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Can you unleash the banhammer on Thompson?
I mean..I watch on Kotaku as they let him rant on and on as he spams every post with some random ass article about how videogames make children turn into homicidal maniacs, but this is Destructoid..we shouldn't take his shit.
By the way Jack..
http://www.cknow.com/ckinfo/e/etard-Astupiduser.html
You're using e-tard in the wrong context.
YOU=FAIL
I mean..I watch on Kotaku as they let him rant on and on as he spams every post with some random ass article about how videogames make children turn into homicidal maniacs, but this is Destructoid..we shouldn't take his shit.
By the way Jack..
http://www.cknow.com/ckinfo/e/etard-Astupiduser.html
You're using e-tard in the wrong context.
YOU=FAIL
So if you say a violent game with killing is a murder simulator. Then you're saying video games in general are simulators? If I play a fighting game I'm playing a fighting simulator that's training me to fight? A racing game turns me into a race car driver? Mario games trained me to jump under things and jump up and hit them with my head. I learned how to throw fireballs as well. Wow these training simulators are amazing.
I just knew playing Halo 3 would make me a true Super Soldier. Now I can kill everybody in the world and nobody will be able to stop me because I am the Master Chief and I have a chick in my head who tells me to do it so it's not my fault.
I love these murder simulators. I also love those guitar-sims like Guitar Hero 3 that teach you how to play Through Fire and Flames and Raining Blood with a real guitar because that is totally the same thing. Playing the guitar sim obviously makes me a professional guitar player.
Oh let's crank out some Gran Turismo as well. Why with those skills at handling those overpowered cars I have acquired whilst playing GT, I will surely be the best car racer in the world. I better go out and start racing everywhere to show people how good I am because a racing-sim will make me want to do that. Don't you guys understand?
Oh and let's not forget the Mario Brothers. This Plumbers-Sim makes me want to clean toilets, drain pipes and jump on turtles because thats what the game was made for. It was a Plumber-Sim/Turtle-Murder-Sim game that only had the purpose of training us all to hate and kill turtles while plumbing.
I love these murder simulators. I also love those guitar-sims like Guitar Hero 3 that teach you how to play Through Fire and Flames and Raining Blood with a real guitar because that is totally the same thing. Playing the guitar sim obviously makes me a professional guitar player.
Oh let's crank out some Gran Turismo as well. Why with those skills at handling those overpowered cars I have acquired whilst playing GT, I will surely be the best car racer in the world. I better go out and start racing everywhere to show people how good I am because a racing-sim will make me want to do that. Don't you guys understand?
Oh and let's not forget the Mario Brothers. This Plumbers-Sim makes me want to clean toilets, drain pipes and jump on turtles because thats what the game was made for. It was a Plumber-Sim/Turtle-Murder-Sim game that only had the purpose of training us all to hate and kill turtles while plumbing.
Jack... seriously, come on, I don't know for sure, but, aren't almost all school shootings that have happened had a link to some kind of mental problems or at least some form of medication that they needed?
I think you should check into that before saying that all gamers are practicing to go on a rampage killing people.
And as for kids going back to their books, that's what parents are for. But wait! Parents aren't actually parenting!
I think you should check into that before saying that all gamers are practicing to go on a rampage killing people.
And as for kids going back to their books, that's what parents are for. But wait! Parents aren't actually parenting!
I'd say Jack's beloved bible is more of a murder simulator than video games. And yet, he wanks off to it on a daily basis.
He really deserves to drop dead. It's too bad he already spawned.
He really deserves to drop dead. It's too bad he already spawned.
@Arcanum
I may have missed something, but I don't recall it ever being said that Thompson was a particular religious nutjob. Not to be the devil's advocate or anything.
I may have missed something, but I don't recall it ever being said that Thompson was a particular religious nutjob. Not to be the devil's advocate or anything.
@Peronthious
Yeah, he is. He also has a particular hate for Islam. You can check his wikipedia page.
I really can't figure out how this pathetic bastard gets on television.
Yeah, he is. He also has a particular hate for Islam. You can check his wikipedia page.
I really can't figure out how this pathetic bastard gets on television.
"I may have missed something, but I don't recall it ever being said that Thompson was a particular religious nutjob. Not to be the devil's advocate or anything."
He has made reference to how he fights with God on his side in the past.
He has made reference to how he fights with God on his side in the past.
Mix said it first, Mr. Jack Thompson: the average age of a gamer today is above 25 years old. Maybe you can try to lie to the allready stupid parents by saying the lies you say. But at the end of the day you dont have facts about anything, not even for the most basic premise that is the violent behavior of a kid who plays violent videogames.
