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Considering how Sony had little to gain from this lawsuit (he isn't rich or anything), and how Hotz said he wouldn't settle unless they'd bring back OtherOS and gave him a public apology.
I think Sony took this one. Also, Hotz sold other hackers out. Because of Sony "winning" this case, it could mean other companies will pursuit other hackers. So Hotz sold out the hackers and community he wanted to protect. Fail.
I think Sony took this one. Also, Hotz sold other hackers out. Because of Sony "winning" this case, it could mean other companies will pursuit other hackers. So Hotz sold out the hackers and community he wanted to protect. Fail.
So.. I guess we're still not sure if Sony can self-legislate or not. I guess we'll kick that can right on down the road....
Considering how much shit Hotz was talking, this almost feels like a cop out. Regardless, Hotz was in a fight he simply couldn't win and SCEA was looking petty and biter so I guess this works best for all sides.
Cue the "zomg Anonymous!!1!" comments...
Cue the "zomg Anonymous!!1!" comments...
So they essentially had this done on the 31st before Anonymous even reared its ungly head...
Shame everyone will ignore that and assume that anonymous actually did anything at all.
Shame everyone will ignore that and assume that anonymous actually did anything at all.
@ Live by the sword
Hardly. More like Anon and Geohotz acted like assholes and Sony got bored of their shit.
Hardly. More like Anon and Geohotz acted like assholes and Sony got bored of their shit.
@Live the Sword... yeaaaa im pretty much sure Sony is shitting their pants because anonymous.. puff seriusly stop living in a tv show.
@Live by the Sword
Yeah! Except, well, this was agreed on in principle over a week ago. So, I guess not.
The Anonymous attack ended up being nothing but low-grade LOIC DDoS anyway, and was handled pretty easily. Who knows if they'll try anything serious in the future, but this settlement sounds more like a win for Sony than for Geohot. That is, unless they put back OtherOS like he had previously demanded.
Yeah! Except, well, this was agreed on in principle over a week ago. So, I guess not.
The Anonymous attack ended up being nothing but low-grade LOIC DDoS anyway, and was handled pretty easily. Who knows if they'll try anything serious in the future, but this settlement sounds more like a win for Sony than for Geohot. That is, unless they put back OtherOS like he had previously demanded.
If not GeoHotz, there will be other hackers who will continue the PS3 mod or homebrew use in Sony's console.
Anyway, it's good to see both parts reached an agreement.
Anyway, it's good to see both parts reached an agreement.
It's good to see that he started behaving like an adult. Intent or not, people were using his work for piracy and this is what should have happened in the first place, instead of the retarded dick-waving he engaged in. Unfortunately, this is like not stabbing someone a fifth time, the damage is already done.
Also, live by the sword confirmed for full retard.
Also, live by the sword confirmed for full retard.
Sony is as happy about settling out of court as Hotz is. If you actually READ the transcripts released, you'd know that Sony did not want this case going on for too long, as the points they were arguing in his case would have caused a shitstorm if gamers had gotten full on wind of them.
Well, that would be true if gamers actually cared. Considering the transcripts have been on the net for weeks and few gamers seemed to be outraged at Sony trying very hard to set some very anti consumer precedents, it would seem like gamers really don't care as long as the next CoD has epic multiplayer.
Well, that would be true if gamers actually cared. Considering the transcripts have been on the net for weeks and few gamers seemed to be outraged at Sony trying very hard to set some very anti consumer precedents, it would seem like gamers really don't care as long as the next CoD has epic multiplayer.
@ Trev
Behaving like an adult?
Check his blog and the post he links to in it. The link is little more than some hardcore whining by the usual internet entitlement whiners.
I'm not saying Sony are angels, but God is he still a douche.
Behaving like an adult?
Check his blog and the post he links to in it. The link is little more than some hardcore whining by the usual internet entitlement whiners.
I'm not saying Sony are angels, but God is he still a douche.
Boring ending... pft... Geobore!
@mrandydixon
I demand that you give us that pearl necklace joke? *snickers*
@mrandydixon
I demand that you give us that pearl necklace joke? *snickers*
BORING I was expecting such an orgasmic ending. Fuck this shit all the bitching and fighting for nothing! Argh there was no reason for me being such a dick in past articles now:( hah
Sweet! He never broke any laws, and Sony would have lost anyway. It's better for them to put this behind them. If they want to control peoples gaming, they need to put it in a cloud they control.
... it would have been interesting to see how the courts would have ruled on this - as others have said, rather anti-climatic.
I'm glad it's over...but it still tastes pretty bitter. I hope someone else will pick up where geohot left off.
