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Gearbox's Helquist talks Borderlands' conclusion photo

A lot of people -- including a few Destructoid staff members -- didn’t dig the so-called “weak” conclusion to Borderlands. I can’t agree with the assessment for a few reasons (one being my epic confrontation with you-know-who), but I understand the argument. More insightful than my reactions to the matter, though, are Paul Helquist’s, a senior designer for the game. He told MTV Multiplayer that Gearbox is going to keep the poor reception of the ending in mind going forward, in both downloadable content and full games in the future.

"We went through lots of different iterations on what the ending of the game was,” Helquist said. “We ultimately ended up with what you get to play. We didn't know how people were going to react to it. Obviously the reaction hasn't been as strong as we had hoped.

“That's something we're going to be keeping in mind as we do new things, whether it's download content or other games in the future. We're gonna think more about it and try to get more user feedback before the game comes out so we can ensure that we'll have endings that you guys like in the future."

Later, Helquist said that, at the least, the ending of Borderlands keeps the story open for sequels and content. The recent release of the “Zombie Island of Dr. Ned,” is proof of that. It picks right up where the game trails off. Hell, it even adds zombies to the core game without issue. Weird, right?








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Locke's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 14:24
Locke
borderlands is ehhh. it had a strong opening, but clearly doesn't have the ooommph to go down as one of the best.

it seemed too dumbed down and kiddy like, not enough real puzzle solving the the past greats had.

i doubt DLC will fix this, merely it will just add more of the same
Zeta Crossfire's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 14:24
Zeta Crossfire
You have three hot chicks in your bed. There all bi which is amazing luck for you and they start tearing each others clothes off. They look at you and say come here big boy. You take off your clothes and they all look down at you and gasp. You can't get it up and they leave. THE ENDING WAS THAT DISAPPOINTING!
*spo-- im spoiling nothing

Really just a big boss battle at the end? And he drops crap loot? At the end i was screaming wtf? I then told my friend that the lady better put out and as i said that it turns out shes a fking satellite. To this day i can't play the game see here and not say "shut up bitch your a satellite"

They did a good job with the pacing though, towards the end i was rushing to get to the end i think that was the best part of the story.
Locke's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 14:33
Locke
I thought the satellite idea was cool, but it could have been implement better. SHe could send signals to things to help you out, like open doors). it would have been cool if you had so many points to use to ask help from her...

poorly implemented...
snotrocket's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 14:38
snotrocket
The game is awesome. The ending sucked but many recent games endings suck. The only thing that pissed me off is the fact you're supposedly fighting the vault, a keeper of many treasures and mysteries! YOU THINK AFTER KICKING IT'S ASS IT WOULD DROP SOMETHING OTHER THAN 4 THINGS OF AMMO AND A RETARDED GREEN PISTOL!

That is all.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 14:39
mix
The ending was weak but it hasn't stopped me from shooting peoples faces off and looting. Diablo never really had an ending, you just ketp going and going and going and I think that is what they tried to do....if not I really don't know what else to say on the matter, lol.
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 14:41
Kraid
Who cares if the ending sucks, the game is outstanding.
Phantom Spaceman's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 14:42
Phantom Spaceman
Who cares if the ending sucked? The story wasn't the focus of the game. It was all about the loot.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 14:43
Occams electric toothbrush
I don't think any of us played the game for the ending. While I was disappointed by the ending I had a great time getting there so I'm not terribly upset. If it bothers you that much that the ending was lacking, just let it go and wait for Borderlands 2.
John Johnson's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 14:45
John Johnson
Yeah, I didn't really give a shit about the end, or the beginning, or really the story for that matter.

The thing that's disappointing to me about the end is you can't fight that boss fight again. I wanted an endless Baal run type situation.
WormFOODx's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 14:46
WormFOODx
Spoilers aside, if this thing really wanted to be more of a Diablo type game they needed fighting the boss be a little more strategic or longer with better rewards for beating them. Most of the time I had better before I got to them. I was one of those guys doing Mephisto runs on Diablo 2 just to get better gear.

