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I do think that a company like Gearbox should have enough resources to not trace images or part of images, but hey sometimes people and companies are lazy, as long as they acknowledge the theft, everything's chill.
As far as I can see the trail is the only thing that is the same between the two images.
Yeah, it's not cool that they used it without permission,
but I'd hardly call using one squiggly line "pilfering art".
Yeah, it's not cool that they used it without permission,
but I'd hardly call using one squiggly line "pilfering art".
The trailing path lift is the only part I'd find even slighty sketchy. Otherwise, if it was my art, I'd have probably given a nudge and a wink and an "I see what you did there!"
Artists influence each other all the time. Sometimes that influence is more obvious than others, but it's always there.
Lifting bits of art is a bit more questionable, but to the extent seen here it's absolutely nothing to get anyone unleashing the lawyers over. Just shows some lazyness. Redrawing the same thing would have been acceptable and taken just a few minutes.
Artists influence each other all the time. Sometimes that influence is more obvious than others, but it's always there.
Lifting bits of art is a bit more questionable, but to the extent seen here it's absolutely nothing to get anyone unleashing the lawyers over. Just shows some lazyness. Redrawing the same thing would have been acceptable and taken just a few minutes.
Fantastic. I was really worried that we'd go a whole 24 hours without more game industry controversy bullshit.
So because something is similar, they're stealing it? They didn't steal anything, stealing is taking something without permission, keeping it as it was, then claiming it as your own.
This looks like an artist who happened to be a Star Wars fan and wanted to have a reference to that particular poster in the game for other Star Wars fans to enjoy. A few years ago, we would have called that an homage. Today, we're using the same terms to describe this as we used to describe the people who directly lifted assets from Diablo and Torchlight, without modifying them in any way.
This looks like an artist who happened to be a Star Wars fan and wanted to have a reference to that particular poster in the game for other Star Wars fans to enjoy. A few years ago, we would have called that an homage. Today, we're using the same terms to describe this as we used to describe the people who directly lifted assets from Diablo and Torchlight, without modifying them in any way.
That's most likely a reference to the story considering the Vault Hunters are "Striking Back" in a way.
This is definitely not theft, but yeah, the "inspiration" is pretty clear, it would be nice if the guy got some recognition.
@RenegadePanda - Look at the waving lines on both pictures, Gearbox ripped that one right from the original image.
That's funny because I was just posting yesterday about Star Wars in here. Star Wars is literally a copy and paste of scenes from old movies. Kind of ironic.
And I don't know when "fanart" crosses over to "art" but Olly Moss is ridiculously popular. His prints sell out in seconds, dude is legit.
Ah, yes, the blurred line between "inspiration," "homage," and "theft." I wonder, did they have to contact Vince Gilligan before having a Psycho exclaim, "I'm the one who knocks!"? It was a small, somewhat random bit taken out of a piece of art (just try and tell me Breaking Bad isn't art), and used without expressly giving credit to someone else.
This is how things work and I'm quite glad to see that this guy is just trying to call to attention that this was his, and hope for them to say, "yes, we did this, possibly on purpose" and then move on. That's how life should work, not people running to the courts.
This is how things work and I'm quite glad to see that this guy is just trying to call to attention that this was his, and hope for them to say, "yes, we did this, possibly on purpose" and then move on. That's how life should work, not people running to the courts.
Wow. I'm actually shocked at the amount of commenters in this section that have no concept of what it means to plagiarize art. I don't know what you people do for a living, but creative individuals who work very hard to get recognized and compensated for their ideas and execution rely on their ideas being unique to survive.
Now, Olly Moss is pretty established by this point, as an artist, but that's not the point. Even if they didn't copy the trail of smoke (which they did), when they replicated the concept of his Star Wars piece without his permission (which he probably would have given), the person responsible revealed how goddamn out of touch they are with working artists - similar to almost everyone here in this thread.
