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I'm genuinely curious what the issues here are. Not hating or anything, but some people are saying that there aren't gay characters that the gay audience can relate to, or that the subject of homosexuality is not represented enough in games.
What's the issue though? You can't really demand visibility from the creators of these games, wouldn't that be like, complaining to Stephen King that he doesn't write enough gay characters into his novels?
The PEOPLE who make these games, if they're not interested in the subject matter, why are they responsible for making any social commentary or whatever? Wouldn't it be a better idea for all this cash to go towards funding a game/studio who has the capability of putting out a game to handle the subject matter instead of demanding that the industry starts taking responsibility for something other than getting money (because it's a business) or entertaining people?
I mean, Dumbledore was a homosexual but JK Rowling never went ahead and defined him by it or anything. Which is cool, because we all know now that he was gay, but we know him as a person. Not a label??
What's the issue though? You can't really demand visibility from the creators of these games, wouldn't that be like, complaining to Stephen King that he doesn't write enough gay characters into his novels?
The PEOPLE who make these games, if they're not interested in the subject matter, why are they responsible for making any social commentary or whatever? Wouldn't it be a better idea for all this cash to go towards funding a game/studio who has the capability of putting out a game to handle the subject matter instead of demanding that the industry starts taking responsibility for something other than getting money (because it's a business) or entertaining people?
I mean, Dumbledore was a homosexual but JK Rowling never went ahead and defined him by it or anything. Which is cool, because we all know now that he was gay, but we know him as a person. Not a label??
@kennydee
I don't think anyone is demanding anything specific from developers. I mean, I'm sure someone out there is, but as far as this convention goes it would seem its more about bringing an awareness that there is an audience that would like to be better represented. I understand the concept of being a person before being a label. I really do appreciate when someones character comes before their sexuality(like you mentioned), but there is an atmosphere of homophobia out in todays society would you not agree? and being silent on that matter is not going to make it go away. At least thats my opinion, and we can agree to disagree on that final note.
I don't think anyone is demanding anything specific from developers. I mean, I'm sure someone out there is, but as far as this convention goes it would seem its more about bringing an awareness that there is an audience that would like to be better represented. I understand the concept of being a person before being a label. I really do appreciate when someones character comes before their sexuality(like you mentioned), but there is an atmosphere of homophobia out in todays society would you not agree? and being silent on that matter is not going to make it go away. At least thats my opinion, and we can agree to disagree on that final note.
I like how there have been at least three posts on this, and maybe one (I think?) about the Oculus Rift.
You know, because conventions for gay people are more important than advancing video game technology.
Also, is there such a thing as "LGBT culture"? Is it about talking in slurs, dressing like the other gender and having orgies? I can't imagine how it could be distinct in any way. It sounds like a buzzword. Please enlighten me.
And be aware that calling it pointless isn't "homophobia", and that calling people names because you disagree with them makes you a much bigger bigot than them.
You know, because conventions for gay people are more important than advancing video game technology.
Also, is there such a thing as "LGBT culture"? Is it about talking in slurs, dressing like the other gender and having orgies? I can't imagine how it could be distinct in any way. It sounds like a buzzword. Please enlighten me.
And be aware that calling it pointless isn't "homophobia", and that calling people names because you disagree with them makes you a much bigger bigot than them.
Also, someone said LGBTs need visibility, but that's ridiculous. Gay rights are one of today's major issues and everybody is conscious of this. There are far more obscure groups of people who "need visibility".
Anyway, no one has told me what exactly would distinguish this convention from any other one. So as far as I'm concerned, this is still pointless.
@bigstinker
The fact is that LGBT people are not seen as equals, even by law. So to say that this really isn't an issue, is to ignore the zeitgeist of the United States.
The fact is that LGBT people are not seen as equals, even by law. So to say that this really isn't an issue, is to ignore the zeitgeist of the United States.
If you don't care, please slink away and try not to be such irredeemable asshats, please.
Let people enjoy doing things and stop going on a soapbox being a counter discussion troll.
For me, I don't even care about any conventions on a personal level (mingling with thousands in an enclosed space never was pleasant for me) but I am glad for those who do care and think it is an important event.
Let people enjoy doing things and stop going on a soapbox being a counter discussion troll.
For me, I don't even care about any conventions on a personal level (mingling with thousands in an enclosed space never was pleasant for me) but I am glad for those who do care and think it is an important event.
I think this is great. Some folks thought "there's a lot of conventions out there, but the one I really want to attend doesn't exist yet, let's see if we can organize that one" and now that convention is happening.
The whole "what you think about gay people" can-of-worms doesn't really have anything to do with this. People wanted to organize an event, because they thought it would be a positive thing, and they're organizing it. The event is legal, nobody will get hurt, and everybody is welcome. This is a good thing whether it's a "gay gamer convention" or a "hispanic pastry chef convention" or anything else really.
