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People who don't get why this is upsetting are short sighted. Vote with your wallets and sound off, guys.
I can't believe how many people are so complacent about this: "Herp derp, gamers need to stop being crybabies.".
"Herp derp, I'm an ignorant asshole who will buy anything you throw at me." sounds more like what I'm seeing.
If on disc DLC and all that other bullshit the game companies have pulled so far haven't made you pull your head out of your ass, what will it take to get you all to wake up?
"Herp derp, I'm an ignorant asshole who will buy anything you throw at me." sounds more like what I'm seeing.
If on disc DLC and all that other bullshit the game companies have pulled so far haven't made you pull your head out of your ass, what will it take to get you all to wake up?
As I've said before, the problem isn't inherently in the inability to delete data. The problem is that deleting data is something gamers have been able to do since the inception of saved data. There is absolutely NO REASON why this feature would be taken out, other than to fuck the consumer. THAT is the issue here; the blatant attack on gamers. We've seen it with Online Pass, and it's evolving before us.
Plus, it fucking sucks that we can't delete saves, because it's fun to go through again with nothing unlocked sometimes. But that's ironically beside the point here.
Plus, it fucking sucks that we can't delete saves, because it's fun to go through again with nothing unlocked sometimes. But that's ironically beside the point here.
I love the whiny babies complaining about the whiny babies. Why don't you direct you anonymous hatred at capcom for doing such an awful thing instead of releasing your anger on people who want to buy the game.
Actually I'm just getting tired of people saying gamers are "spoiled" or "entitled" when they voice disapproval. It's called capitalism guys. If you don't like a game or what it does, and you voice your disapproval and refuse to buy it, how does that make you a self entitled spoiled baby?
This game does have a major problem and Capcom is to blame. However, if the game is still good/medicore/whatever otherwise, then it should be reviewed on those merits ALONG with that major problem. Amazon bombing is fucking stupid, you don't just 0 or 1 star something because you have a single problem with it. Remember how much hell was raised because of the Portal 2 user reviews on Metacritic that did this? THIS IS THE SAME THING, it doesn't matter if you don't like the game, it's hypocritical to claim this is okay.
It's so annoying to hear people whine and talk about all these assumptions about "rights" and "secondary markets". The issue is simple. Capcom has equal right to disallow deletion of saved data as it does to not put in a save feature at all. Capcom can release it in whatever state they want, it's their product. Truth is the secondary market hurts the industry. All this pie in the sky talk about positive effects for the industry is apologist nonsense.
Used games are rarely in collection worthy condition anyways, come on guys.
Used games are rarely in collection worthy condition anyways, come on guys.
@Tim Hagley
And consumers have a right to complain and not buy the product! Capcom is perfectly free to hurt their game sales by making boneheaded business decisions.
And consumers have a right to complain and not buy the product! Capcom is perfectly free to hurt their game sales by making boneheaded business decisions.
@SourGr8pes And I'm tired of ass holes who act like they are better than people who don't really care. It's a matter of opinion, not whether someone is the salve of some company. No need to insult others because you didn't get your way.
Capcom is treading on thin ice as of late with this crap.
I think it all started with that Final Fight dual game pack that you couldn't play without a persistent online connection. In that case, I didn't buy a game I really wanted because of their stupid "protection" that would do nothing except occasionally preventing me from playing a game that I BOUGHT.
What the hell, Capcom?
(PS. Paying as much as the damn game for extra costumes in a fighting game is also ridiculous)
I think it all started with that Final Fight dual game pack that you couldn't play without a persistent online connection. In that case, I didn't buy a game I really wanted because of their stupid "protection" that would do nothing except occasionally preventing me from playing a game that I BOUGHT.
What the hell, Capcom?
(PS. Paying as much as the damn game for extra costumes in a fighting game is also ridiculous)
All these people bitching about not being able to buy this game for five dollars less should put their money where their mouth is and buy a struggling game that is critically acclaimed. You get a great game, and you improve the chances of the developer staying in business and releasing a sequel.
@tim hagley
It's not even entirely about the used market. Capcom is still taking away a feature that legitimate customers won't have access to. As some people have stated, what if your sibling, friends, family want to start a new file? What if, years from now, used copies of the game will be all that you can find?
I may be weird, but I liked deleting my super smash bros melee data just to unlock the characters and content again. Unlocking content adds to replay value, which is why capcom didn't have everything unlocked from the beginning.
Even if this inability to erase your data doesn't affect you personally, there may still be a small minority of people who get screwed over by this, and it would at least be justifiable if there was a good reason for doing it, but it's all just a cash grab.
It's not even entirely about the used market. Capcom is still taking away a feature that legitimate customers won't have access to. As some people have stated, what if your sibling, friends, family want to start a new file? What if, years from now, used copies of the game will be all that you can find?
