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I'd be up for that, but sadly, it'll never happen. Even Valve, who I dearly love, most likely would do that.
@usedTable- This. Although if I can get even $1 back for unplayed arcade games, I probably would jump on it.
The idea of used digital is odd... Used data? I can't wrap my head around the idea of selling something not physical used. It just doesn't register with me.
I would give everyone a share if I could sell a game I bought on Steam based on good reviews, but found out, it wasn't clearly my taste... really I would love, too!
Please dear God, let this happen someday. I never understood why Valve doesn't allow this practice. Green Man Gaming does.
Let me sell games back that I don't want anymore to purchase new games with. I have over 60 games on Steam I purchased two years ago that I don't want but am stuck with. *sigh*
Even if I can sell my digital games for a fraction of what I purchased them for, it'll be worth it.
Let me sell games back that I don't want anymore to purchase new games with. I have over 60 games on Steam I purchased two years ago that I don't want but am stuck with. *sigh*
Even if I can sell my digital games for a fraction of what I purchased them for, it'll be worth it.
@Ardent Snow
Why? works the same as a physical game the only difference is you are transferring the license not a physical thing.
They came to the decision in the EU that the second hand sale/transfer of software licensing was completely legitimate. Which I think is helping to pave the way for concepts like this from companies like Gamestop.
Why? works the same as a physical game the only difference is you are transferring the license not a physical thing.
They came to the decision in the EU that the second hand sale/transfer of software licensing was completely legitimate. Which I think is helping to pave the way for concepts like this from companies like Gamestop.
Seems like there's an amazing opportunity here for someone, GameStop or otherwise, to come in and totally nail this. A third party site that allows gamers to sell used licenses to one another where the marketplace takes a cut and the original publisher takes a cut. Gamers get their used games on the cheap, platform provider gets their piece and, with the right kickbacks, even publishers could support this used games marketplace.
Someone just needs to do it, and do it well.
Someone just needs to do it, and do it well.
I dunno, isn't the depreciated value of a used physical copy of a game only there because it is no longer in mint condition? Data doesn't deteriorate nor come packaged, so the price shouldn't be any cheaper for a "used" digital game since it's basically the exact same thing as a "new" one.
I could see this working, actually - it would be the same as getting store credit, which encourages people to buy new games at what is essentially a discount.
Well, I don't usually sell my games unless I'm forced to, but if this pushes digital prices down, I'm all for it.
And it makes sense. If I can sell a patent I should be able t sell a license.
And it makes sense. If I can sell a patent I should be able t sell a license.
It'll be interesting to see how that European court ruling pans out. This is probably wishful thinking but if the law is actually enforced and the rest of the free world follows suit, we might actually get to OWN the games that we buy again and publishers like EA will have to start treating us with a bit more respect than they have been this gen. They'll chuck a tantrum whilst doing it but that'll just make their tears THAT much sweeter!
@ tek
Lol! That Scanners gif never gets old!
@ tek
Lol! That Scanners gif never gets old!
@scuffles I'm not talking about all that. I'm simply saying the idea of selling a piece of data as used is so wierd. I understand how it's going to work. I have at least basic comprehension skills...
When I buy digital games, they are so cheap that I would feel dirty to even ask for money back when I'm done playing.
But I guess its cool for people who by AAA games on release.
One the other hand, why would u do that, if u feel like you should get money back after playing?
But I guess its cool for people who by AAA games on release.
One the other hand, why would u do that, if u feel like you should get money back after playing?
@phr33kachu
I almost did during the last steam sale but I just kept remembering the reviews and snagged the doublefine bundle instead. The little bit at the bottom "Internet connection required" was also sorta a deal breaker.
I almost did during the last steam sale but I just kept remembering the reviews and snagged the doublefine bundle instead. The little bit at the bottom "Internet connection required" was also sorta a deal breaker.
If you buy something on a market, you should be able to resell it on the market. It's that simple. Otherwise the item you purchased has no market value - in other words the Downloads you purchased ain't worth anything.
If publishers don't allow second hand sales, they are literally printing money, and charging a tax on any other goods or service by doing this. It's like inflation. Kinda like the other extreme of piracy, but leading to the same end - decreasing value of Digital goods.
If publishers don't allow second hand sales, they are literally printing money, and charging a tax on any other goods or service by doing this. It's like inflation. Kinda like the other extreme of piracy, but leading to the same end - decreasing value of Digital goods.