The whole "what you think about gay people" can-of-worms doesn't really have anything to do with this. People wanted to organize an event, because they thought it would be a positive thing, and they're organizing it. The event is legal, nobody will get hurt, and everybody is welcome. This is a good thing whether it's a "gay gamer convention" or a "hispanic pastry chef convention" or anything else really.
awesome, im glad for them. im not gay, but i totally support the idea of this.
anyone who doesnt understand the importance of this should just really try and understand how hard it is to not be accepted, and then have something you can go to and feel completely accepted. its like comic conventions, you can go and feel completely ok to dress up and act like a superhero all day and people arent gonna care. its similar in a way that you dont have to hide your feelings for fear of being rejected or scorned.
also, its been said numerous times, but if it really bugs you, then just dont go. your life will continue on in present fashion...it just wont be fabulous fashion.
anyone who doesnt understand the importance of this should just really try and understand how hard it is to not be accepted, and then have something you can go to and feel completely accepted. its like comic conventions, you can go and feel completely ok to dress up and act like a superhero all day and people arent gonna care. its similar in a way that you dont have to hide your feelings for fear of being rejected or scorned.
also, its been said numerous times, but if it really bugs you, then just dont go. your life will continue on in present fashion...it just wont be fabulous fashion.
To the people who say this is pointless, a convention is more than just the games or movies or comics, it's also about the people. At least that's how I feel about it, and I feel like I'd be in a much more accepting group of people at GaymerCon.
@Tabarnaco
A convention that caters and markets, not to the heterosexual white male like most game conventions, but to other people with different social/sexual tendencies.
If gaming and gamers (as a whole) would just accept the LGBT folk, HELL if we could just accept women who play games without reverting to tired sexist memes, then a convention like this wouldn't be necessary.
The stereotypical gamer (average person you run across in a multiplayer game) tends to throw out racist, sexist, or homophobic slurs regularly and with ease. This is easily ignored by some people, but not by all especially if it caries over into their real lives.
We have shops, websites and even other conventions that cater people of specific races, religions, sexual preference, or background, why not one for people who share a hobby, but don't quite feel welcome/comfortable (yet) in standard gaming culture? Hell, as a heterosexual white male myself, I'd be interested in going just to see the industry from a different angle.
The second people stop complaining about there being a gay gamer convention, that's the point it will no longer be necessary.
A convention that caters and markets, not to the heterosexual white male like most game conventions, but to other people with different social/sexual tendencies.
If gaming and gamers (as a whole) would just accept the LGBT folk, HELL if we could just accept women who play games without reverting to tired sexist memes, then a convention like this wouldn't be necessary.
The stereotypical gamer (average person you run across in a multiplayer game) tends to throw out racist, sexist, or homophobic slurs regularly and with ease. This is easily ignored by some people, but not by all especially if it caries over into their real lives.
We have shops, websites and even other conventions that cater people of specific races, religions, sexual preference, or background, why not one for people who share a hobby, but don't quite feel welcome/comfortable (yet) in standard gaming culture? Hell, as a heterosexual white male myself, I'd be interested in going just to see the industry from a different angle.
The second people stop complaining about there being a gay gamer convention, that's the point it will no longer be necessary.
@mascot1063
Everybody who is willing to behave appropriately and show respect to the others in attendance is welcome to attend, whether they be gay, straight, something in between, or something else entirely.
Everybody who is willing to behave appropriately and show respect to the others in attendance is welcome to attend, whether they be gay, straight, something in between, or something else entirely.
@bigstinker
Exactly, LGBT culture has nothing to do with gaming compared to video game culture and it's intrinsic hetero-normative status. That is why this convention is being kickstarted.
You know, you have this amazing ability of counterpointing your own argument.
Exactly, LGBT culture has nothing to do with gaming compared to video game culture and it's intrinsic hetero-normative status. That is why this convention is being kickstarted.
You know, you have this amazing ability of counterpointing your own argument.
"understand how hard it is to not be accepted, and then have something you can go to and feel completely accepted. its like comic conventions, you can go and feel completely ok to dress up and act like a superhero all day and people arent gonna care."
This is another thing I don't get. You're comparing people turning up somewhere to play dress up and feel fine doing so to homosexuality? Again, I thought it was just a sexual preference? By what you're saying, it's as if people are going to turn up and display that sexual preference. Is that really necessary for gay OR straight people?
"its similar in a way that you dont have to hide your feelings for fear of being rejected or scorned."
Feelings for what? Sexual desire? I think anyone who is overly open about that in public gets funny looks, don't they? A straight guy walking into a room raving about his hetero sexuality isn't going to be hailed a king. Maybe around dude bros, but I don't want to be accepted by those kinds of people?
"The stereotypical gamer..."
If you're looking to make this convention to be a good thing, you might want to stop there, buddy. You're pro-homosexuality and therefore against stereotyping homosexuals which is a big issue here, yet now you're bringing up the stereotype of a gamer? Stereotypes are stereotypes bro, you're either against them all or against none. Full stop.
