I love it when stuff like this is released. This is pretty much just a cock slap to the face of anyone bitching.

I mean, even if the shotgun is "nerfed", it is still the weapon getting players the most kills. Nerfed or not, you can't argue with statistics. I hope this silences the people bitching, now I know how those other dudes felt when I bitched about the Magnum in Halo 2 being nerfed when compared to the Pistol in Halo: CE.

I didn't understand that nerfed shotgun post anyway. It still feels very strong.

It's just not a BFG, but then again it IS a shotgun.

The thing with the shotgun is that the spread is different and the actives condenses that spread, its not like before where aiming anywhere could get you a kill, it can also headshot as well.

Horde is the best, you don't have deal with PvP bullshit and the people are generally a lot nicer, I love it, I doubt I'll ever venture into the PvP world.

The shotgun is still very strong. The only problem with it (and the boomshot) is that when off-host, if you blind fire, no matter where you are looking on screen, the bullets will land at your feet. Now, it's annoying with the shotgun, as it can result in lost kills, but it's super ridiculous with the boomshot, as it just kills you instead of your intended target. Besides that and the black-hole invincible chainsaw, the game is awesome. Just need some real player matches(play with random people while cycling through maps unranked) and separated playlists for matchmaking.

Now I'm curious to know what the percentage of kills with the shotgun were in Gears 1. I'm sure it's still so high mostly because it's a starting weapon, but I'd like to do an objective numerical analysis of the difference.

Actually I noticed that the shotgun was stronger than Gears 1 shotgun, but far less effective since you cannot rush people when they shoot at you anymore.

Also I would bet a million dollars that people play horde more because it was the only gametype where the matchmaking actually worked! For some reason I could only get into Horde games...

Breaking the shotgun broke the rest of the game, when you hit someone with the shotgun you're going to be at close range, however it does not stun the enemy like it did in the past, so when you're shooting someone point blank in with the shotgun and they don't die (because the shotgun only shoots fucking BBs) they're free to introduce you to the chainsaw at any moment because they're stun free. They could've made the other guns stronger, instead of listening to the crybabies bitching about the shotgun from the first one. Not that it all really matters since it takes half an hour to find a game anyway, but Epic really dropped the ball on this one.

Just a guess here but I'm pretty sure that the shotgun has the most kills because you cannot get a kill with the lancer. The lancer downs the person and then you get an execution.

God, I love this game more than I anticipated.

Let's get one thing straight first. The feel of the shotgun has been changed. That's a fact. Aiming it is more difficult and circling an enemy and shooting him in the back is harder. You can fire the shotgun at someone 3 times and the shots go through them.

I'm not the only one saying this, I know some of the best shotgunners from Gears1. Who are saying the samething. Now all that being said. It is possible to relearn this new shotgun. It just takes practice. I'm already rolling and shotgunning, just like Gears1.

Wow orionsaint are you the same guy posting in the other thread about this? About how they ruined it? Now you learned how to use it better and it isn't that bad? Interesting, very interesting.

Well, where do I begin.. I've been on numerous websites just to voice my Gears 'shotty' opinion, despite it ain't going to change anything; I feel as though I oughta say something.
Firstly, I went on Gears this morning, and I got 12 shotgun kills: coz thats all I use. They've drastically reduced the blindfire accuracy of the shotgun and they have stopped you 'pop shotting' , forcing you to fully aim like a complete noob. I only got those 12 kills because there was no lag, but when there is lag, even a slight amount then the shotgun becomes practically useless. Shooting air at enemies isn't a fast way to kill. I don't think the fact that epic reduced the speed of the shotgun is such a bad thing, It makes you try to get it first time and benefits the game by how its played. Im just completely frustrated by the fact that the shotgun is now connection orientated, even half a second of shotgun lag can turn the tide of the battle. Especially since the damage is absolutely miniscule compared to Gears one. The shotgun is extremely random, as it was in the first Gears: but now the tiny damage of the shotgun always gets you gunned down by people with Hammer bursts, Lancers or Pistols. The stopping power makes a good introduction to Gears, but it is too extreme. At times making you run slower than Walking.
Title Update 2 supposedly altered the low latency of the shotgun, to high- which is basically how well it performs with the effects of lag. You see, I'm still heavily effected by lag, and the lack of power, even for the more accurate hits punishes you, time after time with exaggerated death. Please Epic, Help us.