As for the end boss drops, Diablo didn't drop anything if I remember right. The only reason why we expect it here is how they handled the post boss implementation. Just not well thought out. Also they needed a deeper post game more than just replay the game. Maybe just a little please? Next time without DLC?
Grimhound's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 14:47
Grimhound
It's just good to know the giant mutant squid from Watchmen was able to find work after they cut him from the movie.
fozzyozzy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 14:48
fozzyozzy
If you're looking for epic encounter then, no, the ending is not that. If instead you take it as a grand Universe is playing a trick on you/ Douglas Adams plot device, then I think it works.
WormFOODx's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 14:48
WormFOODx
@Grimhound

This brings up a good point. I honestly thought this game had the humor of a spoof more than it's own game. Point after point there was some sense of humor about it and I think even the boss was part of it. There is a guy with the last name of Durden that runs a fight club, there is a shotgun named Boomstick, the last boss.... the list goes on and on.
Locke's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 15:02
Locke
Seriously this game wasn't that good. It got pretty boring doing most of the missions where you are a glorified delivery boy or something. the vehicles sucked, there was no way to build your own... or upgrade/ modify it. The guys never tried to climb into the vehicle and pull you out. the loot whoring does provide some amount of busy work, but after you get 4 good ones you don't need better... really...

if you play this game for loot then you are missing out b/c this game is 80% of a great game. The loot and a story and interaction could have all been implemented, there's tons of ways other then going on scavenger hunts to occupy a player. in 3 years no one will be talking about borderlands, but people will still be talking about diablo II.
Cough's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 15:07
Cough
Isn't it, and please correct me if i'm wrong, possible to just make another ending? And paste it with a DLC? Always making patches fixing bugs or gameplay issues, why not then a story issue? Change the last boss or whatever.
readbigwordsisgood's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 15:10
readbigwordsisgood
I think my focus is maps, artwork, architectural layout and design. In short - map quantity and the distinctive locations and characteristics of mood for each map.

The entire game is in one slightly different garbage pile in a desert after another.

There is a cavern, and a dock and a few interiors. But nothing else to break up the monotony of what is otherwise - another garbage pile in a desert.

Totally fucking boring after a while.

Sadly, the game ends right after there is any change in map location or character. And it's those mountain maps that you don't have ANY missions to.

You just get to run through them. The AI was ass enough, that while supposedly under heavy attack all I had to do to elude enemies was, run to the end of the map.

The mini game that they stripped out of the game - to sell as an add on does look different, and had it been part of the 60 dollar game perhaps it might have justified what was- a 60 dollar game.

Huge disappointment.

Sold my copy on Amazon last week for 36 bucks. May the trade in stampede begin.
Malakym's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 15:14
Malakym
For me, it was like the ending drove up, gave a high-five, and then rode off again with out saying a word. How am I supposed to feel satisfied with that?

The ending was off, not because of the boss fight, but because the game just screeches to a stop there, as far as finale goes. (It's something games mess up on a lot, really.) All climax and no cool down; Nothing for you to coast into credits with.
Fiat Mediocrity's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 15:15
Fiat Mediocrity
I'm currently in the Dahl Highlands at level 24 with no intention of going any further.

This game blows.
WormFOODx's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 15:21
WormFOODx
Well at least the game sold well enough to give them another shot at a sequel.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 15:22
Chris Carter
@readbigwordsisgood

Agreed. Every dungeon crawler I've ever played has at least a few different locales. Diablo II? Deserts, lush forests, underground crypts, jungles, etc.

Everything looks the same in Borderlands. I wasn't really excited to ever discover a new area. It also takes a week maximum to get max level, and you can't even farm the final boss again. I traded in my copy for $40 about a week ago.
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 15:35
falinter
Well atlteast he kind of admitted it sucked. Honestly the ending being horrible didn't bother me that much. The game was such a ride that it didn't phase me.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 15:40
Black Nexus
Yeah the ending was meh to say the least, borederlands had potential to be one of the best it just fell short in the end.

Seriously some more environments, explinations on the characters, and more variety in the missions and you would have easily been looking at GOTY.its so sad,it had the concept and the execution, but it really needed polish.

But mabye the expansions will help that.
dwtomek's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 15:53
dwtomek
I loved the ending personally. Fighting that entire time and finally making it to open the vault and claim my prize and then...wtf?! Turns out the vault is a prison, not some awesome super weapons cache. Made good sense to me. I'm imagining most peoples disdain for the ending was that they didn't get to go raiding super loot land? I was disappointed by that but still liked the ending.
Fearzone's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 16:01
Fearzone
I'm puzzled how a game designer would be surprised at the widespread disappointment.
Hammersmith's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 16:06
Hammersmith
The ending was like scribblenauts, instead of making a sensible ending they just like wrote "cthulu" into the code and called it a day.

This game was seriously awesome though, definitely top 5 this year.
kaosis's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 16:11
kaosis
Diablo + a bajillion guns = awesome.
Borderlands isn't about the destination, it's about the journey getting there.

I for one loved how borderlands ended. I prefer the atypical endings where the guy doesn't exactly get the girl etc, or gets the girl and finds out it's a dude, or gets the girls whos not dude but is an alien bug thing...