"but don't quite feel welcome/comfortable (yet) in standard gaming culture?"
Another thing is all this "culture" stuff turning up in every aspect of life. Religious culture, LGBT culture, gaming culture/communities. Society is a good place to fit into, so I understand that, but gaming culture? Fuck that, who wants to fit in, does it even exist properly? Is it just some bullshit people are trying to see as a thing and give relevance?
It's not fucking "gamers" (whatever the shit that means) that are not willing to accept gay people. It's fucking ignorant people. They just happen to play games. They do a lot of shit. Stop labelling them as "gamers" because they exist outside of this stupid "gaming" culture. The awareness needs to be taken to the schools, to the parents who are supposed to instill in their children empathy and acceptance.
Not "gamers".
This is another thing I don't get. You're comparing people turning up somewhere to play dress up and feel fine doing so to homosexuality? Again, I thought it was just a sexual preference? By what you're saying, it's as if people are going to turn up and display that sexual preference. Is that really necessary for gay OR straight people?
"its similar in a way that you dont have to hide your feelings for fear of being rejected or scorned."
Feelings for what? Sexual desire? I think anyone who is overly open about that in public gets funny looks, don't they? A straight guy walking into a room raving about his hetero sexuality isn't going to be hailed a king. Maybe around dude bros, but I don't want to be accepted by those kinds of people?
"The stereotypical gamer..."
If you're looking to make this convention to be a good thing, you might want to stop there, buddy. You're pro-homosexuality and therefore against stereotyping homosexuals which is a big issue here, yet now you're bringing up the stereotype of a gamer? Stereotypes are stereotypes bro, you're either against them all or against none. Full stop.
"but don't quite feel welcome/comfortable (yet) in standard gaming culture?"
Another thing is all this "culture" stuff turning up in every aspect of life. Religious culture, LGBT culture, gaming culture/communities. Society is a good place to fit into, so I understand that, but gaming culture? Fuck that, who wants to fit in, does it even exist properly? Is it just some bullshit people are trying to see as a thing and give relevance?
It's not fucking "gamers" (whatever the shit that means) that are not willing to accept gay people. It's fucking ignorant people. They just happen to play games. They do a lot of shit. Stop labelling them as "gamers" because they exist outside of this stupid "gaming" culture. The awareness needs to be taken to the schools, to the parents who are supposed to instill in their children empathy and acceptance.
Not "gamers".
I don't support the idea of 'gaymercon' for the same reason that there is no 'straightmercon'.
I've got no problem with people's sexuality, but i've got a problem with it being broadcast.
I've got no problem with people's sexuality, but i've got a problem with it being broadcast.
@tremault
"I've got no problem with people's sexuality, but i've got a problem with it being broadcast."
I agree, sexual preference is something you keep to yourself, it's personal and not something you should wear on your shirt so it defines you. Yet just as it shouldn't be broadcast, others are more than happy to broadcast their hate against it.
At that point I'd say haters gonna hate, but you know...
"I've got no problem with people's sexuality, but i've got a problem with it being broadcast."
I agree, sexual preference is something you keep to yourself, it's personal and not something you should wear on your shirt so it defines you. Yet just as it shouldn't be broadcast, others are more than happy to broadcast their hate against it.
At that point I'd say haters gonna hate, but you know...
@tremault
If you want to organize "straightmercon" and invite everybody (even people who are not straight), you are more than welcome to do so. Most people would find this redundant, however.
If you want to organize "straightmercon" and invite everybody (even people who are not straight), you are more than welcome to do so. Most people would find this redundant, however.
As someone who is gay, I still don't see the point in this. However, since I'm a hypocritical douchebag and San Fransisco is within driving distance from my house, I may just go to this as my first con.
BUT GAIS, JESUS SAID DAT BUTSEX IS BAD!!!!!
The reason we need shit like this is because gay people do not have the same rights as straights in the U.S.. The reason there is no Asiancon is because Asians have the same (LEGAL, don't go off on some bullshit tirade about how they're treated differently. I'm speaking from a legal perspective ONLY) rights as everybody else.
Anyway, this Gaymercon is not excluding straight people, it's just a convention that targets gay people instead of straights. You can still go whether your Bi, Gay, Straight, Trans, Asex, or whatever.
And it's not pointless, as if they got their funding, there are obviously a considerable amount of people who want something like this.
The reason we need shit like this is because gay people do not have the same rights as straights in the U.S.. The reason there is no Asiancon is because Asians have the same (LEGAL, don't go off on some bullshit tirade about how they're treated differently. I'm speaking from a legal perspective ONLY) rights as everybody else.
Anyway, this Gaymercon is not excluding straight people, it's just a convention that targets gay people instead of straights. You can still go whether your Bi, Gay, Straight, Trans, Asex, or whatever.
