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German officials want retail demo units off during school photo

Germany has been looking at ways to combat truancy in its schools, believing that skipping school can lead to crime. Officials have decided that one cause of truancy could be videogame demos, and following on from this train of logic, it is possible that retailers may be asked to switch off demos during school hours.

The newspaper Welt am Sonntag quoted Udo Nagel (left), state interior minister of Hamburg, as saying the idea was among 22 recommendations on fighting juvenile delinquency prepared ahead of a meeting of state interior ministers this week.

"Truancy can be the beginning of a criminal career and that’s why we have to intervene," said Nagel. "Not every truant becomes criminal, but criminals skipped school at one time or another."

I love the idea that because criminals have skipped school in the past, that truancy can now be cited as the beginning of a life of crime. That's beautiful logic right there. Apparently stores are a popular hangout for German kids who can't afford their own games like the parasites they are, but I don't think turning the demos off will make them any less likely to skive off school -- they'll just find somewhere else to go. 

I think, rather than banning demos during school hours, retailers should ban the dirty, dirty children. That way, we keep the kids miserable while not impacting the lives of people who work at night, or the terminally unemployable. All stores should refuse to serve children during school hours, and also be granted special rights to smack them.

I'm only half joking.








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Harkonnen's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 08:49
Harkonnen
Well, maybe it is just me, but I have seen lots and lots of kids playing with retail demo units during school hours. Now, I don't now about every goddamn country in the world, but in many of them it is compulsory for the kids to actually go to school. It is not just something optional. So I think this would be a good idea, not as a "ban", but as a general thing to keep them off during school hours (of course they can be turned on if an adult should ask for it).

Again, keep in mind that school might be non-optional, and that it is a fact that lots and lots of kids do play with demo units during school hours. Of course, "banning" them to be on at that times seems a bit overreacting, but I hope I made my point clear.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 08:55
Jim Sterling
Harkonnen: My point is though, that kids should just not be allowed in the store during school hours. I'd rather see that than have the demo units switched off. It not only sends a clearer message, but means I get to play all the fucking Shadowrun I want, which is approximately no Shadowrun.
BlackSunEmpire's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 09:00
BlackSunEmpire
Hes right Jim, at some point most criminals skipped school. As did most noncriminals.

But I think were missing the scarier fact, if most criminals skipped school, then most criminals must have attended schools!! Ban schools and be done with it, no more criminals. "I mean I'm not saying all people who go to school become criminals, but most criminals went to school."
loki d20's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 09:05
loki d20
Most criminals drank milk as well. Oh, and had a mother and father. So, take away milk and either the mother or father and our chances of preventing criminals is increased.

Sound logic.
SnakeDude4Life's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 09:41
SnakeDude4Life
Germany's logic is flawed.

In that vain;

Hitler was a Austrian-born politician; Ban all Austrian-born politicians.
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 10:18
MechaMonkey
How about you hire more truancy officers and post them near places where truants congregate?

And then beat them. With clubs.

I like my plan better.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 10:42
Bob Muir
How about just banning kids from the store entirely? Keeps them from buying M-rated games and saying stupid things like "SMASH BROS. HAS THE BEST GRAPHICS EVAR" within earshot.
3r0t1c n3rd's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 10:49
3r0t1c n3rd
That are just some jackasses who are thinking too loud...
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 10:51
Corak
Ban them from the stores sounds good, I can just picture the kids standing outside looking through a fogged up window, trying to get a glimpse of the demo unit running in the stores, cookie crumbs hanging from their mouths, dirty hands, pockets turned out, and when you leave the store they steal your wallet. See banning them from the stores would lead to a life of crime too. :)
r4z0rbl4d3's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 10:52
r4z0rbl4d3
to ban kids means WORK. nobody wants ANY work or responsibility. its just the easiest way. in my shop they handled it that way for years. before 3 pm everything is turned off. we found a way to play guitar hero 2 on the ps2 nonetheless. we took of the plastik tip from the tremolo and with that "extension" we were able to turn on the ps2. lol let me tell ya, the people there dont linke that kind of tricks (lol although we ware 22).
Hipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 11:18
Hipple
This German guy isn't pulling that truancy quote out of his ass. It's a criminological theory. Kids who skip school are much more likely to be juvenile delinquents, who are likely to become criminal adults. That should be pretty obvious. And if you skipped school and weren't a juvenile delinquent, you're one of the lucky ones.
loki d20's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 11:31
loki d20
@Hipple:

Then prevent them from skipping school, don't affect businesses and/or society, which impacts more than just delinquents, to prevent just this one element. Their logic is not really strong in this regard since the logical step would be to support getting and keeping the kids in school rather than making everything outside of the school too boring for kids that they'd rather be at school since that would also affect the adult population as well.
Harkonnen's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 11:33
Harkonnen
Jim: Okay, you're right. I did read the "retailers should ban children" line in a more literal and tragic way, I guess ;-) I hereby declare my support to your despotic anti-children regime, Master Herod.
liqideos's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 12:00
liqideos
Hey Jim, I hate to break this to you, but yes, it's only a bunch of douchebag teenagers who cut class and go to GameStop during the day to play retail demo units.

How do you spot them? Well, the shirt 20 sizes (no joke), too large for them, with their plastic spiderman backpacks (wtf, why not go all the way and rock hello kitty?)

Oh yeah, and they're trying to shoplift half the time.

Ths report is kind of on the point. I don't think it's necessarily that every kid who cuts class is going to play some PS3 demo station in a store somewhere, but the notion that if you don't stay in school, the probability for crime increases is accurate.
Conan-san's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 12:46
Conan-san
Oh Germany, your continual dicking of your youth and gamers in your surounding countries will eventaly destroy you but we love you all the same.
necrozen's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 13:48
necrozen
My guess is, the only thing that will happen if they kill the demos is that game sales will go up 20%.
CBunn's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 14:31
CBunn
In germany, do all of the kids go to school at the same hours? Here in brazil we have morning school(7:30-12:00 ), and afternoon school(13:30 18:00), separated, so that kind of law wouldn't make any sense
neveranything's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 18:52
neveranything
Here's the catch, if the kid has a legitimate, non-infectious reason to be out of school (recouping from an injury that doesn't affect mobility for example), then they should by all rights be allowed to enter a store and check out the demos.

Then you have the fact that some schools open later than others, or get out earlier than others. You'd have to use a blanket effect, once again keeping kids who by all right should be able to enter the store and play the demos out.

On top of that (depending on which country you're in), there's the option of home schooling. Unless Germany has an extremely strict educational system, I can't see this working by either suggestion (Germany's or Jim's).
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/14/2008 19:23
Aaron Mxy Yost
If this is such a huge problem, why not keep the demo units on to keep kids in the store and have the truancy cops check all the local game shops several times a day?
GOLD5's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/15/2008 09:07
GOLD5
As a former gamestore employee this really burns me up. No one has mentioned the fact that the demo units are not there to be used as a daycare center for absent or shopping parents. Damn neighbor kids AAARRRRGH! [has seizure]. Yeah, actually the reason for the demo kiosks is so that PAYING CUSTOMERS can try out the equipment or games to see if they want to buy something. If there's some little wanker on there making the controller smell like chinese food after 3-4 hours of hogging it, then when some actual customer comes in to oh, I dont know... BUY a PS3, he cant very well test drive it first, can he? We simply had the machines turned on, but showing videos, and when someone wanted to try it, we asked for their drivers license or credit card, which we would hold on to behind the cash until they were done playing. (This method also makes sure that big-sized wanks don't wander far with the wireless Wii controllers.) All ya have to do is enact something like that and Bingo!, no more pint-sized hassles. And as far as it being a pain to enforce rules, when it came to this...we liked it.. let McDonalds funland nursemaid those kids. The worst was on the off occasion when they bought something, they always got buyers remorse real bad and returned everything. And by everything, I mean they return the game, and the buy another game, and then they return that one too. When they come back the third time we tell them that we ain't blockbuster video. Im going to go have a nice relaxing beer, now. Glad I quit.
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