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Why is everyone creaming their pants over GoW3's graphics, anyway?
They look good, but they're far from great.
They look good, but they're far from great.
Panda, what console game looks better at the moment? Please do not tell me Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, Mass Effect 2, or MW2...because you'd be lying.
@craigbezzle
Not saying anything looks better, but those graphics are nowhere near as amazing as everyone says they are. Yeah, they're good, but everything could be a lot better. God Of War 3, from everything I've seen, played and experienced just looks like an HD remake of God of War 2. I don't get why it's such a big deal, nor did I get the huge 'zomg' reaction behind Uncharted 2's graphics.
Not saying anything looks better, but those graphics are nowhere near as amazing as everyone says they are. Yeah, they're good, but everything could be a lot better. God Of War 3, from everything I've seen, played and experienced just looks like an HD remake of God of War 2. I don't get why it's such a big deal, nor did I get the huge 'zomg' reaction behind Uncharted 2's graphics.
@Renegade, Yep. Uncharted 2's graphics raised the bar for me and God of War 3 didn't quite reach it.
I agree, they could be better---but I do feel that it's the best looking console game I've seen personally. Uncharted 2 was a joke, honestly.
@x1251
Yeah, I'm trolling because I don't bow down to God of War. Shut up, dumbass. I'm stating my opinion, and my opinion is the graphics aren't this godlike fucking creation that everyone makes them out to be. And if you would actually think (a concept for you, I'm sure) before commenting, you'd realize that you can still be good at something, but not the best. Just because there is nothing to compare it to doesn't automatically mean you're the greatest at what you do. If a Pinto were the most reliable car on the market, would it be the best car just because you had nothing to compare it to? You sir, are an idiot, which every one of your moronic comments fully displays. You can't even make a logical comment without bashing someone else or the topic itself. I didn't realize having an opinion made you a troll now. I guess were all trolls to you, unless we agree with you.
Fuck off already.
Yeah, I'm trolling because I don't bow down to God of War. Shut up, dumbass. I'm stating my opinion, and my opinion is the graphics aren't this godlike fucking creation that everyone makes them out to be. And if you would actually think (a concept for you, I'm sure) before commenting, you'd realize that you can still be good at something, but not the best. Just because there is nothing to compare it to doesn't automatically mean you're the greatest at what you do. If a Pinto were the most reliable car on the market, would it be the best car just because you had nothing to compare it to? You sir, are an idiot, which every one of your moronic comments fully displays. You can't even make a logical comment without bashing someone else or the topic itself. I didn't realize having an opinion made you a troll now. I guess were all trolls to you, unless we agree with you.
Fuck off already.
... I don't get this, is the game even out in the US? If not, wtf does everyone who hasn't played the game have something to say about it's graphics. Seriously...
@Xzyliac
Every now and then, especially when I'm tired.
I also played Yakuza 3 earlier...which left me craving Japanese food and full of rage. Probably not healthy.
I'm a bit dizzy too.
Every now and then, especially when I'm tired.
I also played Yakuza 3 earlier...which left me craving Japanese food and full of rage. Probably not healthy.
I'm a bit dizzy too.
People are quick to judge GoW3's graphics when they've only played a demo that's 8 or 9 months old, videos on the interwebs, and seen screens.
I never thought Final Fantasy 13 looked that great til I popped it into my ps3 and saw it on my 40' Bravia. I'm pretty sure this is going to be the same way.
Let's hold off judgment until we actually play the game ourselves! Crazy fucking concept, right?
I never thought Final Fantasy 13 looked that great til I popped it into my ps3 and saw it on my 40' Bravia. I'm pretty sure this is going to be the same way.
Let's hold off judgment until we actually play the game ourselves! Crazy fucking concept, right?
@Revariance, Exrecaller
To be fair graphics are the one thing you can probably judge without playing the game most of the time. If it looks better when I play the game than that's all fine and dandy but I think graphics are an exception to the "Wait and see," policy.
I mean it's graphics. Not that hard to judge.
I'll point out that I wasn't impressed with Crysis either (and not impressed with Crysis 2). So maybe I'm just a fickle bitch.
To be fair graphics are the one thing you can probably judge without playing the game most of the time. If it looks better when I play the game than that's all fine and dandy but I think graphics are an exception to the "Wait and see," policy.
I mean it's graphics. Not that hard to judge.
I'll point out that I wasn't impressed with Crysis either (and not impressed with Crysis 2). So maybe I'm just a fickle bitch.
