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aahh, not even Ubisoft garnered this much hate with their always online DRM and that was for pure singleplayer experiences.
meh, the amount of retards on the blizzard forums aren't really helping either
meh, the amount of retards on the blizzard forums aren't really helping either
Seems reasonable if internet connection is required to also state it's required permanently. I hope they win.
It says on the box that Internet connection is required. Why do people get so upset about video games... It's not like someone kidnapped your child... If I got mad everytime something didn't go exactly like I thought I would have killed a man by now.
Funny... I'm looking at the system requirements on the box right now, and it specifically mentions Broadband Internet Connection. Grouped right in with all the other requirements, like CPU speed and the such.
The reason for all the uproar is because of the real money auction house. The DRM was meant to secure the value of items being sold in auction. So if the auction is flooded with duped/hacked items they lose value, and legitimate items won't get the best price available.
@Ardent Snow
I think packagings change from region to region, so the German might not have the warning on the back of the box. Specially because, from what I could gather they have like 20 different boxes for each game (not 20 but... you get the idea.)
But it's good people do make some noise about this kind of DRM, not that Blizz will listen, but at least show displeasure.
Also, when in the blue hell did Trips have that beard?!
I think packagings change from region to region, so the German might not have the warning on the back of the box. Specially because, from what I could gather they have like 20 different boxes for each game (not 20 but... you get the idea.)
But it's good people do make some noise about this kind of DRM, not that Blizz will listen, but at least show displeasure.
Also, when in the blue hell did Trips have that beard?!
People read the requirements like they read every user agreement that you have to agree to before you install anything. IE: they don't.
Maybe this is just the lawyer in me talking, but one could make a distinction between "Internet connection required" and "you have to be online at all times." I would certainly expect to need internet for the multiplayer, but might be surprised to find out it was also required to play alone. As I understand it, it's also a departure from the way of Diablo II, which could confuse people.
Of course, I haven't the faintest idea what the German boxes say or know anything about German consumer law.
Of course, I haven't the faintest idea what the German boxes say or know anything about German consumer law.
@ArdentSnow
It's an expensive hobby that transcends generations. We're invested financially and personally. Most gamers have gamed their entire lives. If we don't get upset and voice our complaints, then nothing will get done and the state of gaming in general will only get worse. Apathy is never the answer.
I don't have access to my D3 box right now, but I believe the "internet required" warning is only in small print on the bottom of the box. That's unacceptable. Lots of other industries are not allowed to hide clauses in small print and video games should be no exception.
Besides that, "always on" DRM is something we should be fighting against tooth and nail. The hidden feature of "always on" DRM is that at anytime the publisher can simply turn off their game and you're out of luck. It's not okay to purchase a game that CAN be played single-player then be unable to play it due to technical difficulties or otherwise. While this doesn't affect me being in a city centre with excellent broadband connectivity, it does impact many players who don't have that same luxury, so I sympathize with them.
I hope these guys win. Companies should have to be forthcoming with any drastic limitations their product has, not simply hiding it in the fine print.
It's an expensive hobby that transcends generations. We're invested financially and personally. Most gamers have gamed their entire lives. If we don't get upset and voice our complaints, then nothing will get done and the state of gaming in general will only get worse. Apathy is never the answer.
I don't have access to my D3 box right now, but I believe the "internet required" warning is only in small print on the bottom of the box. That's unacceptable. Lots of other industries are not allowed to hide clauses in small print and video games should be no exception.
Besides that, "always on" DRM is something we should be fighting against tooth and nail. The hidden feature of "always on" DRM is that at anytime the publisher can simply turn off their game and you're out of luck. It's not okay to purchase a game that CAN be played single-player then be unable to play it due to technical difficulties or otherwise. While this doesn't affect me being in a city centre with excellent broadband connectivity, it does impact many players who don't have that same luxury, so I sympathize with them.
I hope these guys win. Companies should have to be forthcoming with any drastic limitations their product has, not simply hiding it in the fine print.
Not only does it say on the box that internet connection is required, but Blizzard also made it clear for a year before launch that they would be using always-on DRM. Pretty much every review out there also mentions this. Ever heard of buyer beware? Do some freakin research before you spend $60 on a game, n00bs.
They could be talking about a bigger warning, like one right in front of the box. If D3's statement on the box is the same as SC2s then it's just printed in extremely small print on the bottom of the box, which is usually done so that people don't see it to begin with.
I guess the point I'm making is that if it's an optional buy. They put a product out and put the required info on the box. It's up to the consumer to understand what they are spending $60 on. I'm not saying that always on is a good thing. I'm simply stating that a lawsuit over semantics of a video game is silly. The problem with our world is that any time something isn't what someone wants they sue. And usually get agregious amounts of money they do not deserve. I don't buy a game unless I know exactly what I'm getting... But maybe that's because I can only afford a new game every once in a while...
@andy: More causal gamers can't be bothered to look this stuff up and how it affects them and even if they do look it up may not understand what the issue is if they constantly have internet. Online DRM works both ways bother the user and the company have to have a connection in order to play the game, something a lot of people who bought the game probably didn't understand until after the entire error 37 incident. I would actually like to see a poll from people about whether or not they would buy a game they know had online DRM again.
I agree that people should do research before hand, but lets face it most humans lack any sort of common sense.
I agree that people should do research before hand, but lets face it most humans lack any sort of common sense.
You know, just for shits and giggles, I decided to continue looking at the Diablo 3 box. 5 out of 6 sides of this box mention "Internet Connection Required". Funny how that works. Maybe they're shooting for 6/6.
Why are people still playing anyway?
I got tired after playing through the story the secound time, and that was 2 weeks after release, how can people still play this so often?