@Drakengard
You're right. He made one mature decision and then buried it in shit. I am somewhat embarrassed I expressed any sort of respect for the guy now. And he links to maddox, which is like linking to realultimatepower to prove you can beat someone up.
You're right. He made one mature decision and then buried it in shit. I am somewhat embarrassed I expressed any sort of respect for the guy now. And he links to maddox, which is like linking to realultimatepower to prove you can beat someone up.
It's pretty easy to see how they would have ruled it based on how both sides have acted recently. GeoHotz probably wouldn't have gotten off completely clean, but it was pretty clear based on court documents that the judge in this case was not too keen on agreeing with a few of Sony's main arguments. Not least of which, the argument that consumers have no right to the expectation of a functioning product after that product has reached the end of its warranty. Not to mention Sony's moron lawyers were arguing against something in one of their cases, and arguing for it in another. If Sony had won one of those cases, they would have had to have lost the other because of that.
Sony would have lost this case, without a doubt. Fighting for months so that the world could see just how anti consumer they are, only to lose because their case was weak to begin with, is definitely not in Sony's best interest.
Sony would have lost this case, without a doubt. Fighting for months so that the world could see just how anti consumer they are, only to lose because their case was weak to begin with, is definitely not in Sony's best interest.
Anonymous promised that big surprises were still in store for Sony. It look like the surprise was on them.
They still owe them that surprise. How about they give everyone complimentary pearl necklaces?
Pearl necklaces for everyone!
They still owe them that surprise. How about they give everyone complimentary pearl necklaces?
Pearl necklaces for everyone!
@Byronic Man
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110218181557455
That's the only one I ever bothered to bookmark, it's a pretty good synopsis of the precedent Sony was trying to set in this case.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110218181557455
That's the only one I ever bothered to bookmark, it's a pretty good synopsis of the precedent Sony was trying to set in this case.
Sony had no case and they knew it. I didn't think anonymous would make them buckle so quickly though.
Cough... I don't wan't to know what kind of deal he has made with Sony.
Betraying other hackers? Hacking MS or Nintendo consoles and sharing the results?
Creating a flawless security system for the NGP/PS4?
Oh and Anon has nothing to do with it. Anon retreated because they had full panties... nothing else.
Without full disclosure of terms for the injunction or settlement, I can't honestly believe that we're calling a winner or loser on either side. Although it does seem to show by the take down of sensitive Sony info that Hotz has agreed to no post his findings. Nowhere does it say that he will cease exploring the system, which seems like something he would be keen on continuing considering his past efforts.
As previous arguments have stated, if it is his prerogative to modify hardware that he now owns, then I'm guessing Sony isn't much against that. It's the abuse thereof that has hurt the company and sullied Hotz's work. From his statement made in that regard, it is clear that he either believes this, or is incapable to handling the legal fallout from his tinkering.
Again, I'd be very interested in reading the actual terms agreed to here, as opposed to fomenting upon blind speculation with knuckleheads from the gaming community.
As previous arguments have stated, if it is his prerogative to modify hardware that he now owns, then I'm guessing Sony isn't much against that. It's the abuse thereof that has hurt the company and sullied Hotz's work. From his statement made in that regard, it is clear that he either believes this, or is incapable to handling the legal fallout from his tinkering.
Again, I'd be very interested in reading the actual terms agreed to here, as opposed to fomenting upon blind speculation with knuckleheads from the gaming community.
Wait, Hotz is a liar. he made a rap video about how much he hated Sony and challenged him. Why run from the battle if you are morally and legally correct?
I'm glad this shit is over with. The only things I've learned from this is that Geohot is a douche, Annonymous are a bunch of angry kids who think they are fighting for somebody's right who totally didn't ask for it and that Sony has created the console I can play awesome games on. Guess who I'm siding with?
@ OneRed
"Well, that would be true if gamers actually cared. Considering the transcripts have been on the net for weeks and few gamers seemed to be outraged at Sony trying very hard to set some very anti consumer precedents, it would seem like gamers really don't care as long as the next CoD has epic multiplayer."
I, for one, do not care so long as the next *insert game here* is awesome. That's what most gamers do, right? We buy a console, then we buy games to play on it.
"Well, that would be true if gamers actually cared. Considering the transcripts have been on the net for weeks and few gamers seemed to be outraged at Sony trying very hard to set some very anti consumer precedents, it would seem like gamers really don't care as long as the next CoD has epic multiplayer."
I, for one, do not care so long as the next *insert game here* is awesome. That's what most gamers do, right? We buy a console, then we buy games to play on it.
