Microsoft invited myself and my sexy German counterpart, (and BritToid member) Daniel Carneiro to their PR Play Day at the 2010 gamescon. We saw ourselves spending some time in an isolated German warehouse with many gaming enthusiast who sweat profusely when faced with anything from mild to moderate cardio based activity.
Microsoft allowed me to play Kinect (without the likes of Ben Perlee hogging the stage) with many of the biggest titles including Kinectimals, Dance Central and Your Shape. Enjoy as I take that bullet of embarrassment to show you just how cool you can look too.
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And you didn't look like an "utter pratt"! Haha -- I enjoyed your demonstration! Also, your hair looks fabulous. ;-D
Saying Move is better than Kinect is like saying shit is better than diarrhea, not to mention that nobody has really seen anything worthwhile from either peripheral, except for SOCOM 4, which will probably control better with a Dualshock anyways.
Neither.
That's 5 hates bro. Count em.
Probably because they're too busy enjoying Peggle or Bejewled of Just Dance or something.
yet there is pretty much no point in any media giving their impressions of what they played, as gamers dont listen and will continue with cus Kinect doesn't work like it should
Anyyyyway, awesome video I'm still not impressed with kinect yet but dance central does look cool
Move will be a better device than Kinect for playing hardcore games. The only problem is that there exists a far better way to play hardcore games on the PS3: the mystical, magical Dualshock 3.
On the other hand Kinect as an interfacing device could actually work; it could have at least an iota of redeemable function. That said, the extent of usefulness of these operations hardly qualifies the pricepoint. The open-ended nature of implementation could potentially produce interesting results, but if the Wii and (to a lesser) the DS are any indication, developers will most likely take the path of least resistance.
If you buy either, you are a sucker.
the problem that many gamers cant seem to grasp is that Move & Kinect just may not be for them. It doesnt have to be for them. All anyone has to do is continue using the dual stick controllers and thusly these new devices have no effect on their gaming.
If i buy either, it would be for the kids. They seem to love this kind of gaming. Yet i guess that makes me a sucker?
Yes.
Neither technology has come close to proving itself yet; you don't know what kind of support Kinect and Move will have in a year. Not only that, there is an already-proven, better (and almost as cheap, in Kinect's case) technology for "this kind of gaming," and its called the Wii.
The Move has very few casual games that even appear to be decent. While Kinect looks slightly better, you are going to have to drop a lot more cash (and have a LOT more room) to use it.
It might be a year or 6th months until anybody can reasonably tell how viable these devices actually are, even for decent casual use.
If you are talking to me:
Dumbass is one word, dumbass.
I didn't mean to say Kinect was better, but had slightly better looking casual games. I was unclear on this.
You are right, Wii isn't like Kinect. Nobody ever said it was.
Yep, Kinect is pretty much a ripoff of the EyeToy, and the EyeToy is pretty much a ripoff of the Dreameye. That said, there is functionality in Kinect that isn't in the EyeToy, just as the EyeToy has functionality that the Dreamey didn't.
Consumers are skeptical. They don't jump on products for no reason.
The Kinect and Move only appeal to those who spend large amounts of money on videogames or have bought into the PR/marketing kool-aid. Neither company has given a good reason for buying either, and not many developers have jumped on to these products.
Sane consumers ARE going to wait and see, if they don't have a definitive reason to pick the peripherals up, which is all the more reason for you to do the same.
Who are you talking to? Why are you talking about LittleBigPlanet? How is this relevant to the post or discussion?
Skepticism will do you well when you're looking to purchase games. But you can't be overly skeptical when it comes to gaming peripherals and consoles. Kinect and move are both capable technologies and could support great games both casual and hardcore. But the greatest of their capabilities wont be reached until the latter of their life cycle, assuming of course that they do well. But this may never be seen if they don't sell well. Look at the DS. Everyone was extremely skeptical and it is now set to become the best selling gaming system of all time. The same with the Wii. People are skeptical of innovation. And that is completely understandable because so many peripherals fail. But did they fail because they weren't very good or because of not enough sales and support due to people being overly skeptical? Also move and kinect are much more impressive than any other previous failed peripherals.
