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GameTrailers, by way of video podcast "Invisible Walls," has ripped the ESRB to shreds following the forced removal of Fallout 3 content from the site. Using the kind of language that has killed elderly women, editor-in-chief Shane Satterfield and co-star "Grumpy" criticized the way in which the ESRB has handled the promotion for Bethesda's latest game, likening their activities to those of the Mafia.

GamePolitics handily transcribed some of the show comments, which you can read after the jump. You can also listen to the full thing, which kicks in after around the 26-minute mark. The basic story, however, is that the ESRB ordered the removal of Bethesda's material from GT, which obviously hacked them off. In response, GameTrailers made its own violent Fallout 3 video, which the ESRB had no jurisdiction over. However, the ESRB allegedly retaliated by forcing the publisher to ask GT to take it down, under the threat that GT and that publisher might not be able to work together in the future.

Naturally, this has disgusted the GameTrailers crew and if this is how it went down, who can blame them? The ESRB seems to be going the way of the BBFC -- flaunting power for the sake of it and protecting its own dignity rather than the needs of game makers. From the sounds of it, the ratings board went above and beyond both its duty and its jurisdiction, seemingly just to make a point.  

The ESRB is now in a convenient position where it has become the standard for the industry, and as such, can act how it pleases. Absolute power, however, corrupts absolutely. While its job is a necessary one, things like this breed nothing but contempt between the board and the industry it claims to serve. Whoever was in charge of this rather bizarre and unnecessary Fallout 3 situation might want to reconsider whether they want to work for a ratings board, or the Chinese government.

Grumpy: Wankers! ...I am just absolutely flabbergasted about the ESRB. They're a bunch of bleepwads sitting in Washington.

Shane: Hear, hear!

Grumpy: ...they get publishers to pull video footage. They assisted in getting the Fallout 3 ads taken out of Washington because some dumb bleepwit... on a bus got upset that they were showing images of decimated Washington...

Shane: Never watched a movie before!

Grumpy: Exactly. It's a futuristic, post-apocalyptic game. I am so sick of this nanny state... they are not a government organization. They are a body made up of unqualified nincompoops... unfortunately, they're taking the nanny state to the nth degree... They make the FCC look like a bunch of broad-minded, non-censorship individuals... It sucks that Bethesda had to pull all this Fallout 3 stuff, because it was bleeping good media...

Shane: All age-gated...

Grumpy: ...nobody could get at it. But because some little toe-rag at ESRB decides to get pissed off about something, all that good work is gone... Good job, Bethesda. It sucks that they have to kowtow to the ESRB...

Shane: I hate the ESRB... The week before that we had gotten an exclusive on a trailer... suddenly we get a call... and the publisher is telling us to take it down because of the ESRB... The ESRB can only regulate media that the publishers send us. Anything that we create in-house, as GameTrailers, they can't touch... we'll make our own violent-as-hell trailer that they can't do anything about. So we did. We put it up, it was huge... then we get a call from publisher X [who said] "...the ESRB is putting pressure on us and so that bleep is going to run downhill to where we can't work with you guys unless you do what the ESRB says" ...they are like the frickin' Mafia... These people have totally gone like a frickin' power trip...


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Holyetheline's Avatar
Holyetheline at 11/09/2008 14:06
That's disgusting that the ESRB would go through all that trouble over a few trailers. So lame.
Funky Goodness's Avatar
Funky Goodness at 11/09/2008 14:11
I find it funny that Fallout 3 gets away totally scot free with literally eyeball popping gore, yet stuff like No More Heroes and Manhunt 2 get banned/censored over here in Europe.

And STILL they find a way to extract some form of controversy from it.
Jordan Grim Devore's Avatar
Jordan Grim Devore at 11/09/2008 14:13
I pray for the day when the industry doesn't have to deal with garbage like this.
Funky Goodness's Avatar
Funky Goodness at 11/09/2008 14:14
I find it funny that Fallout 3 gets away totally scot free with literally eyeball popping gore, yet stuff like No More Heroes and Manhunt 2 get banned/censored like fuck over here in Europe.

And they STILL find a way to extract some form of controversy from it...
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nukka jdav at 11/09/2008 14:17
Holy cow, I'm actually enraged about this.
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Rosseh at 11/09/2008 14:24
This is beyond a joke. They do this kind of crap and the whole deal with them making the limited edition Gears 2 Lancer gold because it looked too much like a real gun this whole thing is getting way out of hand.