Yes, you do not own an idea to the point where you can sue someone if it's mimicked (or even in this case with actual assets stollen as well), but it's shady fuckin business to rip that off. Largely because working creatives in the field spend so much goddamn time trying to come up with a good idea that serves the project that most of us are paranoid that someone else did it first. We research intensively and familiarize ourselves with all sorts of new work coming out to minimize the chance of stepping on another artist's toes. It's a matter of respect, and I'm bummed that likely several people at Gearbox didn't care about respecting another artist.
But, as Olly Moss has made clear, this isn't worth getting angry about. It's disappointing, but people's reaction here is indicative of the same flippancy that likely got this rip-off green lit.
Now, Olly Moss is pretty established by this point, as an artist, but that's not the point. Even if they didn't copy the trail of smoke (which they did), when they replicated the concept of his Star Wars piece without his permission (which he probably would have given), the person responsible revealed how goddamn out of touch they are with working artists - similar to almost everyone here in this thread.
Yes, you do not own an idea to the point where you can sue someone if it's mimicked (or even in this case with actual assets stollen as well), but it's shady fuckin business to rip that off. Largely because working creatives in the field spend so much goddamn time trying to come up with a good idea that serves the project that most of us are paranoid that someone else did it first. We research intensively and familiarize ourselves with all sorts of new work coming out to minimize the chance of stepping on another artist's toes. It's a matter of respect, and I'm bummed that likely several people at Gearbox didn't care about respecting another artist.
But, as Olly Moss has made clear, this isn't worth getting angry about. It's disappointing, but people's reaction here is indicative of the same flippancy that likely got this rip-off green lit.
Sidenote again: He was hired to do the Resistance 3 cover art. You know, the awesome one. This isn't just images on his deviantart page.
Looks like a little bit of nothing. An artist ripping off fan art. Its lame, but not much more than lame.
Also, worth pointing out again that the artist in question seems less upset about the whole thing than any of the articles about it make it sound.
Reading his twitter it sounds like he isn't even "looking for acknowledgement" as Jim suggests. His comments are just that he's disappointed because he didn't get to make it himself because he loves Borderlands and would have jumped at the opportunity.
...And some minor finger waggling for lifting the zig-zag clouds.
Reading his twitter it sounds like he isn't even "looking for acknowledgement" as Jim suggests. His comments are just that he's disappointed because he didn't get to make it himself because he loves Borderlands and would have jumped at the opportunity.
...And some minor finger waggling for lifting the zig-zag clouds.
Only thing worth mentioning is the same river thingy, but besides that it's pretty much nothing. I can't wait for the day artists can't make a drawing of the same character without being accused of theft.
I will never understand this kind of thing. I'm glad the guy isn't making a big deal out of it but the whole "WRAH BURN EM AT THE STAKE FOR COPYING MY STUFF AND NOT GIVING CREDIT" thing and then at the same time bashing Apple for doing relatively the same thing...but in court and for money...is just beyond words.
I understand it's likely meant as a homage or "Easter egg" rather than a theft -- Gearbox artists are certainly competent to draw their own zigzag lines -- but from a corporate liability standpoint the Gearbox artist should either have drawn a new "interpretation" of the zigzag rather than lifting it directly, or better, gotten permission to use it beforehand. Glad to hear Moss is cool with it, though.
Hmmm...up to old tricks, Gearbox? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmeP1YkaeTo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Seems like Borderlands fans are more worked up than Moss. He said it wasn't a big deal.
Seems like Borderlands fans are more worked up than Moss. He said it wasn't a big deal.
Hmmm...up to old tricks, Gearbox? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmeP1YkaeTo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Seems like Borderlands fans are more worked up than Moss. He said it wasn't a big deal.
Seems like Borderlands fans are more worked up than Moss. He said it wasn't a big deal.
Hmmm...up to old tricks, Gearbox? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmeP1YkaeTo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Seems like Borderlands fans are more worked up than Moss. He said it wasn't a big deal.
Seems like Borderlands fans are more worked up than Moss. He said it wasn't a big deal.