Damn, looks like I missed out on all x1251 fun. Maybe next thread.
Thanks for being my stand-in, Panda.
Thanks for being my stand-in, Panda.
@Revariance
I agree, I'm not judging the game or the graphics, just giving my opinion. I'm not trying to say the game or the graphics suck, I just think they're getting a little too over hyped. And really, that statement works both ways...how does everyone know the game looks so amazing if it's not out? Based on the comments of one person (and we all know this is somewhat subjective)? And screenshots? Anyway, point made, I do agree we shouldn't judge. I may come off as judgemental, but it's not intentional.
I agree, I'm not judging the game or the graphics, just giving my opinion. I'm not trying to say the game or the graphics suck, I just think they're getting a little too over hyped. And really, that statement works both ways...how does everyone know the game looks so amazing if it's not out? Based on the comments of one person (and we all know this is somewhat subjective)? And screenshots? Anyway, point made, I do agree we shouldn't judge. I may come off as judgemental, but it's not intentional.
@Exrecaller since the reintroduction of fanboism people comment on graphics while staring at a blurry monitor from across the room streaming an ad if it promotes their agenda. I agree it wasn't "mindblowing" if you were going in to it thinking "THIS IS GOING TO HAVE THE BEST GRAFIX EVAR" but it sure is sleek and smooth. And that was based on the old demo.
panda is a fool. Sorry no offense but your statement just did not make any sense. Please do show us what is godlike graphics to you because that is a very oblique response.
@Xzyliac
You're not wrong at all. I should elaborate. Look at all the video reviews on GoW3. If you you've watched a few than by now you'll probably notice how they all show the same footage. Basically stuff that has been in trailers that we've already seen. That being said, GoW is doing a lot of technically impressive stuff with scale and 'camera' work that most people haven't even gotten a glimpse of. If you played Uncharted 2(arguably the most graphically impressive game of last year), you'll remember most of the breath taking moments in that game were very subtle. A loud, abrasive, explosive game...with touches of subtlety. Don't be surprised to see the same thing here.
You're not wrong at all. I should elaborate. Look at all the video reviews on GoW3. If you you've watched a few than by now you'll probably notice how they all show the same footage. Basically stuff that has been in trailers that we've already seen. That being said, GoW is doing a lot of technically impressive stuff with scale and 'camera' work that most people haven't even gotten a glimpse of. If you played Uncharted 2(arguably the most graphically impressive game of last year), you'll remember most of the breath taking moments in that game were very subtle. A loud, abrasive, explosive game...with touches of subtlety. Don't be surprised to see the same thing here.
Renegade Panda;
my copy looks far better than the E3 demo, as I assume this is all you have to fairly compare it to.
In my opinion, it tops all other "graphic whore" games out there. Not just the graphics, but the details, the amount of things happening at once in extreme complexity, fantastic animations and backgrounds...
I can't gush enough. I am a GoW fanboy, though. Take it as you will.
my copy looks far better than the E3 demo, as I assume this is all you have to fairly compare it to.
In my opinion, it tops all other "graphic whore" games out there. Not just the graphics, but the details, the amount of things happening at once in extreme complexity, fantastic animations and backgrounds...
I can't gush enough. I am a GoW fanboy, though. Take it as you will.
See, Revariance seems to me like he's a classy bastard. Look at him elaborating!
Renagade Panda and x1251 should be more like Revariance.
Renagade Panda and x1251 should be more like Revariance.
@x1251
Stop putting words in my mouth, first off. I NEVER said anything you're saying I did, you're blowing my statement out of proportion. I'm saying they look good, but could look better. How is that a 'mindfuck' at all? Things don't have two levels of being, shit is more complex than that. Saying something is great (or whatever term) means it has to have some standard of quality above the average, which IMO, God Of War does not. You can only make a point by misinterpreting my comment, which is beyond stupid. Now shut the fuck up, if anyone here is a troll, it's you. My comment wasn't designed in the least to piss anyone off, you were the only one who even gave a shit enough to take it seriously. It's people like you that ruin this site, I'm sorry but you rank up there with Birthmark and other assholes that post for no reason other than to say something or someone sucks. Get the fuck out of here, will you?