I may be weird, but I liked deleting my super smash bros melee data just to unlock the characters and content again. Unlocking content adds to replay value, which is why capcom didn't have everything unlocked from the beginning.
Even if this inability to erase your data doesn't affect you personally, there may still be a small minority of people who get screwed over by this, and it would at least be justifiable if there was a good reason for doing it, but it's all just a cash grab.
@Tim Hagley, yes, and we have the right to speak with our wallets. Everyone-- EVERYONE knows a corporation can do what they want with their own product. Capcom can also re-release Megaman 2 in disc format for $60 if they so choose. It seems to me like YOU'RE an apologist for the producer.
@the7k
Except, you don't have to buy any game at full price ever. Outside of those 10-15 or so game released every year that sell 5+ million on each individual console release, pretty much every single game reduces price by 15+ dollars after 2 or 3 months. There's this asinine compulsion to by every single game the day or week of to be current.
Except, you don't have to buy any game at full price ever. Outside of those 10-15 or so game released every year that sell 5+ million on each individual console release, pretty much every single game reduces price by 15+ dollars after 2 or 3 months. There's this asinine compulsion to by every single game the day or week of to be current.
I won't buy it, but I won't do this. Complain to Capcom directly, maybe, and seeing as a good 50+ games in my library are made by tgem, that should mean something. But doing this? No. It is a wee bit childish. Remember like three days ago we heard about writing to Nintendo en masse, hoping to get some great games localized? Why don't we do that?
Like it or not, Capcom does have the right to do this. And we have the right to fight back. But do it intelligently. I plan to write a letter or two to them. Hell, I might rally up a group to do this. This is one of many of Capcom's offenses. Another straw on the camel's back. Don't act like this is nothing. This is part of something huge. It will get to the point where every game you buy is chock-full of DRM, on-disc DLC, and the company will slam you with highly overpriced DLC, and a lot of it will be on day 1.
Capcom has shown that they only care about the big dollar, and couldn't give a shit less about what the fans think. Between them, Activision, EA, and it's looking like Warner is joining in, we could have a very restricted, very expensive gaming future.
Like it or not, Capcom does have the right to do this. And we have the right to fight back. But do it intelligently. I plan to write a letter or two to them. Hell, I might rally up a group to do this. This is one of many of Capcom's offenses. Another straw on the camel's back. Don't act like this is nothing. This is part of something huge. It will get to the point where every game you buy is chock-full of DRM, on-disc DLC, and the company will slam you with highly overpriced DLC, and a lot of it will be on day 1.
Capcom has shown that they only care about the big dollar, and couldn't give a shit less about what the fans think. Between them, Activision, EA, and it's looking like Warner is joining in, we could have a very restricted, very expensive gaming future.
Capcom is one of the worst in the industry. The fact that you have to pay over $115 for the full Street Fighter IV experience is insane.
I agree that the proper way to respond if you are passionate about this would be to simply not buy the product. My problem is that people seem to think that they are entitled to specific form of a save feature which is ridiculous. As a collector, the difficulty of finding out of print games (the only time I would consider used) is a valid point and I'll concede that as the one aspect of this development that troubles me but with the rise of the digital format this is quickly becoming a non-issue. Many of my SNES cartridges no longer have the ability to save data because their internal batteries have expired.
I spent about five minutes playing a pre-release version at WonderCon '11. Capcom I want those five minutes back, thanks. I didn't think I could want this game any LESS after that time, thanks Capcom for proving me wrong!
"As I said earlier, I'm choosing to respectfully reverse my decision to buy the game due to the potential implications of this move." Jim is really good at sounding like a lawyer. I dont understand what respectfully means. Respect what? Who? Capcom? Why?
@Tim Hagley
It's not "a specific form of a save feature". It's "the very basic save functionality we've had for years" and they're removing it without explaining WHY. Not that the WHY really matters, because whatever the reason is, it will be stupid. DRM is a disease and this is just a form of DRM. They're trying to tell us, the consumers, what we're allowed to do with our game data. Saving, loading, and deleting are freedoms that consumers of not just games but all forms of electronic media have always had.
Capcom is effectively trying to set a precedent by telling its players: "you can only play this once". What if you want to start a new game? You shouldn't have to explain why. It's your choice. But guess what, you can't.. not unless you resort to buying a new copy, or worse yet - piracy. Eventually, you won't be able to trade in your games (or even return a game for a legitimate refund, at other retailers) because your copy will be worthless. What if this catches on outside of video games? Do you really want developers and publishers telling you how you can use the item you purchased, and how many times you can use it?
If you don't care about these things, you're part of the problem.