Hmmm...up to old tricks, Gearbox? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmeP1YkaeTo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Seems like Borderlands fans are more worked up than Moss. He said it wasn't a big deal.
Seems like Borderlands fans are more worked up than Moss. He said it wasn't a big deal.
Hmmm...up to old tricks, Gearbox? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmeP1YkaeTo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Seems like Borderlands fans are more worked up than Moss. He said it wasn't a big deal.
Seems like Borderlands fans are more worked up than Moss. He said it wasn't a big deal.
Hmmm...up to old tricks, Gearbox? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmeP1YkaeTo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Seems like Borderlands fans are more worked up than Moss. He said it wasn't a big deal.
Seems like Borderlands fans are more worked up than Moss. He said it wasn't a big deal.
The zig-zag is really the only thing the same. As for the concept, it has been used many, many times before. The silhouette framing a landscape is certainly not his original idea.
It sure fucking is theft of the whole concept. I can take other people's art and move things around but you have - from what I can tell - 3 elements lifted. It's paying homage sure but not publicly, so it's dishonest.
@sybrwookie: Two totally different things. Having a guy say "Heeeere's Johnny" in a game or film is an obvious reference to The Shining. Lifting art that's somewhat obscure to most people is not a tribute.
Catchlines are jokes that you may or may not get, but the people that get it are aware of the homage. Ripping off a graphic design that's relatively unknown is ripping it off. If they'd done it like one of the original Star Wars posters, that's obvious, it's iconic.
Not really that blurry of a line but one that people here don't seem to understand the difference between the two.
Catchlines are jokes that you may or may not get, but the people that get it are aware of the homage. Ripping off a graphic design that's relatively unknown is ripping it off. If they'd done it like one of the original Star Wars posters, that's obvious, it's iconic.
Not really that blurry of a line but one that people here don't seem to understand the difference between the two.
Huh thats a pretty strait rip, I count 4 things that were copied and the only thing that WASNT copied is the logo(from the parts of the images that I can see in the header).
Sure the silhouette against the landscape has probably been done before, but not in that exact way with the wavy lines and the ship. And BL2 copied the concept exactly. Im not saying it was right or wrong, just pointing out that they did more than just use a similar concept - they used the exact same concept.
Sure the silhouette against the landscape has probably been done before, but not in that exact way with the wavy lines and the ship. And BL2 copied the concept exactly. Im not saying it was right or wrong, just pointing out that they did more than just use a similar concept - they used the exact same concept.
Gearbox should throw him a couple of bucks or a really awesome collectors editions, because the guy is being really classy about it
@Renegade Panda
I'd normally agree with your sentiments but you really should take a closer look at the picture, an aspect of it looks as though it's been directly lifted...
I'd normally agree with your sentiments but you really should take a closer look at the picture, an aspect of it looks as though it's been directly lifted...
Could be synchronicity. Or maybe the second artist didn't consciously remember having seen the original, and it eventually manifested in his own work. Stuff like this happens all the time in comics. One of the websites (I forget which one, probably Bleeding Cool) even had a regular feature on it.
Or of course it could be as simple as one guy ripping another off. Just presenting other possibilities.
Or of course it could be as simple as one guy ripping another off. Just presenting other possibilities.
The head, cricle object of the head, the background trail thing, the ships. You can use those however you like but when you combine them all and align them the exact same way, it's ripping off the original idea.
The zig-zag is directly lifted apparently, and that's one element. These other elements were not only lifted in concept, but the entire concept itself was lifted.
The zig-zag is directly lifted apparently, and that's one element. These other elements were not only lifted in concept, but the entire concept itself was lifted.
This type of imitation/copying exists in all art-forms. Most prevalent is sampling in music. People need to chill out. It's not like they took the entire image and said it was original art.
What is up with the excessive defense here? The entire style of the poster is the same. Call the horse a horse.
RotFX, I don't think anyone's freaking out. But even using samples gets acknowledged. There was a kickstarter game that borrowed assets from an Torchlight game recently which was called out. This is kind of the same.
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