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Games only 'one notch up from porn,' claims Eidos photo

Gaming might be a more mainstream medium these days, but according to Ian Livingstone, Eidos' creative director and head of acquisitions, it is still struggling for respect. 

"We're still seen as the red-headed stepchild of the creative industries, one notch up from pornography in the eyes of most of the establishment," Livingstone lamented to The Guardian. "They forget that half of the world and half of the UK's population play games. Games help define who we are as human beings - they are as important, culturally and socially, as music and films."

Livingstone is a staunch defender of the UK games industry, and has warned that it could die in the future if it's not looked after with such incentives as tax credits and better education for would-be developers.

It would appear that videogames still have a large number of detractors within other industries, but one has to wonder sometimes if it's through genuine disrespect, or good old fashioned jealousy. No matter how many FOX news reporters or ignorant film critics dismiss gaming, it can't be denied that the medium has grown exponentionally, and will continue to do so. Gaming is just as valid a form of entertainment as literature and film, and one day it will get the same respect, whether certain people want it to or not.








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Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 10:55
Holyetheline
I can't wait for them to start teaching gaming history in schools.
Prince Ghidorah's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 10:56
Prince Ghidorah
These developers remind me of the late, great Rodney Dangerfield. Always complaining about how the don't get no respect. There are plenty of us out there who appreciate the creativity and talent that goes into an original, well crafted game (rare as those are) so who cares if film critics and Fox news don't?
Mista Smegheneghan's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 10:57
Mista Smegheneghan
RE: Holyetheline: when that begins getting taught, I shall be one of the main teachers :D
Ratcliff's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 10:57
Ratcliff
We need guys like Tim Schafer (Psychonauts) and Hideo Kojima (Metal Gear) to make more games. These guys could be the equivalent to Spielberg and Lucas and could jump start a popular "art" game movement.
Half left's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 10:58
Half left
First google result for "video game history course".

http://www.stanford.edu/class/sts145/

It's close, but no potato.

Once gaming has been around for a while it'll get more respect.
ReddenBlack's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 11:04
ReddenBlack
Really? The guy from Eidos is complaining that people think games are just one notch above porn? Maybe if his company didn't release Backyard Wrestling, Fear Effect 2 and a slew of Tomb Raider games, I'd feel a little more sympathy. I completely agree most of the mainstream media and a unfortunately large portion of the population at large don't see games as the art that they are, and that is an absolute shame. But the solution to this problem is not complaining that people don't "get it," the solution is to help people "get it."

Put it this way; How many commercials have you seen for Tomb Raider games (which haven't been <i>very</i> good in about a decade) and how many commercials have you seen for Braid?
ReddenBlack's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 11:04
ReddenBlack
Really? The guy from Eidos is complaining that people think games are just one notch above porn? Maybe if his company didn't release Backyard Wrestling, Fear Effect 2 and a slew of Tomb Raider games, I'd feel a little more sympathy. I completely agree most of the mainstream media and a unfortunately large portion of the population at large don't see games as the art that they are, and that is an absolute shame. But the solution to this problem is not complaining that people don't "get it," the solution is to help people "get it."

Put it this way; How many commercials have you seen for Tomb Raider games (which haven't been <i>very</i> good in about a decade) and how many commercials have you seen for Braid?
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 11:13
Jonathan Holmes
Yeah, Eidos is right, their games are just one notch above porn.

Also, I taught a videogame history course once at a summer camp. It went over like lead balloon. The kids just wanted to play the games, not learn about them.

At least I got to expose them to Monkey Island.
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 11:13
MrSadistic
I like porn.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 11:15
Excel-2011
@Jonathan Holmes:
Exactly where in gaming's history did you start?
Spectral's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 11:18
Spectral
Soon, you will be able to feel those sexually arousing pixels all over your
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 11:30
Timmeh
@Jonathan Holmes: Was that so unexpected? Personally I'd rather read a book or watch a movie than learn about their history too.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 11:44
Jonathan Holmes
@ Timmeh- No, it wasn't unexpected. Kids not wanting to learn is always expected.

