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Hm. Will blocking the ads leave big gaping open spaces on the dashboard where the ads should be then? Might just end up making the whole thing look like a big mess.
Or they'll start using the ad server to distribute other content as well, so that blocking it creates other headaches for users.
......... sad that it is coming to this on a service people ar epaying for. One is forced to wonder when it will be that logging into said service will force you to sit through 2-5min of unskippable commercials.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, Jim.
Advertising has no place within a paid service. It's one of the reason that going to the movies pisses me off so much now. I LIKE trailers... I don't like watching extended commercials before a movie I just paid good money to see.
Microsoft is already getting my money. I paid for the console, I paid for the game, I paid for XBLA Gold access... and now you're quadruple dipping and getting even more revenue through ads. Despicable.
Subsidize the service through ads entirely OR make it a premium subscription service. Not both. If you're going to do both, let people get a discount if they choose to see ads.
Advertising has no place within a paid service. It's one of the reason that going to the movies pisses me off so much now. I LIKE trailers... I don't like watching extended commercials before a movie I just paid good money to see.
Microsoft is already getting my money. I paid for the console, I paid for the game, I paid for XBLA Gold access... and now you're quadruple dipping and getting even more revenue through ads. Despicable.
Subsidize the service through ads entirely OR make it a premium subscription service. Not both. If you're going to do both, let people get a discount if they choose to see ads.
I like how the paid service looks like a NASCAR stock car yet PSN, the free service, is pretty much clean.
I'm doing this asap. From a multi billionare company who had a very profitable year and still charges an overpriced yearly fee, the ads are spitting in the face of the fan.
I once saw a WoW ad. Why would microsoft try to loose members to that addictive mmo?
I once saw a WoW ad. Why would microsoft try to loose members to that addictive mmo?
@sqlrob
Yes just like them, Cable started out commercial free and the weaseled them in over the years ..... now its indistinguishable from free broadcast television.
And DvDs that lock you into watching 5-10min of Coming soon attractions from 5 years ago.....
And with the way things are going this is going to end up just like those, Enjoy :)
Yes just like them, Cable started out commercial free and the weaseled them in over the years ..... now its indistinguishable from free broadcast television.
And DvDs that lock you into watching 5-10min of Coming soon attractions from 5 years ago.....
And with the way things are going this is going to end up just like those, Enjoy :)
I WOULD agree with the cable/satellite example of "you pay for it but still have ads", except it's illegal to have ads in those services here. The only ads allowed are public service ads for charities and such & ads for other channels from the same cable/sat company.
If only that law also applied to Xbox LIVE.
If only that law also applied to Xbox LIVE.
Yea advertisements are the devil. I'm outraged that they're on my "home" page. Seriously, if you don't get pissed off at stupid stuff, you're not a gamer, right?
It's not like you have to wait 10 seconds and watch a trailer before you play a game or download something, these are the least intrusive ads I've encountered which is why I don't care.
It's not like you have to wait 10 seconds and watch a trailer before you play a game or download something, these are the least intrusive ads I've encountered which is why I don't care.
Say Jim, this is helpful, but doesn't the second method require a static IP or re-doing everytime a router is turned off/reboots?
I'm not a network engineer, but I think something like that might be worth a quick check with one of your tech guys, as if it is, it'd be worth including so the angry 7 year old Halo fanboy parade doesn't hate you even more.
I'm not a network engineer, but I think something like that might be worth a quick check with one of your tech guys, as if it is, it'd be worth including so the angry 7 year old Halo fanboy parade doesn't hate you even more.
Israel. Which is, ironically, "not supported" by Microsoft's XBL/GFWL. (PSN, Steam, and every other game service is.) Of course, I just set my account to United States and continued gaming.
I seriously dislike the new dash. Is it too much to ask for that we can organize it to some degree ourselves have a custom tab or section. Also whats with the auto play in Netflix it makes picking an episode out of a tv show pretty craptacular. This is not what I pay 60 bones a year for Microsoft. This thing should be getting easier to navigate not worse over time. Did someone actually design this interface and say "yeah this is nice and easy to use, all the content they want is in tiny odd shaped boxes, the ads are giant and everywhere on their premium service, and their most used apps and content is nicely distributed away from eachother and deep into the UI, Perfect!"
That's the price we gotta pay for Corporate Capitalism. If the ads become a bother, I'll put that to good use. One drawback is that Microsoft could use this as an excuse to ban consoles for blocking ads.
Also, next time you do one of these kinds of stories, could you put in something Beavis and Butthead related? I like Regular Show, but I wouldn't mind the MTV duo.
Also, next time you do one of these kinds of stories, could you put in something Beavis and Butthead related? I like Regular Show, but I wouldn't mind the MTV duo.