And we don't need to kill this "troll" by not feeding it, he can be used as a bad example... just like Cuba or North Korea.
And we don't need to kill this "troll" by not feeding it, he can be used as a bad example... just like Cuba or North Korea.
all i know is that there is a giant market for this stuff. lets face it guys, the game itself is incapable of harming anyone or causing emotional problems. people make thier own choices for better or worse. there seems to be two issues here; firstly, parents let thier very young children (and possibly friends) play these games. these games depict criminals killing innocent people for ammusement purposes. these simulations (please dont argue that the game doesnt attempt to simulate killing innocent people) are becoming very pointless and violent. GTA is not for little kids. if u buy them for your kid your an idiot. buy them "doom" where they will be killing monsters instead of pregnent women.
secondly, what sort of moral and or ethical obligations does "RockStar" have to it's consumer base? they claim that it's just a game and it is not to be taken seriously. however, they continue to make the game more and more life-like. selling drugs, punching girls are just a few examples.
everyone has thier own oppinion. mine is simple, i wouldnt buy this game for my kid if he was 15, he would have to make his own choice and buy it himself or play it at a friends house. this game is for adults only; period.
secondly, what sort of moral and or ethical obligations does "RockStar" have to it's consumer base? they claim that it's just a game and it is not to be taken seriously. however, they continue to make the game more and more life-like. selling drugs, punching girls are just a few examples.
everyone has thier own oppinion. mine is simple, i wouldnt buy this game for my kid if he was 15, he would have to make his own choice and buy it himself or play it at a friends house. this game is for adults only; period.
So, what's next? Is Burnout Paradise going to be vilified because I can bound down the street causing untold carnage with my car, only to have it respawn moments later with no ill effects?
Vehicular manslaughter simulator! Oh no!
Vehicular manslaughter simulator! Oh no!
If you take away the whole visual element, playing Counter Strike is really no different from opening an e-mail. All you're doing is clicking and dragging. Seeing how Thompson is usually swift to answer his mail, what exactly does this make him?
I usually refuse to suggesting banning people, but I have to agree with cbre88x's notion of banning Thompson. Nothing outside of the obvious he says is the truth, and when he does come close to saying anything that can be backed up by scientific data, he stretches it to his own agenda. (See: brain scans.) His sole purpose in life is to bait gamers into giving an emotional response. I'm going to have to bring up rule 13: don't argue with a troll, it means that they win. Until he brings cold hard facts to the table, he's nothing more than an internet and real life troll in my opinion. Thompson, you're a hack on your best days..
@Arcanum: What's worse is that if he does die, like any quality murder simulator has taught me, he'll just respawn at full health.
Also, Jack, please be my Dtoid friend. I want you to know when I post on the cblogs. K, thanks.
Also, Jack, please be my Dtoid friend. I want you to know when I post on the cblogs. K, thanks.
E-tards? Hehe, thats pretty good. Why didn't I think of that? I guess because I'm E-tarded. And not a lawyer with a snazzy haircut.
@ the people calling for banning Thompson: That would be the worst thing we could do. He would then declare victory for himself and claim we banned him because he was right and we didn't want to admit it.
I also find it funny how I play violent video games all the time and yet never have used any of my personal fire arms to kill people. It just might have to do with the fact I was taught right from wrong.
I also find it funny how I play violent video games all the time and yet never have used any of my personal fire arms to kill people. It just might have to do with the fact I was taught right from wrong.
@captainapocalypse
I have that nerf gun, and it is legit. It has served me well in the nerf gun wars that I've had. Also four people died during those nerf wars due to my extensive training in Goldeneye
I have that nerf gun, and it is legit. It has served me well in the nerf gun wars that I've had. Also four people died during those nerf wars due to my extensive training in Goldeneye
At this point were pretty much beating the ghost of a dead horse, right? Does anyone actually listen to and believe Jack Thompson anymore? Anyone? Hell, I've seen a video of Christians proclaiming Harry Potter to be the devil and they seemed more convincing than Jack Thompson ever was or will be. Maybe if we ignore him he'll just fade away...
you know what i learned from doing schoolwork?
i learned mixing warm water with dry ice creates pressure inside a closed container....enough pressure to blow something up good. guess what i ended up doing after school in my backyard. not playing murder simulators if thats what you were wondering.
i learned mixing warm water with dry ice creates pressure inside a closed container....enough pressure to blow something up good. guess what i ended up doing after school in my backyard. not playing murder simulators if thats what you were wondering.