Skepticism will do you well when you're looking to purchase games. But you can't be overly skeptical when it comes to gaming peripherals and consoles. Kinect and move are both capable technologies and could support great games both casual and hardcore. But the greatest of their capabilities wont be reached until the latter of their life cycle, assuming of course that they do well. But this may never be seen if they don't sell well. Look at the DS. Everyone was extremely skeptical and it is now set to become the best selling gaming system of all time. The same with the Wii. People are skeptical of innovation. And that is completely understandable because so many peripherals fail. But did they fail because they weren't very good or because of not enough sales and support due to people being overly skeptical? Also move and kinect are much more impressive than any other previous failed peripherals.
"hurp durp, they're both shit lawl"
Seriously?
Kinect (Not Natal by the way, Natal actually looked quite good and had some really cool features which Kinect doesn't) has...
Dance Dance Central or whatever
Kinectimals
That river boat jumping bullshit
Forza - special (needs) edition with auto-accelerate/brake for your buttonless steering fun?? WTF?
And some fitness games.
Move will support...
Sports Champions
The Fight
Sorcery
Heavy Rain
Socom 4
Killzone 3
MAG - WHOOOOOOO! OMGOMGOMGOMG.
Gran Turismo
RUSE
The Dance one
The fitness one
A couple more OK looking casual games for teh kids
Virtua Tennis
"Neither company has given us any reason to buy either" - WTF? There are at least 7 good reasons to buy Move right there and I'm sure I've missed plenty.
Not to mention the Minority report style tech demo for Move which shows some seriously awesome potential.
All the light gun style games that will come, all the RTS games which will take advantage of the whole move being a 3D mouse thing (like RUSE) It's going to be fucking EPIC.
Move completely owns, rapes, impregnates, then retroactively aborts the gimped Natal unit they call Kinect.
phantom had it bang on all along.
You obviously have great experience with the hardware of both systems by the way you speak so solidly about how the ps3 overpowers the 360... or you could just be another fanboy of Sony's. The comments you made about the overwhelming power of the ps3 over the 360 are a complete farce. With something as simple as a Google search and 15 of spare time you Could learn the actual differences between the two systems and see that they are actually not much different. I suggest you research this so as not to look like a fool again. And you are right that ps3 exclusives are exclusives for a reason.. that's because Sony publishes the majority of them. Same for the 360. And LBP could very easily be played on the 360 with no downgrading the game what so ever. LBP is in no way pushing the limits of the PS3 and would be the same for the 360. Although it would be easier to program it for the 360 due to it having a single CPU with 3 cores instead of the ps3 single core ppe processor and 7 spe processors.
You obviously have great experience with the hardware of both systems by the way you speak so solidly about how the ps3 overpowers the 360... or you could just be another fanboy of Sony's. The comments you made about the overwhelming power of the ps3 over the 360 are a complete farce. With something as simple as a Google search and 15 of spare time you Could learn the actual differences between the two systems and see that they are actually not much different. I suggest you research this so as not to look like a fool again. And you are right that ps3 exclusives are exclusives for a reason.. that's because Sony publishes the majority of them. Same for the 360. And LBP could very easily be played on the 360 with no downgrading the game what so ever. LBP is in no way pushing the limits of the PS3 and would be the same for the 360. Although it would be easier to program it for the 360 due to it having a single CPU with 3 cores instead of the ps3 single core ppe processor and 7 spe processors.
@sexual chocolate natal and kinect are exactly the same device. Natal was the project code name and it was later named kinect.
There is absolutely no difference between "Natal" and "Kinect".
"Move completely owns, rapes, impregnates, then retroactively aborts the gimped Natal unit they call Kinect. "
Well other then proving you don't know what the word "retroactive" means, this is definitely the dumbest thing I'm sure to hear all day.
From Patriot Snake,
"a fanboy of Sony is a fanboy of gaming."
Oops, spoke too soon. THAT is the dumbest thing I will hear all day.
Natal can track 6 PLAYERS, see sign language, runs at a high resolution, reads lips, recognises faces and gives out blowjobs. Probably costs $500+. (guess)
Kinect can track 2 players, no sign language due to low resolution, nothing yet shown of hand gestures (not arm swinging) or facial recognition, and no blowjobs. costs $150.
Natal is apparent "perfect" for immersing you in CORE GAMES - something we're yet to see from Kinect.
There is no difference, no, no difference at all, apart from the glaring reduction in quality, ability and price.
Chalk Runtheplacered up on the "fooled by the crafty name switch" board.
