Unless he was promised in some way that by being hired he would have a place in the credits, I see no ethical problems here. The issue is not that the man wasn't paid or anything along the lines of that.
This was a great article, and I don't think it is a big deal for any one other than the people not credited. I don't get credited on the back of the Freschetta pizza boxes for helping get it distributed. I get a check, that's my credit. As far as no one knowing you worked on a game that you worked on if the studio closed, Uncle Sam does on your W2, as well as many other places that keep track of your job history. It doesn't bother me that the industry does this, I'm still going to buy games based on if I want to play it, not because the studio credits people that voluntarily quit or got fired. Chinese sweat shops are bullshit, I still buy clothes. I'll catch shit for saying all of this, but 90% of us on this site don't get credited for our jobs on any packaging or anything so really its not a big deal to me. Making a video game is not a job that is more special than mine or any one else that has a different job. It really is a vain thing to be upset about. I have heard so much since this came out about how terrible the game industry is as a whole and this is the small thing is what developers hang their hat on? I would complain about over time, long hours, mistreatment, things like that. But a name in credits that the majority of us do not read is silly to me.
I work in theater. When we do a show, we can have tons of people, building, running cable, painting, hanging lights, or a multitude of other jobs, some big some small. Every person who worked on the show, for even one day makes it into the playbill. And since it's a paper playbill and more names means more space, and more space means more paper, it costs us extra money to get everyone in. I'm surprised and annoyed at myself that I never realized how many people don't make it into the credits. A multi-billion dollar company would rather pay to shift or remove a name, then just leave it be? It's utterly ridiculous to me.
Awesome article! I’m a freelance photographer and know the importance of credits.What I don’t get is how stupid can the company be not to know that the people they didn’t give credit to have families, friends, acquaintances, and co-workers that all will not buy Darksiders II now. Vigil already had bad press with the layoffs (oh yea there is job security there hahha.) Did they give anyone reassurance that they weren’t next? Geez, do you think the pathetic attitude of why didn’t people stay to support the company when they didn’t give 2 weeks’ notice themselves might be self-justifying.
Woo, what tactics. The What, What did I do? blinders is sad.
Woo, what tactics. The What, What did I do? blinders is sad.
Awesome article! I’m a freelance photographer and know the importance of credits.
What I don’t get is how the company is stupid enough not to know that the people theydidn’t give credit to have families, friends, acquaintances, and co-workers that all will not buy Darksiders II now. Vigil already had bad press with the layoffs (oh yea there is job security there hahha.) Did they give anyone reassurance that they weren’t next? Geez, do you think the pathetic attitude of why didn’t people stay to support the company when they didn’t give 2 weeks’ notice themselves might be self-justifying.
Woo, what tactics. The What, What did I do? blinders is sad.
What I don’t get is how the company is stupid enough not to know that the people theydidn’t give credit to have families, friends, acquaintances, and co-workers that all will not buy Darksiders II now. Vigil already had bad press with the layoffs (oh yea there is job security there hahha.) Did they give anyone reassurance that they weren’t next? Geez, do you think the pathetic attitude of why didn’t people stay to support the company when they didn’t give 2 weeks’ notice themselves might be self-justifying.
Woo, what tactics. The What, What did I do? blinders is sad.
Wow, very nice article. I always knew it was a problem, but never knew that it was that wide spread it was. I once worked for a just few months in QA part-time for Day 1, and I even got in on the credits. This is one of the reasons why (besides the general friendly and welcoming atmosphere of the office) I think so highly of that studio.
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