I call shenanigans. I know JT's reputation as a lawyer isn't that great and he doesn't always make the best career decisions, but getting on a blog, calling people 'e-tards', and then saying "I'm a lawyer and you're not :P" seems utterly childish and foolish - even for him.
"etards"? "kiddies"? "I'm a lawyer and you're not so there"? If this is really what he's stooped to, then he has already lost his silly crusade.
If it was actually you JT, keep in mind that a good deal of us here are adults, who don't have 'homework', and in many cases are at least as, if not more educated than you claim to be.
"etards"? "kiddies"? "I'm a lawyer and you're not so there"? If this is really what he's stooped to, then he has already lost his silly crusade.
If it was actually you JT, keep in mind that a good deal of us here are adults, who don't have 'homework', and in many cases are at least as, if not more educated than you claim to be.
I want Jack to say more here on old Destructoid. The guy is a good laugh.
Can someone teach him how to make a c-blog? Epic lulz will ensue, I promise. I promise or your mattress is free, guys.
Can someone teach him how to make a c-blog? Epic lulz will ensue, I promise. I promise or your mattress is free, guys.
@grrza
Trust me, Jack DOES talk like that online... he's done it countless times in the comments over at GamePolitics and Dennis over there confirmed that the IP address used when he makes comments does indeed belong to the one and only Jack...
not sure if i recall him using the term "etard", but he's defiantly used the terms "kiddie" and the phrase "I'm and Lawyer and you're not", and acts in a blatantly unprofessional fashion... it's the difference between him talking in front of a camera and him posting online where he thinks no one that matters is looking...
hell, you can get to know what Jack is really like by just looking him up on WikiQuotes...
Trust me, Jack DOES talk like that online... he's done it countless times in the comments over at GamePolitics and Dennis over there confirmed that the IP address used when he makes comments does indeed belong to the one and only Jack...
not sure if i recall him using the term "etard", but he's defiantly used the terms "kiddie" and the phrase "I'm and Lawyer and you're not", and acts in a blatantly unprofessional fashion... it's the difference between him talking in front of a camera and him posting online where he thinks no one that matters is looking...
hell, you can get to know what Jack is really like by just looking him up on WikiQuotes...
With that, I mean without ever calling mr Thompson any names. I know his points lack any merit, but seriously, calling him names will further reinforce the idea that we're all antisocial murderers. For the rest, rock on.
I think I've read E-tard in some of his rants against Hal Halpin. He uses that since gamers took "pixelante" away from him.
It's amazing to note the difference between the calm, reserved Thompson on TV and the irrational, insulting Thompson online.
He wants us to threaten his life.
We should all pool some money and make a donation in his name to Child's Play.
We should all pool some money and make a donation in his name to Child's Play.
MR. JACK THOMPSON,
weren't you forced to undergo mental tests *cough*psych*evaluation*cough* and had your law license suspended for 91 days? yeah... and when you saw the commercial for Bioshock, you had to write and angry letter to the company that produced the game. but oops, you happended to send it to the wrong company. too bad.
and if your games are called "murder simulators", correct? so me playing driving simulator, such as Forza Motorsport, should definately make me one of the worlds greatest racers, correct? since i have no training or experience with real cars, without a license and all, i should be trusted on the road because you claim these games train us for these kinds of things. Your logic is pathetic at best.
weren't you forced to undergo mental tests *cough*psych*evaluation*cough* and had your law license suspended for 91 days? yeah... and when you saw the commercial for Bioshock, you had to write and angry letter to the company that produced the game. but oops, you happended to send it to the wrong company. too bad.
and if your games are called "murder simulators", correct? so me playing driving simulator, such as Forza Motorsport, should definately make me one of the worlds greatest racers, correct? since i have no training or experience with real cars, without a license and all, i should be trusted on the road because you claim these games train us for these kinds of things. Your logic is pathetic at best.
In before JT, to relegate him to >100th post. Didn't read any of the responses, just wanted Jim to know I love him.
First of all, I play video games since over 10 years. Then, Im a sociology and psychology student. There is distinct proof for an influence of consumption of violent media content on aggression. But right now I dont know how its supposed to work in detail. Maybe Ill write some blog entry here, if I have a decided opinion. Also, Jack Thompson sucks.
Nice try, Jim, but you lose. The American Psychological Association, the largest association of psychologists in the world, found that these "games" do indeed cause increased aggression. They model and then incite these behaviors.
The US Supreme Court in Roper v. Simmons in 2005 held that this type of information is processed in a different part of a teen's brain than in an adults, which leads to copycatting, violent behaviors.