Stop putting words in my mouth, first off. I NEVER said anything you're saying I did, you're blowing my statement out of proportion. I'm saying they look good, but could look better. How is that a 'mindfuck' at all? Things don't have two levels of being, shit is more complex than that. Saying something is great (or whatever term) means it has to have some standard of quality above the average, which IMO, God Of War does not. You can only make a point by misinterpreting my comment, which is beyond stupid. Now shut the fuck up, if anyone here is a troll, it's you. My comment wasn't designed in the least to piss anyone off, you were the only one who even gave a shit enough to take it seriously. It's people like you that ruin this site, I'm sorry but you rank up there with Birthmark and other assholes that post for no reason other than to say something or someone sucks. Get the fuck out of here, will you?
@Revariance
That being said, GoW is doing a lot of technically impressive stuff with scale and 'camera' work that most people haven't even gotten a glimpse of.
Yeah that's where I'm expecting to be impressed. Not with how the game looks but with how it handles itself technically.
It's a mother fucking God of War game on a mother fucking PS3 for Christ sakes.
That being said, GoW is doing a lot of technically impressive stuff with scale and 'camera' work that most people haven't even gotten a glimpse of.
Yeah that's where I'm expecting to be impressed. Not with how the game looks but with how it handles itself technically.
It's a mother fucking God of War game on a mother fucking PS3 for Christ sakes.
The only thing that disapoints me is the lack of dynamic shadows. This one light source for 1 shadow BS is so PS2!!!!!
It's amusing that so much anger would be evident in comments about God of War. Maybe video games really do make people more violent!
@RenegadePanda
Some things are just not worth getting stressed about. Case in point.
@RenegadePanda
Some things are just not worth getting stressed about. Case in point.
Weird that there is so much importance placed on the graphics. Frankly, I would no longer be able to tell the difference between this and double quality anyway, so the extra %50 would be lost on me.
To be blunt, graphics are no longer worth the investment. Either make them perfect, as in indistinguishable from reality, or make them pretty. But whatever they do, they shouldn't go for what video games consider realism, because right now video game characters look like plastic. Incredibly, incredibly detailed and expensive plastic that isn't human nor particularly appealing. And somehow, I doubt doubling the graphics with the God of War style would convince anyone that they are actually there though.
Please, please make a game where a golem like that looks like it actually exists before my eyes as a moving mountain rather than having the obvious give-aways of video game objects. Make a game I confuse for national geographic or history channel if the graphics are going to be upped.
To be blunt, graphics are no longer worth the investment. Either make them perfect, as in indistinguishable from reality, or make them pretty. But whatever they do, they shouldn't go for what video games consider realism, because right now video game characters look like plastic. Incredibly, incredibly detailed and expensive plastic that isn't human nor particularly appealing. And somehow, I doubt doubling the graphics with the God of War style would convince anyone that they are actually there though.
Please, please make a game where a golem like that looks like it actually exists before my eyes as a moving mountain rather than having the obvious give-aways of video game objects. Make a game I confuse for national geographic or history channel if the graphics are going to be upped.
@ T3h Kaiser
I'm aware of the term, and I would agree if I thought that was the end goal. I saw a baseball game on the PS3 that nearly scaled the other side, and that impressed me because it took me a while to realize it wasn't an actual baseball game (don't remember the name, it was a gamestop demo). And Avatar the movie also beat the uncanny valley, though admittedly, gaming tech isn't there. But right now, these developers are deliberately doing things that mean no amount of tech could beat it's way up and convince me it's real. People are not shiny. Reality doesn't define depth nearly as well as a video game. And the features of most objects are not that defined. The most graphically intense PS3 games are actually overshooting reality, which I find disappointing because I know it is possible to get much closer, I've seen it done with baseball.
No more shiny, no more detail, no more sharp distinguishing. There is too much flash in video games for me to confuse television and virtual reality, which makes the top everyone is racing towards something other than the most realistic graphics.
Maybe they just want the most expensive graphics?
I'm aware of the term, and I would agree if I thought that was the end goal. I saw a baseball game on the PS3 that nearly scaled the other side, and that impressed me because it took me a while to realize it wasn't an actual baseball game (don't remember the name, it was a gamestop demo). And Avatar the movie also beat the uncanny valley, though admittedly, gaming tech isn't there. But right now, these developers are deliberately doing things that mean no amount of tech could beat it's way up and convince me it's real. People are not shiny. Reality doesn't define depth nearly as well as a video game. And the features of most objects are not that defined. The most graphically intense PS3 games are actually overshooting reality, which I find disappointing because I know it is possible to get much closer, I've seen it done with baseball.