We need to do something about this. I say we think of something along the lines of a protest. We can't just sit and complain about these things. We need to get out there and make people aware just how ridiculous this whole thing is and how unhappy we are.
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Corak at 11/09/2008 14:24
Yup they can show a movie poster for Saw V, where some guys face is pulled over another guys face and tied in the back and people say nothing. Show DC after a war and some fuckwit bitches. Didn't Independence Day have a picture of the white house and an alien ship over it, firing its weapon? No one complained about that? The fuck is wrong with people? Seriously. I wish I could meet these people to complain face to face.

Which of these posters looks worse to you? Both I have no problem with, but if it was say my kid, I'd say the one for Saw.



ace of knaves's Avatar
ace of knaves at 11/09/2008 14:49
I doubt this kind of douchery is going to end anytime soon. I mean, the MPAA still pulls shit like this all the time. *sigh*, at least I don't live in Australia.
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Furyfire at 11/09/2008 15:00
...Yay for stupid people and their pet peeves.

The ESRB needs a new set of people to do their stinkin' 'reviews' of games with open freakin' minds. :P
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CelicaCrazed at 11/09/2008 15:01
Maybe the ESRB is fed up with all the trolls on GT as well ^_^
Funky Goodness's Avatar
Funky Goodness at 11/09/2008 15:05
Damn double post glitches...
Qraze's Avatar
Qraze at 11/09/2008 15:12
it ain't gonna end until we the gamers who play the games makes up a true ratings board devoid of pay offs and silly policies. WE THE GAMERS and not the soccer moms.
it will end when their is a competition to rate a game based on content. i said it and would love to create it, we just need some great sound ideas and policies concerning content and only content. publicity should not be rated by the same company, only content should. if you agree or think this is a bullshit idea, please add your critisism but be constructive and not attackative(?).
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Volomon at 11/09/2008 15:16
They could easily replace ESRB, all they have to do is get PS3 Xbox and the Wii involved.
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naia-the-gamer at 11/09/2008 15:21
I've been saying this for a while, but our country has gotten way too uptight over stuff like this.

What happened?
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar
Phoenix Gamma at 11/09/2008 15:22
Wait a second. Someone explain this for me.

The ERSB rates games...so why the bloody hell are they involved with this at all? This isn't about rating games, so why are they making people take shit down?

That's like me becoming the head of some car regulation board, then going down the street and telling the gas station to lower their prices because I'm the car regulation man. Or something like that.

It's fucking dumb.
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BS3 Owner at 11/09/2008 15:35
Remember the ESRB forced GameTrailers once to take down Dark Sector videos too. Because of the gruesome nature of the ingame footage.

As long as they stick to videos. & still bring Video Games Uncensored here in the US... I'm willing to deal with it.

Except this does bring up proceed with caution warning flags!
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CypherVR at 11/09/2008 15:35
someone's got some sand in their vagina >_>
Qraze's Avatar
Qraze at 11/09/2008 15:35
screw they, its we. no pay offs. only rate content sold as is and in later patches or dlc. no control over adds or publicity. that should lie with the publisher not a fucking ratings board for the actual game.
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realyst at 11/09/2008 15:44
@naia-the-gamer

Fuckwit right-wing religious extremists that force their world view by beseeching the lessons of a centuries-out-of-date book many of them never even read.

This becomes every more present as the baby boomers approach the age of death and want a cozy deity to welcome them as his 'favorite child' once the inevitable happens.
A New Challenger's Avatar
A New Challenger at 11/09/2008 15:51
You know those religious zealots who eagerly await Judgment Day and hope to see it in their lifetime so they get to see the Rapture and the Earth cleansed of the wicked? I hate to say it, but I kind of know how they feel. I envision a scenario where the Feds finally take over rating content for movies or games, and then instead of private entities being able to censor through contracts and pressure it becomes a legitimate First Amendment issue and no "chilling effect" pressure to alter content or advertising will be applied, a rating will simply be assigned and people will act appropriately based on the rating.