But how do you sell "Used" rights? How do we know Gamestop isn't selling "Used Copies" for New prices?
I don't really buy into the idea of selling non-physical media. Its just a market begging to be exploited and would result in more unpleasantness like the online pass, DRM or risk devaluing the market entirely.
Plus what am I going to get for games I got off a Steam sale? Fifty cents? Why bother? I'm usually getting digital games at really low prices in the first place.
Plus what am I going to get for games I got off a Steam sale? Fifty cents? Why bother? I'm usually getting digital games at really low prices in the first place.
Yeah, this isn't making a whole lot of sense to me. I'm not saying it's bad or anything, it's just a really strange concept. Isn't the whole concept of "used" anything the notion that the wear of use and handling has rendered the item in question lower in value than its new, retail equivalent? That's physically impossible here. What point am I missing?
@Lycan XIII
It's all about the demand for the goods.
The more people sell off their license, the cheaper the price for a new copy should get.
It's all about the demand for the goods.
The more people sell off their license, the cheaper the price for a new copy should get.
@tristix that was exactly my thinking. Something gets labeled as used when it's physical condition may not be up to par with that of a new item. It's just information. That's why the whole concept is odd to me.
That's cool, so then this way no developer could ever make money developing games, because GS wants to keep stealing their sales away from them. Huh, interesting.
Rest-assured-big-publishers-are-probably-already-doing-everything-in-thier-power-to-ensure-this-doesnt-happen...and-i-mean-anything....bribes,threats,sacrificing-virgins,back-alley--blowjobs.....everything
Regardless of what the industry has said over the last 3-4 years, people do tend to buy new product over used when they can afford to. There's plenty of ways they could differentiate used from new in this case, I'm pretty interested in seeing what they could come up with.
I just want to throw this out there: Competition doesn't directly breed innovation, adversity does. Competition breeds adversity, but it's definitely not the only way to to go about it. Finding a way to make this kind of situation work would breed a lot of adversity, and the innovation that comes from it could end up being pretty great. It could also be pretty fucked, but at least the gears would be moving one way or the next.
I just want to throw this out there: Competition doesn't directly breed innovation, adversity does. Competition breeds adversity, but it's definitely not the only way to to go about it. Finding a way to make this kind of situation work would breed a lot of adversity, and the innovation that comes from it could end up being pretty great. It could also be pretty fucked, but at least the gears would be moving one way or the next.
Why don't companies just offer a credit trade-in function for their digital games? It would be easy to put limits on it so people don't abuse the system. For example, you can't trade a game for at least 7 days, and you can't trade more than 3 games during a single week. It could totally work!
@Neo- Because companies haven't even offer credit for their physical games. Everything's been third-party.
@trumanGC
Already exists and have existed since forever, it's called a serial number, or a CD-key. I bought Batman on Steam, and still had to enter a bunch of codes.
Already exists and have existed since forever, it's called a serial number, or a CD-key. I bought Batman on Steam, and still had to enter a bunch of codes.
@TripleShot
As long as you don't illeagally copy the game, it doesn't lose its value.
Publishers are digging their own grave, investing into intransparent microtransactionsmodels which will turn out to be a deadend, just in the same way your $1 iPhone apps don't really reflect the true value of the product.
Allowing the trade of Downloadable Goods, would reistablish their value.
The reason why people aren't willing to spend their money on expensive downloadable goods, is because these goods have no resale value.
Allowing second hand sales might remedy our recent IP drought, since gamers would be more willing to buy new IPs knowing they can comfortably resell them if not satisfied. Also the money gathered by selling your used licenses may flow back directly into buying new games, keeping the market healthy.
Publishers could take advantage of this, and offer the possibility for players to use their digital-distribution-platforms to trade in games, or digital items.
For instance Steam could offer you the option to purchase your game for cheap and then put a new copy up for sale. You would benefit from that service as you wouldn't have to bother with searching buyers or transactions. The market would benefit from it as the goods would keep their value. Steam would benefit from it, as it would bind customers to its service, who'd buy as well as sell their games using their platform, keeping money spinning.
As long as you don't illeagally copy the game, it doesn't lose its value.
Publishers are digging their own grave, investing into intransparent microtransactionsmodels which will turn out to be a deadend, just in the same way your $1 iPhone apps don't really reflect the true value of the product.
Allowing the trade of Downloadable Goods, would reistablish their value.
The reason why people aren't willing to spend their money on expensive downloadable goods, is because these goods have no resale value.