No more shiny, no more detail, no more sharp distinguishing. There is too much flash in video games for me to confuse television and virtual reality, which makes the top everyone is racing towards something other than the most realistic graphics.
Maybe they just want the most expensive graphics?
Avatar beat the Uncanny Valley? Funny, I was unsettled for nearly the entire film. That sex scene was just plain weird and uncomfortable.
Why the fuck are people arguing over this shit? The game looks phenomenal. I would definitely not call it "the best" but then again I've only played the demo and seen pictures and trailers, really. Surely they're hiding stuff from us, right?
Most reviews seem to be saying similar things, such as "the visuals are uneven, at times they're the best you've ever seen and at other times they're just good"
That's pretty much the impression I got from the demo, for what it's worth. You guys need to relax and just get ready for Tuesday.
Most reviews seem to be saying similar things, such as "the visuals are uneven, at times they're the best you've ever seen and at other times they're just good"
That's pretty much the impression I got from the demo, for what it's worth. You guys need to relax and just get ready for Tuesday.
@ T3h Kaiser
I agree, alien sex scenes were unnecesary and unhelpful.
I don't know how much of a difference watching the movie in 3D versus 2D is. I watched it in 3D, and it was completely impossible for me to tell where CGI began and reality ended. On second thought, you're right it didn't beat the uncanny valley. At all. The aliens looked human enough to be unsettling, but that's mostly an issue with the character rather than the technology.
What I liked about Avatar was that I could not tell reality from CGI, and I think games should emulate that graphically. But yeah, don't emulate alien love interests.
I agree, alien sex scenes were unnecesary and unhelpful.
I don't know how much of a difference watching the movie in 3D versus 2D is. I watched it in 3D, and it was completely impossible for me to tell where CGI began and reality ended. On second thought, you're right it didn't beat the uncanny valley. At all. The aliens looked human enough to be unsettling, but that's mostly an issue with the character rather than the technology.
What I liked about Avatar was that I could not tell reality from CGI, and I think games should emulate that graphically. But yeah, don't emulate alien love interests.
@ Hcapt
I agree about games looking "better" than reality. There's a crispness that unnatural about most things current gen. There's a lack of atmospheric visuals most the time. It seems like things are too "dimensional", for lack of a better term. There's a absence of visual tactility for me: grim, dust, fog, and wind. Most graphics still seem static to me. Unmoving. Unbelievable.
Off hand, some visuals that have impressed me recently, in a tactile way (if that makes any sense) are Final Fantasy XIII and Bad Company 2. I remember staring through my sniper scope in Bad Company 2 (on PC) and seeing trash blow by. It looked real to me, the way it drifted and spun through the air. Little touches like that are nice. In Final Fantasy XIII, every once in a while there's a texture I feel like I could reach out and touch. Sazh's coat in particular tends to mesmerize me. It has a look of starchiness to me that makes me feel it whenever I see it.
I think that small touches like that, more than anything else, are what game designers need to pay attention to.
I agree about games looking "better" than reality. There's a crispness that unnatural about most things current gen. There's a lack of atmospheric visuals most the time. It seems like things are too "dimensional", for lack of a better term. There's a absence of visual tactility for me: grim, dust, fog, and wind. Most graphics still seem static to me. Unmoving. Unbelievable.
Off hand, some visuals that have impressed me recently, in a tactile way (if that makes any sense) are Final Fantasy XIII and Bad Company 2. I remember staring through my sniper scope in Bad Company 2 (on PC) and seeing trash blow by. It looked real to me, the way it drifted and spun through the air. Little touches like that are nice. In Final Fantasy XIII, every once in a while there's a texture I feel like I could reach out and touch. Sazh's coat in particular tends to mesmerize me. It has a look of starchiness to me that makes me feel it whenever I see it.
I think that small touches like that, more than anything else, are what game designers need to pay attention to.
@ x1251 - The graphics may very well be the best I've ever seen. That doesn't make them a big deal anymore. Grand Turisom 5 and Final Fantasy XIII may have the best graphics ever, but the fact that I dislike turn-based JRPGs and realistic driving sims means that unless they bring something new to the formula, I will still not like those games, nor will I be any more likely to buy them. The graphics simply are not a big deal on their own.
They look kinda gamey if you ask me. Shiny, detailed, but mostly just improvements over old styles rather than a great leap into realism.
@ RenegadePanda - Responding angrily only makes you seem unintelligent.