And it's not pointless, as if they got their funding, there are obviously a considerable amount of people who want something like this.
"The reason we need shit like this is because gay people do not have the same rights as straights in the US"
I'm pretty sure some rinky-dink gaming con isn't going to give me the right to marry a dude or get sexuality included as a protected class. I really don't see the point in this besides being an outlet to hook up with some gamer nerds or something.
And good lord, for the people wanting gay culture in gaming culture, have you ever been to a gay bar?
I'm pretty sure some rinky-dink gaming con isn't going to give me the right to marry a dude or get sexuality included as a protected class. I really don't see the point in this besides being an outlet to hook up with some gamer nerds or something.
And good lord, for the people wanting gay culture in gaming culture, have you ever been to a gay bar?
Jesus christ, I never would have expected this Kickstarter project to generate all this negativity. At least not on a site like Destructoid. I guess I really shouldn't be so surprised though, considering LGBT issues are still rather hot button.
Anyway, I plan on going to this convention which is apparently "pointless" and I am going to have a hell of a time :)
Anyway, I plan on going to this convention which is apparently "pointless" and I am going to have a hell of a time :)
Why Gaymercon is a good idea:
1. Multiple 18+ late night panels devoted to risque topics (fanfics/drawings/etc)
2. Booth studs as opposed to booth babes
3. A place where like minded people can get together and discuss mutual interests without fear of walking on eggshells. You never know who is an undercover homophobe, and not every straight man wants to talk about gay sex or how hot some actor is. Straight people are allowed though, so come one come all!
4. Musical theater production in lieu of rave
1. Multiple 18+ late night panels devoted to risque topics (fanfics/drawings/etc)
2. Booth studs as opposed to booth babes
3. A place where like minded people can get together and discuss mutual interests without fear of walking on eggshells. You never know who is an undercover homophobe, and not every straight man wants to talk about gay sex or how hot some actor is. Straight people are allowed though, so come one come all!
4. Musical theater production in lieu of rave
@bigstinker
Exactly, LGBT culture has nothing to do with gaming compared to video game culture and it's intrinsic hetero-normative status. That is why this convention is being kickstarted.
You know, you have this amazing ability of counterpointing your own argument.
Exactly, LGBT culture has nothing to do with gaming compared to video game culture and it's intrinsic hetero-normative status. That is why this convention is being kickstarted.
You know, you have this amazing ability of counterpointing your own argument.
Kennydee, not all fans are that zealous nor are exclusionary and elitist. Note how criticisms like yours only accentuate the negatives so it fits the way you want it.
The convention is not a requirement nor some indictment on the nature of gamers.
The convention is not a requirement nor some indictment on the nature of gamers.
@Shoop
People definitely do at least consider the content in the media they consume. Having some recognition and acceptance of homosexuality in gaming would hopefully bring about a little more acceptance of the LGBTQ community as a whole. This Gaymer convention is about exposing that there is a considerable community of homosexuals in gaming.
And that last comment didn't make any sense. They don't want gay culture to be gaming culture, they want acceptance by the culture. They're almost always stuck in straight, white male bodies, for you, it'd be like if every video game had you play as a woman. I wouldn't mind the choice to play as a gay guy in video games, because it's a choice.
People definitely do at least consider the content in the media they consume. Having some recognition and acceptance of homosexuality in gaming would hopefully bring about a little more acceptance of the LGBTQ community as a whole. This Gaymer convention is about exposing that there is a considerable community of homosexuals in gaming.
And that last comment didn't make any sense. They don't want gay culture to be gaming culture, they want acceptance by the culture. They're almost always stuck in straight, white male bodies, for you, it'd be like if every video game had you play as a woman. I wouldn't mind the choice to play as a gay guy in video games, because it's a choice.
I posted this in this pastweekends recaps and ill post it again:
I will say this: RESPECT EACH OTHER. Quit pushing your views on others, quit acting like, because life is easy and simple for you, it should be that way for everyone and quit being assholes. Your views on things are just that, YOUR VIEWS. Not everyone has to share them and that's ok. Just because bad shit doesn't happen around you, doesn't mean bad shit doesn't fucking happen (constantly) in other parts of the world. Think outside your boxes, put yourself in other's shoes and pull your head out your asses and realize the world doesn't revolve around you and it's not the same everywhere.
I will say this: RESPECT EACH OTHER. Quit pushing your views on others, quit acting like, because life is easy and simple for you, it should be that way for everyone and quit being assholes. Your views on things are just that, YOUR VIEWS. Not everyone has to share them and that's ok. Just because bad shit doesn't happen around you, doesn't mean bad shit doesn't fucking happen (constantly) in other parts of the world. Think outside your boxes, put yourself in other's shoes and pull your head out your asses and realize the world doesn't revolve around you and it's not the same everywhere.
Good lord, I was going to decline to comment in this little clusterfuck but a particular gem stood out to me:
"I've got no problem with people's sexuality, but i've got a problem with it being broadcast."