@Falsenipple
III. ORDER
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED AND ADJUDGED by consent of the Parties that Hotz, whether as an individual or as a principal, officer, director or employee of any business entity, and his agents, servants, employees, distributors, suppliers, representatives and all other persons or entities acting in concert or participation with Hotz who receive notice of
this Judgment, shall be and hereby are permanently enjoined and restrained from:
A. Engaging in any unauthorized access to any SONY PRODUCT under the law;
B. Engaging in any unauthorized access to any SONY PRODUCT under the terms of any SCEA or SCEA AFFILIATES' license agreement or terms of use applicable to that SONY PRODUCT, whether or not Hotz has accepted such agreement or terms of use, including without limitation:
(i) reverse engineering, decompiling, or disassembling any portion of the Sony Product;
(ii) using any tools to bypass, disable, or circumvent any encryption, security, or authentication mechanism in the Sony Product;
(iii) using any hardware or software to cause the Sony Product to accept or use unauthorized, illegal or pirated software or hardware; and
(iv) exploiting any Sony Product to design, develop, update or distribute unauthorized software or hardware for use with the Sony Product. If any term of such SCEA or SCEA Affiliates' license agreement or terms of use applicable to that Sony Product shall be determined by Congress or by a court of law in a final non-appealable decision in an action to which SCEA or an SCEA Affiliate is a party to be illegal and unenforceable, then such term shall not be binding on Hotz.
C. CIRCUMVENTING any of the TPMs or security in any SONY PRODUCT;
D. TRAFFICKING in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof that, at the time of Hotz's trafficking, circumvents any of the TPMs or security in any SONY PRODUCT, including but not limited to the
Elliptical Curve Signature Algorithm ("ECDSA") Keys, encryption and/or decryption keys, dePKG firmware decrypter program, Signing Tools, 3.55 Firmware Jailbreak, and/or any other technologies that enable unauthorized access to and/or copying of the PS3 System and/or enable compatibility of unauthorized copies of other copyrighted works with the PS3 System.
E. Distributing or posting any SCEA or SCEA Affiliates' confidential or proprietary information relating to any SONY PRODUCT;
F. Knowingly assisting or inducing others to engage in any of the conduct set forth in A-E above solely directed at any SONY PRODUCT or that otherwise constitutes contributory liability under the law.
That's what's in the pdf from psx-scene. There's some other stuff about locations and jurisdictions, but this seems to be the relevant part per your comment.
III. ORDER
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED AND ADJUDGED by consent of the Parties that Hotz, whether as an individual or as a principal, officer, director or employee of any business entity, and his agents, servants, employees, distributors, suppliers, representatives and all other persons or entities acting in concert or participation with Hotz who receive notice of
this Judgment, shall be and hereby are permanently enjoined and restrained from:
A. Engaging in any unauthorized access to any SONY PRODUCT under the law;
B. Engaging in any unauthorized access to any SONY PRODUCT under the terms of any SCEA or SCEA AFFILIATES' license agreement or terms of use applicable to that SONY PRODUCT, whether or not Hotz has accepted such agreement or terms of use, including without limitation:
(i) reverse engineering, decompiling, or disassembling any portion of the Sony Product;
(ii) using any tools to bypass, disable, or circumvent any encryption, security, or authentication mechanism in the Sony Product;
(iii) using any hardware or software to cause the Sony Product to accept or use unauthorized, illegal or pirated software or hardware; and
(iv) exploiting any Sony Product to design, develop, update or distribute unauthorized software or hardware for use with the Sony Product. If any term of such SCEA or SCEA Affiliates' license agreement or terms of use applicable to that Sony Product shall be determined by Congress or by a court of law in a final non-appealable decision in an action to which SCEA or an SCEA Affiliate is a party to be illegal and unenforceable, then such term shall not be binding on Hotz.
C. CIRCUMVENTING any of the TPMs or security in any SONY PRODUCT;
D. TRAFFICKING in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof that, at the time of Hotz's trafficking, circumvents any of the TPMs or security in any SONY PRODUCT, including but not limited to the
Elliptical Curve Signature Algorithm ("ECDSA") Keys, encryption and/or decryption keys, dePKG firmware decrypter program, Signing Tools, 3.55 Firmware Jailbreak, and/or any other technologies that enable unauthorized access to and/or copying of the PS3 System and/or enable compatibility of unauthorized copies of other copyrighted works with the PS3 System.
E. Distributing or posting any SCEA or SCEA Affiliates' confidential or proprietary information relating to any SONY PRODUCT;
F. Knowingly assisting or inducing others to engage in any of the conduct set forth in A-E above solely directed at any SONY PRODUCT or that otherwise constitutes contributory liability under the law.
That's what's in the pdf from psx-scene. There's some other stuff about locations and jurisdictions, but this seems to be the relevant part per your comment.
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