Allowing second hand sales might remedy our recent IP drought, since gamers would be more willing to buy new IPs knowing they can comfortably resell them if not satisfied. Also the money gathered by selling your used licenses may flow back directly into buying new games, keeping the market healthy.
Publishers could take advantage of this, and offer the possibility for players to use their digital-distribution-platforms to trade in games, or digital items.
For instance Steam could offer you the option to purchase your game for cheap and then put a new copy up for sale. You would benefit from that service as you wouldn't have to bother with searching buyers or transactions. The market would benefit from it as the goods would keep their value. Steam would benefit from it, as it would bind customers to its service, who'd buy as well as sell their games using their platform, keeping money spinning.
@Tristix and others saying similar things: Used isn't just talking about the quality of the product. It's also about the date it was released and waning interest.
If Dead Space 3 was a digital only game and it came out at $60, that doesn't mean because it lacks physical damage it's still worth anything close to $60 2-3 years down the road.
If Dead Space 3 was a digital only game and it came out at $60, that doesn't mean because it lacks physical damage it's still worth anything close to $60 2-3 years down the road.
Maybe in the UK since the courts over there ruled that you can sell your used shit, but not in the US.
I can understand the allure of this, who wouldn't? But, this whole "I hate vidja game publishers" shit is getting ridiculous. Everyone does realize, that without the publishers backing, most all of the "top tier" licences would have never seen the light of day? We all want these great, passion driven titles, I think that's easily agreeable, but do we ever stop to think that this is simply business? Don't get me wrong, publishers can generally be money-grubbing prick mouths, but that doesn't mean that they don't serve a purpose.
@usedtabe no it would not be called "used" it would still be a "new" product." it would just have a lower price. If it was never "used" by anyone then it it not a "used game." use a dictionary maybe?
Hey, so if this turns out to be a real thing, why would we still use gsmestop? I mean, its the internets... Couldn't there just be a hub site of some kind where I could meet up with and sell the game without a middleman taking the cut?
@Ardent Snow
"Used value isn't just taking into account the quality of the physical product. It's also about the date it was released and waning interest."
I cleared that sentence up for you, considering you went straight to "insult mode", bypassing "think critically for a few seconds and his intent would become clear mode".
@tekbunny
Convenience, probably. Especially if Gamestop starts handing out Twinkies and heavily sweetened coffee based drinks in the store, which is something I feel would make things extra convenient.
"Used value isn't just taking into account the quality of the physical product. It's also about the date it was released and waning interest."
I cleared that sentence up for you, considering you went straight to "insult mode", bypassing "think critically for a few seconds and his intent would become clear mode".
@tekbunny
Convenience, probably. Especially if Gamestop starts handing out Twinkies and heavily sweetened coffee based drinks in the store, which is something I feel would make things extra convenient.
Nonsense. I get the idea of being partially reimbursed for giving up the right to play a digitally-downloaded game -- but there will never be such a thing as a "used" digital game. You won't ever buy a digital download that has been marked-down because it's "used." The concept makes no sense. Maybe they'll reduce the price of a game, or even a limited supply of reduced-price digital purchases, as part of a promotion -- but that limitation would be arbitrarily set by them, because they aren't actually moving merchandise to begin with.
This is just GameStop scrambling for ways to shoehorn their douchey brand of unnecessary, redundant middle-management into a new market that is better off without them.
This is just GameStop scrambling for ways to shoehorn their douchey brand of unnecessary, redundant middle-management into a new market that is better off without them.
@alan An old game that loses value because it has lower demand And has been out for a while does not make it a used game. How hard is that to understand? It's still a new product. GameStop doesn't sell a game marked as used when it's old. It's still a new, unused game. That would be a discounted game. Not used. ...critical thinking... Lol
"If Dead Space 3 was a digital only game and it came out at $60, that doesn't mean because it lacks physical damage it's still worth anything close to $60 2-3 years down the road."
Right, precisely, which is why Dead Space 2 is frequently $4.99 on Steam, brand new and retail. No third party previous owner involved. So again... why would I possibly ever need to buy a used digital game when the exact same thing you're describing already happens without it?
Still not really makin a whole lot of sense to me, man.
Right, precisely, which is why Dead Space 2 is frequently $4.99 on Steam, brand new and retail. No third party previous owner involved. So again... why would I possibly ever need to buy a used digital game when the exact same thing you're describing already happens without it?
Still not really makin a whole lot of sense to me, man.
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