I got tired after playing through the story the secound time, and that was 2 weeks after release, how can people still play this so often?
Yeah, definitely. Good on them. Not making that abundantly clear up front is either very negligent, or incredibly sleazy.
And with HHH and his luscious hair backing them up, they really can't lose.
And with HHH and his luscious hair backing them up, they really can't lose.
Pro tip: "Internet Connection required" is not necessarily the same language as "Connection required for always-on DRM security measure."
To put it analogously: I recently received a promotion in the mail from Charter Communications, from whom I have internet service, advertising a new deal they have in which all three services can be had at the price of 29.99 each. On the back, in small print, is the only place where it specifies CLEARLY that the deal is only for the bundle for the total of some $109 and change, before taxes. Everywhere else, it's deceptively presented that each service of phone line, internet, and cable TV is individually available for the low price of 29.99 for each service.
In other words, of the common sense some of you severely lack: the German boxing probably does not specify CLEARLY the presence of DRM and its specific requirement of always having a valid, active internet connection.
Amazing how much difference a few words can actually make. Did you know that laws are based on how language is used? YEAH!
To put it analogously: I recently received a promotion in the mail from Charter Communications, from whom I have internet service, advertising a new deal they have in which all three services can be had at the price of 29.99 each. On the back, in small print, is the only place where it specifies CLEARLY that the deal is only for the bundle for the total of some $109 and change, before taxes. Everywhere else, it's deceptively presented that each service of phone line, internet, and cable TV is individually available for the low price of 29.99 for each service.
In other words, of the common sense some of you severely lack: the German boxing probably does not specify CLEARLY the presence of DRM and its specific requirement of always having a valid, active internet connection.
Amazing how much difference a few words can actually make. Did you know that laws are based on how language is used? YEAH!
"Internet connection required" != "Internet connection required -at all times-".
Some people have limited bandwidth or reliability issues, and while they can connect to register the game (as would be the case with a Steamworks game) they would have a heavily impacted play experience if their network goes down/they can only play for X hours per month.
Some people have limited bandwidth or reliability issues, and while they can connect to register the game (as would be the case with a Steamworks game) they would have a heavily impacted play experience if their network goes down/they can only play for X hours per month.
@ AndyMC17
Announcing something to the press is not the same as indicating what is in the box being purchased. It is good for consumers to research their purchases before making them, but it should not be necessary for simply finding out what is included in the purchase of the product. To include DRM and its requirements without clearly specifying as much on the packaging amounts to deceiving the consumer.
Feel free to enjoy your own attitude directed towards yourself when you enjoy the singular pleasure that is being deceived by a company in its packing of the product you purchased. Should've done your research, right n00b?
Announcing something to the press is not the same as indicating what is in the box being purchased. It is good for consumers to research their purchases before making them, but it should not be necessary for simply finding out what is included in the purchase of the product. To include DRM and its requirements without clearly specifying as much on the packaging amounts to deceiving the consumer.
Feel free to enjoy your own attitude directed towards yourself when you enjoy the singular pleasure that is being deceived by a company in its packing of the product you purchased. Should've done your research, right n00b?
I played and enjoyed WC 1, 2, and 3; SC; and Diablo 1 and 2. It feels so weird that Blizzard are assholes now. Oh well, everything dies.
Problem is they were, people just don't pay attention.. Look at nutritional facts on food, and people still buy shit food. In europe there is a big black box on cigarettes letting you know smokes can kill you. You know this my limey friend..
Well, they aren't asking for much. I know I'd like to be told of a limitation up front, if there is one.
@Travosaga: "People read the requirements like they read every user agreement that you have to agree to before you install anything. IE: they don't."
Sorry... apparently you're new here, Hi, I'm banana.. This is a post about diablo 3.. a game for the PC.. I dunno what your console buddies tell you they do because all of them own consoles and only use PC's to twit and facebook.. But being a long time PC gamer I always look at the box's requirements before I buy any game.. cause of a few reasons..
1.) System Requirements are always the first things I look at for a new game as my system is only middle of the road and not sure if it can handle it. [was state of the art 4 years ago, but times change..]
2.) If you don't read the box you'll never know what's inside before buying it. Thus when you open it up and you're missing things how do you know you're not missing them?
and finally.. the best reason...
3.) Being an adult/savvy consumer.. I like to know exactly what my hard earned money is being put towards.. if I like something I'll support it.. does it have a demo? if it does you better have played it to even find out if it's your cup of tea...
Hope that helped you better understand where we're coming from here.
Sorry... apparently you're new here, Hi, I'm banana.. This is a post about diablo 3.. a game for the PC.. I dunno what your console buddies tell you they do because all of them own consoles and only use PC's to twit and facebook.. But being a long time PC gamer I always look at the box's requirements before I buy any game.. cause of a few reasons..
1.) System Requirements are always the first things I look at for a new game as my system is only middle of the road and not sure if it can handle it. [was state of the art 4 years ago, but times change..]
2.) If you don't read the box you'll never know what's inside before buying it. Thus when you open it up and you're missing things how do you know you're not missing them?
and finally.. the best reason...
3.) Being an adult/savvy consumer.. I like to know exactly what my hard earned money is being put towards.. if I like something I'll support it.. does it have a demo? if it does you better have played it to even find out if it's your cup of tea...
Hope that helped you better understand where we're coming from here.
It's time to play the game... TIME TO PLAY THE GAMMMEEE... Mwahahaha
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Well, fuck
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Well, fuck
Maybe they won't have to sell the company when their profits start dwindling away with lawsuits like this.
Only braindead Blizzard-Slaves can bitch about this totally reasonable move of a group of funtioning human beings.
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