@scuffles: So why any shock? Hell, this isn't particularly new even on the dashboard. The title of my blog post after I first hooked up my 360 to the net was "My God, it's full of ads"
My biggest problem with the update is how they shoved the actual game part of the xbox into a 1/4 size box in the corner of a page. It pretty much solidifies that microsoft doesnt want a gaming machine anymore. It also pretty much ells me to not buy the next generation microsoft "entertainment" machine also.
Most digital items these days make you pay for no ads. I thinkm$ still thinks consumers are fine with it.
I'm used to the Dashboard getting worse with every new version, but this one is really poorly designed. For something that people are meant to be controlling with Kinect if they want to there is a fucking ridiculous amount of unneeded clutter and poorly allocated space.
@rodeo
That's right, you keep championing the good fight of complacency! Why should anyone give a fuck about anything anywhere ever! Yayyy apathy!
That's right, you keep championing the good fight of complacency! Why should anyone give a fuck about anything anywhere ever! Yayyy apathy!
Ad blocking worked well. They just get replaced with a picture of generic, happy avatars.
Anyone know where the Indie games have disappeared to? I can Bing them fine, so they still exist, but not sure where their primary listing is.
Anyone know where the Indie games have disappeared to? I can Bing them fine, so they still exist, but not sure where their primary listing is.
Nothing wrong with advertisements. They were once called "infomercials" meaning "to inform" which is hardly a bad thing.
But it seems like xbox's ads are intrusive. I don't know what the hell I'm clicking on.
But it seems like xbox's ads are intrusive. I don't know what the hell I'm clicking on.
People still complaining about ads: "Lets all be detractors and fight against ads because they are the man! YEAH!!!" The new dashboard update is a big improvment and its nice and sleek, I can now see my backround better, and everything is well organized along with not having the big tile ads fromt he last version they are a minimal tile now. What I find funny is that people complaining about ads will criticize Microsoft about ads but they wont criticize steam for having ads or Destructoid for that matter "OMG GET THE ADS OUT OF MY WEBSITE A HUUR DUUR HUUR" I mean come on guys seriously, are you that retarded? All I see on the dashboard are ads for games or movies in the movies section. What is your guys' problems? Do you go against something for the sake of doing it? Its like people that hate COD because its "more of the same" but then go play Battlefield 3 or Halo, which is more of the same as well. Hypocrites.
I really don't understand the ire. They're there whether you pay or not, and the online multiplayer service that the fees go towards is still ad-free. A few ads on the dashboard that I spend only a few minutes on at a time maximum honestly don't bother me. They're not intrusive and sometimes they're even useful.
I only have a free account and it does my head in that almost the whole screen at any given time is taken up with either adverts for Gold or services that require gold as well as all the other adverts.
They need to make the service ad supported and lose the subscription or at least not charge for stuff that's free on the PS3.
They need to make the service ad supported and lose the subscription or at least not charge for stuff that's free on the PS3.
My problem isn't the ads but the amount of space they take up. Half the Home slide is taken up by an ad for Sky whilst the actual game I'm playing is tiny. Disabling them isn't gonna rearrange the dashboard.
@Ragnar Dragonfyre
Trailers are advertisments. They are created for the sold purpose of getting you to buy or pay for that movie.
There are ads on all kinds of pay services, movies, cable, satellite, at sporting events. It's everywhere and news flash here, you pay for that service too. It's unfortunate, but it's part of life, it's what brings you your entertainment for free or cheaper price.
My only issue would be the size they are on the screen not their presence.
Trailers are advertisments. They are created for the sold purpose of getting you to buy or pay for that movie.
There are ads on all kinds of pay services, movies, cable, satellite, at sporting events. It's everywhere and news flash here, you pay for that service too. It's unfortunate, but it's part of life, it's what brings you your entertainment for free or cheaper price.
My only issue would be the size they are on the screen not their presence.
@AiurProtoss
MICROSOFT WHITE KNIGHTING YEAH!
And... just so we are clear on this whole "HURR STEAM DOES ADS DURRRRR" Shit people seem to bring up... YOU DONT PAY FOR STEAM. YOU DONT PAY FOR DESTRUCTOID. The ads are NOT just for games or movies, car commercials, food items, military, etc.
It boils down to the fact that microsoft is taking more money from us, and not putting any of it back into improving the service. Adding Kinect features, or slowly trickling in free applications available everywhere else under the disguise of "value of a gold membership" is not improving, its asinine.
And before anyone else says "You pay for cable, it has ads" No shit, thats why you get yourself a DVR, watch it online, or on demand. With Cable, at least it gives you the option to skip channels, create a lineup, and avoid shit you dont want to see.