I really dislike the usual endings in a game/movie.
ikiryou's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 16:45
ikiryou
Chalk it up to Different strokes for different folks. I wasn't expecting an epic ending in the vein of Gone With The Wind. As it turns out, not every video game has to feature a storybook ending in order to be worth playing. The sheer act of reaching "The Vault" was epic enough for me.
Neeklus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 17:13
Neeklus
The game had no story whatsoever. Saying it's an FPS/RPG is misleading. It has RPG elements (such as levelling, skill-trees etc), but the NPC's had a few lines of dialogue and that was it. Don't waste your time talking to them after you've done their quests, because they're not interested etc etc.

So the ending in terms of story, wasn't shocking. What pissed me off about it was how stupendously easy it was. As a soldier all I needed to do was take out my rifle with the largest clip, stand and fire. Reload, fire. Rinse. Repeat. I didn't even move. By far the easiest boss, nay encounter, in the game.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 17:18
Holyetheline
They should have allowed the survivors access to the vault after killing the Guardian only to discover that there are many vaults located within the universe. Hundreds or maybe even THOUSANDS. They could have allowed you to get into just that ONE vault in Borderlands and then maybe the sequel can have multiple vaults and maybe each vault would have an awesome boss guarding it and all the guardians were different and didn't suck so much. You know that on my second play-through I actually got behind the guardian and killed him from beneath his left tenticles without even taking damage... the boss fight should have been refined a bit. Overall this game is amazing, it's my GOTY for 2009 and I don't give a shit what anybody says.
matrixdude171's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 17:23
matrixdude171
Yea, it leaves it open, but that ending sucked balls. Nothing even alluded to the Destroyer, and the eridian weaponry is never explained. Is the weaponry from the guardians? are they the eridians? if so why don't they use it?
SaintV's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 18:11
SaintV
The ending clearly needed to be better but the rest of the game was great.
Chilly's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 18:21
Chilly
I love BLs but one day a mate asked what the story was about and why do you have to kill the other guys; it took a lot of thought to actually make the story sound good, at first I didnt really get the whole story until near the end, the middle was a little gray. Hope there will be a better ending like this was a sub ending and the real thing happens next, or ninja assassin clap trap happens.
bluemeep's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 18:49
bluemeep
@Cough: Why not? Worked for Fallout.

I roleplayed the ending. I'm pretty sure I was saying the same things Lilith was.
Psychoholic420's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/24/2009 19:32
Psychoholic420
Anybody got Borderlands for PS3 wanna play online? my tag is Psychoholic420. word
AdamantiumHip's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/25/2009 05:37
AdamantiumHip
I didn't dig the ''weak'' game at all.

it was like fallout, if fallout was boring, had no good characters or interesting storylines and was a totally shallow, mediocre shooting game.
MCChampaignMillionaire's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/25/2009 06:31
MCChampaignMillionaire
Forget the story but I am going to buy this game later
Neo Rena's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/25/2009 13:38
Neo Rena
I guess I'm the only one that actually understood the ending...
Oh well, guess they'll listen to the fans and ruin their next game like Bethesda ruined The Elder Scrolls with Oblivion and Bioware will ruin the Mass Effect trilogy with Mass Effect 2!
Jeffery Harris's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/25/2009 13:45
Jeffery Harris
DLC: ALTERNATE ENDING, yes plz. *spoiler* Who the hell thought fighting a GIANT VAGINA was a good ending, then once thats done all u do is ROLL CREDITS..."TURN IN"
Netnavi's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/25/2009 22:23
Netnavi
@ Neo Rena

ok so what the heck did the ending mean. I mean, I get that it's Pandora's "box" lol but ok, why did the lady in the vision want me opening it? I know why MY character wanted to open it (for the loot) but who is the person in the visions? And why did (I assume the lady in the satellite;vision lady)she turn on the claptraps ninja mode?


There needed to be some kind of closure to what was being setup. I can understand trying to leave it mysterious and open for a sequel, but maybe they could have done...more. IDK. All that we got was "Oh now we can discover the secrets of the technology in the vault" OK. How does that help my character?

It was a great game, dont get mewrong, but it needed an epilogue.
Netnavi's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/25/2009 22:28
Netnavi
and why is the bus driver the narrator . What is his role in the story other than the intro and firearms dealer?
ManAnimalX's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/29/2009 23:59
ManAnimalX
Hogwash!, and you've been designing games for how long now?.... they already know how people are going to react, thats just lies...but if they give you the ending that you actually deserve perhaps the interest in future titles will not be as strong. This game was "Marketed" on the the Idea of getting into the Vault, but it Never happens, if they make it so you actually get into the Vault, then what are they going to use to sell the idea of Borderland 2?
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