@ The Exel- I started with Space Invaders, moved to Pac-Man, then branched out into Super Mario Bros, Zelda, Monkey Island, then went to Doom.

There were obviously a lot more games in there, but I can't remember them now. Have to check my old notes. I know Zork was in there somewhere.
Xhumation's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 12:32
Xhumation
a wise man (craig from screwattack.com) said that in order for games to be truly appreciated as an artform at least one generation has to die..and I agree.

There's still remnants of a "technophobe" generation that will never accept anything that's made with or for those crazy magic boxes we call "com-pu-ters".
TehBoognish's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 12:47
TehBoognish
Games help define who we are as human beings - they are as important, culturally and socially, as music and films.

Your not your f@cking khakis
the_real_one's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 12:48
the_real_one
its tru a generation will have to perish and i don't mind, games in my opinion have are more promising than books films and even music, i'm sorry but that's just the truth!
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 13:08
MechaMonkey
The question is: Which generation do we need to get rid of? I vote for the ones coming up and flooding LIVE with their prepubescent antics.
F Whipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 13:41
F Whipple
I think this guy may have a point. I don't think it will be long before the wii and porn are hand-in-hand to some extent
Grasshopper7's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 14:10
Grasshopper7
I actually sympathise with the view that games are an artistically barren medium. Don't get me wrong, I love games (I'm here after all), and I've played games that have genuine artistic appeal, but the vast majority of titles released are purely entertainment. There's nothing wrong with that in limited quantities but in film terms that's like having twice as many soulless summer blockbusters and direct-to-DVD action flicks as there are now and half as many Schindler's Lists or (insert artistically relavent movie of your choosing here).
ShadowKirby's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 14:57
ShadowKirby
Well, I'm studying movie history in university and there is a lot of comparisons to be made between the two medium when it comes to their respective history. It took around 50 to 60 years for movies to be taught in universities so I don't think we are going to see the same treatment for videogames for another 10 to 20 years. As for the recognition as art. We are making our way to that. Important themes and movements are starting to develop, theories on interactivity, narratives and gameplay mechanics are well... theorized and the industry itself is starting to make compromise between commercialization and artistic quality. There's a lot more to be done a lot of time to pass before we can really start to look back on the media's history but the industry is on the way. The Lumiere brothers thought that movies were going to die within a few yeas and that it was just a scientific novelty. It just shows that anything can happen.

"Put it this way; How many commercials have you seen for Tomb Raider games (which haven't been very good in about a decade) and how many commercials have you seen for Braid?"

On the long run, if Braid was really ground-breaking(did a good job when it came to integrate themes to gameplay mechanics but we could talk more about other good points and flaws) we will talk about it in a few years. But one thing is sure, we are going to talk about Tomb Raider and Lara Croft in a few years because of what she represents in the industry. She was one of the first videogame sex symbol and that was a step forward in "personality gaming" to borrow an expression from the history of animation.
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 15:24
Syn
WE ARE THE ALL SEEING, ALL DANCING CRAP OF THE WORLD.
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 15:25
Cowzilla3
There's a step up from porn?
Mr Wrighty 987's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/23/2008 15:26
Mr Wrighty 987
Lol @ Bonetown
Altered Beets's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/24/2008 01:06
Altered Beets
I agree with ShadowKirby 99.987 %
pABSO's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/24/2008 07:35
pABSO
Spot on Mr. Livingstone, you absolutely correct when it comes to improved education. I am currently a game design student at a school in Arizona and I am currently grinding with ferocity to overcome the sub-par teachings of this institution.

Finding quality education is indeed a tall order a great many students recede into the abyss shortly after enrolling in these schools because they recognize they are getting a sub-standard education.

Many of those who do graduate go on to secure employment as substandard modelers, programmers, artist, etc. The majority of these facilities preach that they have "industry experienced instructors" few things could be further from the truth.

So yes a greater investment in education must be made.

P.S. The school in question if your thinking of attending, it's name begins with a C.
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