All right, sounds fair. Make sure you scrub Facebook and other social networking sites of any references to kids or your girlfriend, though. And definitely don't make any comments about people of the opposite gender you find attractive.
Sound restrictive? That's because it is. It's a ban on discussing extremely basic parts of human existence, which *gasp* are linked directly to your sexuality. And, to induce a second gasp, these are topics that society normally has zero problem with discussing or broadcasting.
This talking point of "I don't care just keep it to yourself" completely lacks self-awareness. The people that make it fail to realize that they only have a problem with the broadcast of sexuality when it's a particular kind of sexuality (theirs).
So, just so we're clear: if you object to this con on the grounds that sexuality shouldn't be broadcast, that's fine. But in order to be taken seriously, you need to go on to object to Lollipop Chainsaw and Bayonetta, boycott Valentine's Day, picket strip clubs and nightclubs, and call for the abolition of romantic comedies (or romantic themes in media in general).
After all, sexuality shouldn't be broadcast.
"I've got no problem with people's sexuality, but i've got a problem with it being broadcast."
All right, sounds fair. Make sure you scrub Facebook and other social networking sites of any references to kids or your girlfriend, though. And definitely don't make any comments about people of the opposite gender you find attractive.
Sound restrictive? That's because it is. It's a ban on discussing extremely basic parts of human existence, which *gasp* are linked directly to your sexuality. And, to induce a second gasp, these are topics that society normally has zero problem with discussing or broadcasting.
This talking point of "I don't care just keep it to yourself" completely lacks self-awareness. The people that make it fail to realize that they only have a problem with the broadcast of sexuality when it's a particular kind of sexuality (theirs).
So, just so we're clear: if you object to this con on the grounds that sexuality shouldn't be broadcast, that's fine. But in order to be taken seriously, you need to go on to object to Lollipop Chainsaw and Bayonetta, boycott Valentine's Day, picket strip clubs and nightclubs, and call for the abolition of romantic comedies (or romantic themes in media in general).
After all, sexuality shouldn't be broadcast.
@my wall o'text: whoops, slight amendment: that should read "when it's a particular kind of sexuality (not theirs)."
@bigstinker2000
"you're a loser trend hopping brony, nobody cares what you think."
You're a foolish stubborn ass that clearly has issues with gays and attacks people for stating their opinion and views. Nobody cares what you think.
"you're a loser trend hopping brony, nobody cares what you think."
You're a foolish stubborn ass that clearly has issues with gays and attacks people for stating their opinion and views. Nobody cares what you think.
@Shippoyasha
"Kennydee, not all fans are that zealous nor are exclusionary and elitist. Note how criticisms like yours only accentuate the negatives so it fits the way you want it."
I think you missed the mark on what I was saying.
"they want acceptance by the culture. They're almost always stuck in straight, white male bodies, for you, it'd be like if every video game had you play as a woman."
Are you sure? Because as an Indian midget, I have no problem being "stuck" in a straight, white male body. Likewise, I wouldn't give two fucks if every video game had me playing as a woman, because you know, vidya games. My friend's disabled sister had no issues being "stuck" in Cloud Strife's body in Final Fantasy.
If the creators of video games decide that they want to craft a story and experience that is close to them and involves a straight cast or whatever, that's their decision. I don't expect them to touch upon the harsh realities of being an Indian midget, because it's not relevant to them personally (which I can only respect) and they probably don't understand it... and it would probably upset my Indian midget 'community'.
Remember when Bruno was released, and how Sacha Baron Cohen wanted to bring some visibility to how homophobic America is? Quite a few gay rights activists went completely batshit crazy, because he stereotyped homosexuals, represented them in a bad light and that as a straight man, he hasn't had the personal "experience" needed to make such a film.
I think if 'gaymers' feel the need to as some people put it (seems to only be the straight folk making assumptions) have a space that they can feel 'safe' and be like themselves to discuss their own... identities, away from the possibility of an misunderstanding straight population, maybe the same thing needs to be extended to game development? As studios are clearly so populated by straight people making the games THEY like for a straight population, the gay community needs to kickstart a gayme studio of their own to show others how it's done?
That would be kickstarter money well spent, I think.
Then again, this convention might be the place for that kind of thing to get started.
"Why Gaymercon is a good idea:
1. Multiple 18+ late night panels devoted to risque topics (fanfics/drawings/etc)
2. Booth studs as opposed to booth babes
4. Musical theater production in lieu of rave"
1: Won't someone PLEASE think of the (gay) children!
2: I guess the lesbians are plain out of luck.
3: Gay people don't like to rave? You should come to the gay clubs I've been to.
"Kennydee, not all fans are that zealous nor are exclusionary and elitist. Note how criticisms like yours only accentuate the negatives so it fits the way you want it."
I think you missed the mark on what I was saying.