MICROSOFT WHITE KNIGHTING YEAH!
And... just so we are clear on this whole "HURR STEAM DOES ADS DURRRRR" Shit people seem to bring up... YOU DONT PAY FOR STEAM. YOU DONT PAY FOR DESTRUCTOID. The ads are NOT just for games or movies, car commercials, food items, military, etc.
It boils down to the fact that microsoft is taking more money from us, and not putting any of it back into improving the service. Adding Kinect features, or slowly trickling in free applications available everywhere else under the disguise of "value of a gold membership" is not improving, its asinine.
And before anyone else says "You pay for cable, it has ads" No shit, thats why you get yourself a DVR, watch it online, or on demand. With Cable, at least it gives you the option to skip channels, create a lineup, and avoid shit you dont want to see.
@AiurProtoss
"What I find funny is that people complaining about ads will criticize Microsoft about ads but they wont criticize steam for having ads or Destructoid for that matter... I mean come on guys seriously, are you that retarded?"
How much do you pay a year to Steam to view their site? How much to view Destructoid?
Obviously it's you who's a fucking retard.
Ads help keep free sites up and running. People are upset because they already pay for LIVE. They shouldn't be burdened with ads.
"What I find funny is that people complaining about ads will criticize Microsoft about ads but they wont criticize steam for having ads or Destructoid for that matter... I mean come on guys seriously, are you that retarded?"
How much do you pay a year to Steam to view their site? How much to view Destructoid?
Obviously it's you who's a fucking retard.
Ads help keep free sites up and running. People are upset because they already pay for LIVE. They shouldn't be burdened with ads.
If the service was free, advertising wouldn't be an issue... but as you've noted, when people PAY for the service - they shouldn't be inundated with advertisements.
@sqlrob
Because this is an instance where people know exactly what the long term probable ramifications of this action mean and are poised to actually do something about it.
Instead of sitting back complacently until something finally comes along that has them saying "enough is enough" about 5 years too effing late.
But that would also require most people not to be total stooges ..... so like I said, Enjoy the adverts ^^
Because this is an instance where people know exactly what the long term probable ramifications of this action mean and are poised to actually do something about it.
Instead of sitting back complacently until something finally comes along that has them saying "enough is enough" about 5 years too effing late.
But that would also require most people not to be total stooges ..... so like I said, Enjoy the adverts ^^
To be clear, the ads with the new dash take up less space than the previous version. "Intrusive" means one square exists in the bottom right-hand corner. You don't have to highlight it (which you did before) and by default, the system highlights your disc drive and the quick-launch button (as opposed to before where it highlighted what amounted to ads). It's better laid out, and includes a ton of new services for no additional cost. I'm ok with this.
Ragnar Dragonfyre
"Advertising has no place within a paid service"
Cable TV, magazines and newspapers unfortunately all do. I think it would be almost impossible to consume mass media if you held your entertainment to that standard. I agree that ideally there shouldn't be ads in addition to these services, but there simply are, and the business models are based on them being there.
Ragnar Dragonfyre
"Advertising has no place within a paid service"
Cable TV, magazines and newspapers unfortunately all do. I think it would be almost impossible to consume mass media if you held your entertainment to that standard. I agree that ideally there shouldn't be ads in addition to these services, but there simply are, and the business models are based on them being there.
@scuffles:
I knew the long term ramifications years ago, hence the blog post back then. Bringing it up now is the too late.
I knew the long term ramifications years ago, hence the blog post back then. Bringing it up now is the too late.
@Ray Tarded
When I pay $60 a year for destructoid or to have access to steam .... you will have a point..... of course I can't think of the last non steam related add I have seen in Steam .... So short of advertising HEY THIS GAME IS ON SALE NAO! ..... what advertisements am I missing?
When I pay $60 a year for destructoid or to have access to steam .... you will have a point..... of course I can't think of the last non steam related add I have seen in Steam .... So short of advertising HEY THIS GAME IS ON SALE NAO! ..... what advertisements am I missing?
Please keep in mind that ads are partially subsidizing your entertainment in the cases of magazines, newspapers and cable television shows. You're not paying the entire cost of those services. You're paying PART of the cost of those services, and splitting that cost with the advertisers.
I don't know if that's the case with XBL as well. It may well be. Or not. Simply pointing out the mechanism of advertisement in the case of the analogies people are making.
I don't know if that's the case with XBL as well. It may well be. Or not. Simply pointing out the mechanism of advertisement in the case of the analogies people are making.
1) Enter discussion where people who care are speaking
2) Ask "who gives a fuck?"
3) ????
4) Kill yourself.
2) Ask "who gives a fuck?"
3) ????
4) Kill yourself.
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