You can piss and moan all you want about my position--that kids shouldn't be sold adult products--but all the science is on my side. And so are the American people. If you can read what is posted at other sites, note that at Gamepolitics.com, a recent video game industry poll found that 65% of the American people want a federal law that prohibits the sale of GTA and other similar games to kids under 17.
Go ahead. Claim the right of a 12-year-old to walk into Wal-Mart and buy GTA with his saved lunch money. Only silly, hardcore gamers think that.
I'm in the majority, and your minority, with these massacres piling up, is losing. So sue me.
Jack Thompson
The US Supreme Court in Roper v. Simmons in 2005 held that this type of information is processed in a different part of a teen's brain than in an adults, which leads to copycatting, violent behaviors.
You can piss and moan all you want about my position--that kids shouldn't be sold adult products--but all the science is on my side. And so are the American people. If you can read what is posted at other sites, note that at Gamepolitics.com, a recent video game industry poll found that 65% of the American people want a federal law that prohibits the sale of GTA and other similar games to kids under 17.
Go ahead. Claim the right of a 12-year-old to walk into Wal-Mart and buy GTA with his saved lunch money. Only silly, hardcore gamers think that.
I'm in the majority, and your minority, with these massacres piling up, is losing. So sue me.
Jack Thompson
Could you link these studies please Jack, I'd love to read what psychologists will say when paid enough.
We're not all teenagers. I would say more than 65% of Dtoiders are keen to keep GTA out of the hands of people aged under 17, and guess what, theres not many in the community younger than that.
All we're saying is keep your petty quest for stardom away from our pastime.
And keeping with your awesome comment signing skills,
BSE, qualified doctor, and youre not.
We're not all teenagers. I would say more than 65% of Dtoiders are keen to keep GTA out of the hands of people aged under 17, and guess what, theres not many in the community younger than that.
All we're saying is keep your petty quest for stardom away from our pastime.
And keeping with your awesome comment signing skills,
BSE, qualified doctor, and youre not.
We know that your position is regarding the sale of M+ rated games to children, but why then are you looking at this case?
The MAN was 27 years old. He was 19 when Counterstrike was released, meaning your "brain scans from Harvard" that depict the brains of young teens do not apply!
You claim the science is on your side, but to this date it hasn't done anything for you in court, and the courts have decided overwhelmingly in our favour so far :)
We're in the majority, and your alarmist and out-of-touch minority, with these failed lawsuits and proposed unconstitutional bans piling up, is losing. So sue us.
The MAN was 27 years old. He was 19 when Counterstrike was released, meaning your "brain scans from Harvard" that depict the brains of young teens do not apply!
You claim the science is on your side, but to this date it hasn't done anything for you in court, and the courts have decided overwhelmingly in our favour so far :)
We're in the majority, and your alarmist and out-of-touch minority, with these failed lawsuits and proposed unconstitutional bans piling up, is losing. So sue us.
Shoehorn just said everything for me. Shoehorn FTW. And is there any proof he ever played Counterstrike.
If you, Jack, claim that video games are murder simulators and turn people into sociopathic killers and you are, probably, the most hated person in the world by gamers then riddle me this. How come you are still alive?
What BSE said. If you don't link we can't verify what you're saying. Which is anti-scientific, actually.
I'd like to make the point that if I wanted, I could release a scientific paper stating that the moon was actually crafted by monkey love, not as a remnant of the creation of the Earth. Would it be right? Hell no. Just because someone has released a "scientific" paper with a theory on some subject does NOT make that theory right.
And for the record, I wouldn't want under 17s walking into Walmart to buy GTAIV either. But I certainly don't think for a second that if they did they will grow up to become serial murderers or anything.
Hell, I played Resident Evil as a kid and the only thing that perturbed me about it was the crappy dialogue!
I'd like to make the point that if I wanted, I could release a scientific paper stating that the moon was actually crafted by monkey love, not as a remnant of the creation of the Earth. Would it be right? Hell no. Just because someone has released a "scientific" paper with a theory on some subject does NOT make that theory right.
And for the record, I wouldn't want under 17s walking into Walmart to buy GTAIV either. But I certainly don't think for a second that if they did they will grow up to become serial murderers or anything.
Hell, I played Resident Evil as a kid and the only thing that perturbed me about it was the crappy dialogue!
Once again Jack Thompson jumps to a conclusion. Where in this thread does it say we want under 17s to buy Grand theft auto?
Nice try and deflecting the argument there.
The real question is do you really believe that Stephen Kazmierczak killed those people solely becuase he had played violent videogames in his lifetime?
Nice try and deflecting the argument there.
The real question is do you really believe that Stephen Kazmierczak killed those people solely becuase he had played violent videogames in his lifetime?
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