"they want acceptance by the culture. They're almost always stuck in straight, white male bodies, for you, it'd be like if every video game had you play as a woman."
Are you sure? Because as an Indian midget, I have no problem being "stuck" in a straight, white male body. Likewise, I wouldn't give two fucks if every video game had me playing as a woman, because you know, vidya games. My friend's disabled sister had no issues being "stuck" in Cloud Strife's body in Final Fantasy.
If the creators of video games decide that they want to craft a story and experience that is close to them and involves a straight cast or whatever, that's their decision. I don't expect them to touch upon the harsh realities of being an Indian midget, because it's not relevant to them personally (which I can only respect) and they probably don't understand it... and it would probably upset my Indian midget 'community'.
Remember when Bruno was released, and how Sacha Baron Cohen wanted to bring some visibility to how homophobic America is? Quite a few gay rights activists went completely batshit crazy, because he stereotyped homosexuals, represented them in a bad light and that as a straight man, he hasn't had the personal "experience" needed to make such a film.
I think if 'gaymers' feel the need to as some people put it (seems to only be the straight folk making assumptions) have a space that they can feel 'safe' and be like themselves to discuss their own... identities, away from the possibility of an misunderstanding straight population, maybe the same thing needs to be extended to game development? As studios are clearly so populated by straight people making the games THEY like for a straight population, the gay community needs to kickstart a gayme studio of their own to show others how it's done?
That would be kickstarter money well spent, I think.
Then again, this convention might be the place for that kind of thing to get started.
"Why Gaymercon is a good idea:
1. Multiple 18+ late night panels devoted to risque topics (fanfics/drawings/etc)
2. Booth studs as opposed to booth babes
4. Musical theater production in lieu of rave"
1: Won't someone PLEASE think of the (gay) children!
2: I guess the lesbians are plain out of luck.
3: Gay people don't like to rave? You should come to the gay clubs I've been to.
The thing is, the community can shape itself how it wants. At the same time, individuals can have their own views on gaming. That is my perspective on it. I am not involved with these conventions in any way and I just do not see any encroachment in regard to other gamers or the game developers.
Nerds hold convention where they can gather to celebrate their interests without fear of persecution = "Yay, I'm totally going! Nerds represent!"
LGBT nerds hold convention where they can gather to celebrate their interests without fear of persecution = "LOL THIS IS POINTLESS STOP SEGREGATING YOURSELVES WE KNOW YOU ASSHOLES EXIST"
If you're saying this is pointless, I really hope you think PAX, Comic-Con, and Anime Expo are pointless too, because you are being, at the very least, a hypocrite if you don't.
"But they have events and announcements and stuff!"
Yes, because they've been around long enough to have the cachet to attract bigger and bigger players in nerd-friendly industries.
"They don't even have a schedule yet!"
Do most cons have a finalized schedule even two months before the event? No. I don't know why this one has to hold to that impossible standard if Comic-Con still has to cancel panels on the day of the panel.
"What are they gonna do there that they can't do where they live?"
Meet in person? Not feel ostracized? Wear silly costumes they can't wear every day that express their pride in their nerdy interests? You know, just like Comic-Con or PAX?
"Why do these people have to broadcast their sexuality? I don't do that!"
Are you a monk? No? Then you do that.
LGBT nerds hold convention where they can gather to celebrate their interests without fear of persecution = "LOL THIS IS POINTLESS STOP SEGREGATING YOURSELVES WE KNOW YOU ASSHOLES EXIST"
If you're saying this is pointless, I really hope you think PAX, Comic-Con, and Anime Expo are pointless too, because you are being, at the very least, a hypocrite if you don't.
"But they have events and announcements and stuff!"
Yes, because they've been around long enough to have the cachet to attract bigger and bigger players in nerd-friendly industries.
"They don't even have a schedule yet!"
Do most cons have a finalized schedule even two months before the event? No. I don't know why this one has to hold to that impossible standard if Comic-Con still has to cancel panels on the day of the panel.
"What are they gonna do there that they can't do where they live?"
Meet in person? Not feel ostracized? Wear silly costumes they can't wear every day that express their pride in their nerdy interests? You know, just like Comic-Con or PAX?
"Why do these people have to broadcast their sexuality? I don't do that!"
Are you a monk? No? Then you do that.
Everyone seems to be entirely missing the real problem with this convention...
...gaming conventions are like 50 times less fun than we pretend they are.
I wonder if the gays can make gaming cons fun?
...gaming conventions are like 50 times less fun than we pretend they are.
I wonder if the gays can make gaming cons fun?
kid23455:
The reason we need shit like this is because gay people do not have the same rights as straights in the U.S..
How so? Minus same sex marriage, I'm pretty sure everyone has the same basic rights. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
The reason we need shit like this is because gay people do not have the same rights as straights in the U.S..