Of course, like the Rapture scenario, this is a complete and utter fairyland fantasy, as one need only look at the FCC to see how things would in fact play out, not to mention how little the federal government seems to think of the Constitution lately. But, on some days, I do dream of being the Lamb of Gaming God and breaking that seventh seal.
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Volomon at 11/09/2008 15:53
@BS3 Owner Hate to wake you up but they censor a lot more than you are even aware of apparently. Most of time we don't even find out because it's not a public matter it's between the Publisher and ESRB. The few times we do find out it's because someone inside bitches. Even a kid from ESRB bitched about it.
Qraze's Avatar
Qraze at 11/09/2008 16:07
a kid from esrb? how old was this kid and how did he have any pull? just curious as to why they would allow a kid to judge a game but can't vote if he in-fact was a kid.
DJDuffy 's Avatar
DJDuffy at 11/09/2008 17:20
Those ESRB idiots, I can't believe that. Are there no pro-game lobbyists in Washington that can stand up to this BS?
Syn's Avatar
Syn at 11/09/2008 17:27
The ESRB is optional for game publishers yes? Or did it become mandatory at some point? They should just give them a giant 'fuck you' and not let them rate any of their shit any more.
ThunderHeartXI's Avatar
ThunderHeartXI at 11/09/2008 17:29
@DJDuffy

They're a bunch of uptight geezers, you honestly expect one of them to be pro-games?

I can only pray for the day when I'll have something like Ichi the Killer in my hands. But, until then, I'll just be angry at the ESRB and their shitty nazi policies.
Mxyzptlk's Avatar
Mxyzptlk at 11/09/2008 17:49
As obnoxious as I typically find the ESRB, better them rating games than the government.
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bart999 at 11/09/2008 19:15
ESRB=fuckwads
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TrailerParkJesus at 11/09/2008 20:17
Good job ESRB. That's what rating boards totally do.
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Alexradl at 11/09/2008 20:37
Mxy is right, while the ESRB sucks huge lobster milkshakes, they are far better than having government mandated ratings.

Syn:

While the ESRB is optional, no big/well-known publisher would ever take the risk of releasing a game without a rating from the ESRB.
B-Radicate's Avatar
B-Radicate at 11/09/2008 21:09
They know Gears 2 allows you to saw men in half (advertised as taint to head) and bash people's faces in with the butts of your gun, or even your hands, right?

This disgusts me. Not the content, mind you, but what lengths the ESRB went to to perform an act that is wholly outside its power and purpose.
Qraze's Avatar
Qraze at 11/09/2008 22:05
well, i guess a bad idea was a bad idea,so another dream down the tube that could actually be good.
also, ichi the killer was fucking awesome yet a bit confusing but awesome!
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Stonedfox at 11/09/2008 22:54
Is there a way to make an example of ESRB, the way they tried to make an example of Gametrailers here? I think someone needs to NOT hack their website and NOT call them out for the bowel-movement faced, intercourse heads they are.
Qraze's Avatar
Qraze at 11/09/2008 23:17
lets just raid their offices and kill their cattle and firstborns.
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Coldbrand at 11/10/2008 00:35
If they're so much worse than government regulated ratings than why are they acting like bigger fucking bullies?

There was no point to this short of flaunting power. They've outlived their usefulness.
Conan-san's Avatar
Conan-san at 11/10/2008 01:31
BBFC DINOSAUR ATTACKS AGAIN!

Do Your Bit! ATTACK THE DINOSUAR AND STARVE IT OF IT@S MAIN FOOD !
Cynical Gamer's Avatar
Cynical Gamer at 11/10/2008 06:29
I look forward to the day they get rid of the ESRB and age checks on video sites.
parrothead's Avatar
parrothead at 11/10/2008 08:48
Politics as usual in the USA
Syn's Avatar
Syn at 11/10/2008 09:26
I suppose getting all the companies to work together against a common enemy is out of the question. If everyone dropped ESRB at the same time it wouldn't be such a risk. Especially if they started rating their own games.
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Dexter345 at 11/10/2008 14:34
Yikes.
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MailboxHead at 11/10/2008 16:03
Hurry everyone make your own ultra-violent trailer's and post em on youtube!
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Citizen Erased at 11/10/2008 16:46
I love Invisible Walls and the ESRB sound like a bunch of dickholes.
Jinky Williams's Avatar
Jinky Williams at 11/10/2008 20:04
"Wait a second. Someone explain this for me.

The ERSB rates games...so why the bloody hell are they involved with this at all? This isn't about rating games, so why are they making people take shit down?

That's like me becoming the head of some car regulation board, then going down the street and telling the gas station to lower their prices because I'm the car regulation man. Or something like that."

Or something like that. Your analogy makes the good point of showing how absurd the situation is that a ratings board has the power to forcibly affect change like that.
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ender_x at 11/11/2008 00:37
I hope the ESRB will be okay. What, with Gametrailers hating them and all.
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