@ Griven - I LOVE when there's a texture with that "reach out and touch" feel. If there's enough of those in Versus XIII, I might have to buy myself a Playstation 3.
They look kinda gamey if you ask me. Shiny, detailed, but mostly just improvements over old styles rather than a great leap into realism.
@ RenegadePanda - Responding angrily only makes you seem unintelligent.
@ Griven - I LOVE when there's a texture with that "reach out and touch" feel. If there's enough of those in Versus XIII, I might have to buy myself a Playstation 3.
As long as we're all talking about graphics, I've just gotta say the specular looks shit in everything I've seen of this game. Things are shiny that shouldn't be just to show off the details. Otherwise, it's completely gorgeous.
[i]RenagadePanda
@x1251
If a Pinto were the most reliable car on the market, would it be the best car just because you had nothing to compare it to?[/i]
Perfectly good comparison here... oh, what's this?
[i]x1251
If the Pinto is the only care on the market, that would mean IT IS THE BEST, Because obviously there are no other cars that fucking work, you retard.[/i]
Ummm... http://www.thereisnothingtosaytothis.com
To be honest, I never looked up exactly what troll meant until just now and sir, you fit the bill. I think it's about time to close up shop...
But wait, what's this? Doth my eyes deceive me?
[i]x1251
@Rentagay Panda
You're not a very bright person, so don't front like you are. The Pinto metaphor made this abundantly clear to everyone reading.[/i]
a•bun•dant [uh-buhn-duhnt]
–adjective
1.present in great quantity; more than adequate; over sufficient: an abundant supply of information.
2.well supplied; abounding: a brain abundant in knowledge.
3.richly supplied: an abundant thread.
Case Closed
Still, anyone who has not played the final game cannot say a damn thing about the graphics until they have seen it with their own eyes, playing it at its optimal settings. You can't trust pictures let alone video quality on the internet or your computer. Your monitor is not your TV (except in rare cases) and the graphics card is not a PS3. Even the GoW pictures that you can download off of the PSN do not compare to the game in motion.
I say don’t judge things until you’ve tried them (Unless they’re people, that’s a different story).
@x1251
If a Pinto were the most reliable car on the market, would it be the best car just because you had nothing to compare it to?[/i]
Perfectly good comparison here... oh, what's this?
[i]x1251
If the Pinto is the only care on the market, that would mean IT IS THE BEST, Because obviously there are no other cars that fucking work, you retard.[/i]
Ummm... http://www.thereisnothingtosaytothis.com
To be honest, I never looked up exactly what troll meant until just now and sir, you fit the bill. I think it's about time to close up shop...
But wait, what's this? Doth my eyes deceive me?
[i]x1251
@Rentagay Panda
You're not a very bright person, so don't front like you are. The Pinto metaphor made this abundantly clear to everyone reading.[/i]
a•bun•dant [uh-buhn-duhnt]
–adjective
1.present in great quantity; more than adequate; over sufficient: an abundant supply of information.
2.well supplied; abounding: a brain abundant in knowledge.
3.richly supplied: an abundant thread.
Case Closed
Still, anyone who has not played the final game cannot say a damn thing about the graphics until they have seen it with their own eyes, playing it at its optimal settings. You can't trust pictures let alone video quality on the internet or your computer. Your monitor is not your TV (except in rare cases) and the graphics card is not a PS3. Even the GoW pictures that you can download off of the PSN do not compare to the game in motion.
I say don’t judge things until you’ve tried them (Unless they’re people, that’s a different story).
OK, so they're not "Godlike" graphics, but they're probably the best we've seen on this generation of consoles, probably on par, if not slightly better than Uncharted 2.
... but they do only go 50-60% of the way they can with the engine, the engine that's only possible on PS3.
Your butthurt is showing Panda. ; )
I have to agree with someone above, Bad Company 2 looks fantastic, it's not that textures and animations are flawless, it's when you can see the sunlight coming through the trees, or the trash blowing around, or the dust from a near by explosion.
it just feels real, despite not being teh bestest grafix in teh wurld!
... but they do only go 50-60% of the way they can with the engine, the engine that's only possible on PS3.
Your butthurt is showing Panda. ; )
I have to agree with someone above, Bad Company 2 looks fantastic, it's not that textures and animations are flawless, it's when you can see the sunlight coming through the trees, or the trash blowing around, or the dust from a near by explosion.
it just feels real, despite not being teh bestest grafix in teh wurld!
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