How so? Minus same sex marriage, I'm pretty sure everyone has the same basic rights. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
@bigstinker2000
Try ignoring this maybe? not like anyone takes your opinions seriously after all your comments so your just wasting your time making yourself look like a homophobic ass. not like this effects you in anyway so spending your day trying to tear this apart seems pointless
Try ignoring this maybe? not like anyone takes your opinions seriously after all your comments so your just wasting your time making yourself look like a homophobic ass. not like this effects you in anyway so spending your day trying to tear this apart seems pointless
But this "stupid shit" will thrive with or without your dumbass homophobe comments... but by all means continue to look like a tool
@Gorff
Although I think he's a bit extreme in how he portrays his views (hilariously blunt and extreme at times), I think YOU'RE doing no better in stamping your feet and crying "HOMOPHOBE" because he doesn't see the point in the con. At no point has he been specifically homophobic from what I can see, and the post you're quoting he's DEFINITELY not being homophobic. He makes a valid point about the commentor who said that the point of this con is so that gay people don't have to worry about what they say to others as in: they can talk about gay sex or how hot some actor is.
That's incredibly short sighted to think that gay people just want to be around one another to talk about fucking or how sexy Zac Effron is. I'm sure there's an element there, just like how straight guys get together to talk about how much they want to bang Megan Fox. But strangers at a con? I'm pretty sure (hopeful) that's not a factor, especially when it's a bloody games one.
I'd feel pretty weirded out if some random guy came up to me ANYWHERE and started trying to get into a discussion about how sexy some woman is and how he wants to fuck her HIGH FIVE BRO! Really? You're at a GAMES CONVENTION to talk about GAY SEX and HOW HOT SOME ACTOR IS. The guy bigstinker is quoting is obviously stereotyping gay people himself as people who just want to talk about fabulous hot fucking actors, gay sex and NOT issues related to gaming and the homosexual population/audiences.
In that sense and how people are looking at it, yeah. It does start to sound like "fuckcon" where people are just looking to hook up and a pointless endevour for gay people to just get together for no reason.
I'm not saying that's what it is, but bigstinker is kinda right to point out that shitty excuse for the con being there.
Also, from another forum...
Wallace: Black History Month, you find...
Freeman: Ridiculous
Wallace: Why?
Freeman: You're going to relegate my history to a month?
Wallace: Come on.
Freeman: Waht do you do with yours? Which month is White History Month? Come on, tell me.
Wallace: I'm Jewish.
Freeman: OK. Which month is Jewish History Month?
Wallace: There isn't one.
Freeman: Why not? Do you want one?
Wallace: No, no.
Freeman: I don't either. I don't want a Black History Month. Black history is American history.
Wallace: How are we going to get rid of racism until ...?
Freeman: Stop talking about it. I'm going to stop calling you a white man. And I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man. I know you as Mike Wallace. You know me as Morgan Freeman. You're not going to say, "I know this white guy named Mike Wallace." Hear what I'm saying?
Although I think he's a bit extreme in how he portrays his views (hilariously blunt and extreme at times), I think YOU'RE doing no better in stamping your feet and crying "HOMOPHOBE" because he doesn't see the point in the con. At no point has he been specifically homophobic from what I can see, and the post you're quoting he's DEFINITELY not being homophobic. He makes a valid point about the commentor who said that the point of this con is so that gay people don't have to worry about what they say to others as in: they can talk about gay sex or how hot some actor is.
That's incredibly short sighted to think that gay people just want to be around one another to talk about fucking or how sexy Zac Effron is. I'm sure there's an element there, just like how straight guys get together to talk about how much they want to bang Megan Fox. But strangers at a con? I'm pretty sure (hopeful) that's not a factor, especially when it's a bloody games one.
I'd feel pretty weirded out if some random guy came up to me ANYWHERE and started trying to get into a discussion about how sexy some woman is and how he wants to fuck her HIGH FIVE BRO! Really? You're at a GAMES CONVENTION to talk about GAY SEX and HOW HOT SOME ACTOR IS. The guy bigstinker is quoting is obviously stereotyping gay people himself as people who just want to talk about fabulous hot fucking actors, gay sex and NOT issues related to gaming and the homosexual population/audiences.
In that sense and how people are looking at it, yeah. It does start to sound like "fuckcon" where people are just looking to hook up and a pointless endevour for gay people to just get together for no reason.
I'm not saying that's what it is, but bigstinker is kinda right to point out that shitty excuse for the con being there.
Also, from another forum...
Wallace: Black History Month, you find...
Freeman: Ridiculous
Wallace: Why?
Freeman: You're going to relegate my history to a month?
Wallace: Come on.
Freeman: Waht do you do with yours? Which month is White History Month? Come on, tell me.
Wallace: I'm Jewish.
Freeman: OK. Which month is Jewish History Month?
Wallace: There isn't one.
Freeman: Why not? Do you want one?
Wallace: No, no.
Freeman: I don't either. I don't want a Black History Month. Black history is American history.
Wallace: How are we going to get rid of racism until ...?