Also, The dictionary says retroactive means: "If a decision or action is retroactive, it is intended to take effect from a date in the past." As in Move goes back to the past (Using Kevin Butler's time travel skillz) and retroactively performs the action of abortion Kinect.
Ball's in your court my friend.
Where do you get your information at? Project natal is nothing more than the original code name for kinect. While some features that were displayed while it was named 'natal' have been changed, updated, or still have yet to be shown again due to them showing off other new software, they are the same device. Please do your research before you claim to know something.
The technology has already been proven and successful in another entertainment field. That's Film. have you ever seen District 9? How about Avatar? While watching District 9's deleted scenes, they show us men wearing strange silver suits. The suits have small light balls on them. These are used to track the actors movement, and allows for a computer to track it one to one for motion capture. This is also used in some high budget games, like Resident Evil 5.
This is almost the exact same technology that is being implemented into the Move. This is why it requires an "eye" and the funny wand with a lightball at the end. It will give you the best and most accurate (that technology will allow) one to one control you can have today. Kinect is using the basic idea of a green screen. I've heard reviewers complain that Kinect doesn't work... I've also heard people say that it doesn't work well if you're wearing black. The final "rumor" (I say rumor because I have no basis for reference on the Kinect.) is that you can't play sitting down? I've never seen this technology used other than say the camera for the dreamcast or the PSEye. I suppose you could say that it's sort of like a green screen... But I can see why gamers (especially old school/hardcore ones) are skeptical. I'm not skeptical about the move... I'm not buying it at day one, that's for sure. I have a Wii, and the motion controls while fun, I found to be a bit strange. I disliked the wire between the two devices... and I really disliked needing the wiimote to use a classic controller. Yeah there's non licensed hardware that eliminates that, but come on, Nintendo... You CAN MAKE A WIRELESS CLASSIC CONTROLLER. well, I've gone off on a rant...
The move's technology is already being used in hollywood and game production.. I believe it's even being used in animation. That technology is proven, and has been used to bring us many entertaining movies... some of which are animated.
Does anyone know of where Kinect has been used and proven as a reliable and usable technology other than what MS is doing with it? Another thing... How do they expect us to buy ANOTHER Xbox to use this thing? I think that's a shitty move on their part. make us buy another unit so we can play a small amount of games. Price is something I personally look at.. and if I budget right, I can get an eye for cheap now, and then get a move wand and navi later... I don't like the idea having to buy a whole new system for ONE PERIPHERAL. That's just from a consumer standpoint... I might be wrong.. will this work with my xbox 360 arcade? Something tells me "No".
I don't know. I've not used it. But in doing research, I can tell that one is a technology that has already been used for years, the other is basically new... That is if you don't remember the PSEye and the dreamcast camera....
Project Natal has some awesome tech and some awesome features, features which didn't seem to make it into the kinect product (Sign language, high resolution capture, lip reading, 6 players etc etc etc)
I understand that Natal is the project name and kinect the product, but to say that there are no differences between the two is, well, just contradictory.
I was intrigued by the features of Natal, but i'm extremely disappointed by what's been shown and confirmed as NOT INCLUDED in the kinect product.
kinect is too low res to see sign language, as confirmed by an MS spokesperson. that alone destroys all credibility of it being anywhere near as good as the tech shown as "project Natal".
However they released more information on "project Natal" than they should have and used that hype train to push their cheaper (not that cheap) and less able product "kinect" - the old switcheroo.
I'm not surprised how many of you they fooled.
Some people have hard times comprehending what they are reading.
They say Natal can see and understand sign language, facial recognition, etc etc, then they say KINECT doesn't capture at high enough resolution to see sign language. If NATAL can track finger movements, I can't see how KINECT will be able to if it's too low resolution to see sign language. Sure if it's a software issue with sign language that's fair enough, but they clearly said it's because it's not high enough resolution.
See all the Natal information on facial recognition, hand signals, sign language, etc etc.
...and see this article where they say retail kinect is too low resolution to see sign language..
http://www.destructoid.com/no-the-kinect-coming-to-retail-can-t-read-sign-language-181152.phtml
Do I really need to link to articles saying about how NATAL can track 6 or it could be 4, players, but KINECT can only track 2 actively playing players? I'm sure you can find those yourself.
Hell this thing is out in 2 months, and there hasn't been a single game using anything more precise that arm waving, steering or leg kicking shown.