Freeman: Stop talking about it. I'm going to stop calling you a white man. And I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man. I know you as Mike Wallace. You know me as Morgan Freeman. You're not going to say, "I know this white guy named Mike Wallace." Hear what I'm saying?
@kennydee he just said something along the lines of all gay people will do is talk about what gives them boners and fucking. that plus so much dedication to tearing this thing apart gives me homophobe vibes. All cons are just as pointless so what makes this one more pointless? the gays of course! quakecon is fine because quake fans can gather and celebrate quake. Gaymercon a place where homosexuals can gather and celebrate? NO FUCKING WAY!
Tabarnaco said this is pointless, but im not calling him a homphobe just Bigstinker
Sorry but i see through his front and i will leave it at that. Agree to disagree i suppose
Tabarnaco said this is pointless, but im not calling him a homphobe just Bigstinker
Sorry but i see through his front and i will leave it at that. Agree to disagree i suppose
@Gorff
Yeah, he said that because the person before him said that talking about gay sex and how hot some actor is would be some kind of priority at this thing and why it needs to exist. More or less.
Yeah, he said that because the person before him said that talking about gay sex and how hot some actor is would be some kind of priority at this thing and why it needs to exist. More or less.
Oh, and I see somebody trotted out the Morgan Freeman interview, because lord knows when a famous black man says that Black History Month is foolish, that means it needs to be cancelled ASAP.
I love this particular exchange: "Wallace: How are we going to get rid of racism until ...? Freeman: Stop talking about it." While I don't necessarily think that Black History Month should be pitched as the means to end racism, I'm curious what historical precedent Mr. Freeman is basing his opinion off of. What other famous problems that were endemic to society and notoriously difficult to uproot have been solved by not talking about them? Women, as I recall, got the right to vote because they stayed in the kitchen and didn't bother anyone about it, and eventually the men up on Capitol Hill decided the time was right, and then sexism was over forever until people just had to bring it up again. Slavery was a big one, too. Why, the abolitionists just waited until the guilt was too much for the slaveowners, who promptly and peaceably turned all their 'property' loose.
And I know it's true from personal anecdote, because just last year I had a disagreement with my girlfriend. Knowing deep down that the best course of action was not talking about it, I carried on as if nothing was wrong and now the problem is obviously solved, because I don't talk to her anymore at all! Wait, hold on...
I love this particular exchange: "Wallace: How are we going to get rid of racism until ...? Freeman: Stop talking about it." While I don't necessarily think that Black History Month should be pitched as the means to end racism, I'm curious what historical precedent Mr. Freeman is basing his opinion off of. What other famous problems that were endemic to society and notoriously difficult to uproot have been solved by not talking about them? Women, as I recall, got the right to vote because they stayed in the kitchen and didn't bother anyone about it, and eventually the men up on Capitol Hill decided the time was right, and then sexism was over forever until people just had to bring it up again. Slavery was a big one, too. Why, the abolitionists just waited until the guilt was too much for the slaveowners, who promptly and peaceably turned all their 'property' loose.
And I know it's true from personal anecdote, because just last year I had a disagreement with my girlfriend. Knowing deep down that the best course of action was not talking about it, I carried on as if nothing was wrong and now the problem is obviously solved, because I don't talk to her anymore at all! Wait, hold on...
Well either way this con has a point to the people that care as every con does. just because you refuse to see it does not mean it isn't there.
People clearly want to go so why try to take it away from them? its stupid shit to you but its a big thing to ALOT of people. A cons purpose is to Gather with like minded people and celebrate. looks like any other con to me. So please dont tell me you see the point in other cons but not in this one. the only conclusion to why you would hate on this con and not others is that your homophobic, Unless of course you share that hate with other just as pointless cons
People clearly want to go so why try to take it away from them? its stupid shit to you but its a big thing to ALOT of people. A cons purpose is to Gather with like minded people and celebrate. looks like any other con to me. So please dont tell me you see the point in other cons but not in this one. the only conclusion to why you would hate on this con and not others is that your homophobic, Unless of course you share that hate with other just as pointless cons
@bigstinker2000
so what makes this con not worthy of being a thing and yet other cons have the right too? you have yet to explain why all other cons are okay but this one needs to be targeted and stopped. maybe you really do believe your not homophobic and its just a subconscious thing XD
Equality =/= homosexuals dont deserve a con. talk about flawless logic
This is clearly a waste of time and this doesn't effect me so im gonna let it be, wow what a concept! so continue to hate with free reign
so what makes this con not worthy of being a thing and yet other cons have the right too? you have yet to explain why all other cons are okay but this one needs to be targeted and stopped. maybe you really do believe your not homophobic and its just a subconscious thing XD
Equality =/= homosexuals dont deserve a con. talk about flawless logic
This is clearly a waste of time and this doesn't effect me so im gonna let it be, wow what a concept! so continue to hate with free reign
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