It's not "a specific form of a save feature". It's "the very basic save functionality we've had for years" and they're removing it without explaining WHY. Not that the WHY really matters, because whatever the reason is, it will be stupid. DRM is a disease and this is just a form of DRM. They're trying to tell us, the consumers, what we're allowed to do with our game data. Saving, loading, and deleting are freedoms that consumers of not just games but all forms of electronic media have always had.
Capcom is effectively trying to set a precedent by telling its players: "you can only play this once". What if you want to start a new game? You shouldn't have to explain why. It's your choice. But guess what, you can't.. not unless you resort to buying a new copy, or worse yet - piracy. Eventually, you won't be able to trade in your games (or even return a game for a legitimate refund, at other retailers) because your copy will be worthless. What if this catches on outside of video games? Do you really want developers and publishers telling you how you can use the item you purchased, and how many times you can use it?
If you don't care about these things, you're part of the problem.
I dont agree with what Capcom is doing but i also dont agree with this stunt in particular.
These reviews are meant for the quality of the game, not one feature and bombing it with shitty reviews cause of one feature does make people look like babies when the anger is legitimate.
Write letters, post on their site, send emails and dont buy the product. Then maybe people will take these people more seriously.
These reviews are meant for the quality of the game, not one feature and bombing it with shitty reviews cause of one feature does make people look like babies when the anger is legitimate.
Write letters, post on their site, send emails and dont buy the product. Then maybe people will take these people more seriously.
I understand the issue now. For sure, to buy a used game that has a save you can't delete and is fully opened takes away any enjoyment of the game. I very rarely buy used games anyways, but I know I would not buy a game like this. Does Nintendo have any say in any of this? Surely Capcom see this is harmful to a game for any reason.
If only games were priced correctly. For this game I would possibly pay $20, seeing as it is purely a mini game that was within a previous RE game. But then again I wouldn't even piss on the game seeing as they screwed the gamers over. I for one like to let other people try my games and I would feel so much better knowing they ain't messing with my save file.
If only games were priced correctly. For this game I would possibly pay $20, seeing as it is purely a mini game that was within a previous RE game. But then again I wouldn't even piss on the game seeing as they screwed the gamers over. I for one like to let other people try my games and I would feel so much better knowing they ain't messing with my save file.
@Sanious, that is exactly what I'm saying. Being childish and throwing a tantrum does no good. Acting civilized and bringing forth the issues in an appropriate manner is what should be done. You act like a child, you shall be treated as a child.
@EggmaniMN, it's not whining, it's protesting a turn for the worst. Do you enjoying paying hundreds to play SFIV the way it was meant to be played? And no, not by buying an arcade cabinet (**drool**), but just to play it on your console?
No. Now that isn't the saving issue, but it's part of what Capcom stands for. Tell me, when was the last time Capcom DIDN'T try just cash in? How many Mega Man titles are there? Resident Evil? How about rebooting Devil May Cry? Charging for the fucking Mega Man Legends 3 demo, claiming that if it doesn't get enough sales, that they'll drop it? They only care about your wallet. They need to be informed that we know.
@EggmaniMN, it's not whining, it's protesting a turn for the worst. Do you enjoying paying hundreds to play SFIV the way it was meant to be played? And no, not by buying an arcade cabinet (**drool**), but just to play it on your console?
No. Now that isn't the saving issue, but it's part of what Capcom stands for. Tell me, when was the last time Capcom DIDN'T try just cash in? How many Mega Man titles are there? Resident Evil? How about rebooting Devil May Cry? Charging for the fucking Mega Man Legends 3 demo, claiming that if it doesn't get enough sales, that they'll drop it? They only care about your wallet. They need to be informed that we know.
I see maturity is at all-time low. Way to go gamers! Way to go in the opposite dirction of progress.
It would probably be better to write directly to Capcom about this fucking bullshit development, but hey, what do I know?
OneRed and llort het, you guys are on fire! I totally agree with you.
@Epic: So because Capcom made an awesome game in the past they can set a restrictive precedent that could show up in future games? That's not right, man... where does it end?
@Epic: So because Capcom made an awesome game in the past they can set a restrictive precedent that could show up in future games? That's not right, man... where does it end?
@Tim Hagley: There's no entitlement here; if people are paying money for video games, they expect basic standards that have been implemented in video games for generations. It's a two-way street. A company gives people what they want (or need) in exchange for money. That's the most basic principle here and it's being completely ignored by Capcom so that they can try a strategy that is obviously being used to circumvent a non-existent problem, i.e. the used games industry.
They aren't SAYING that, but you really don't need extraordinary extrapolation skills to understand that this is what they're doing. There are defenders (not saying you're necessarily one of them Tim) that are quick to say "everyone's just bitching and moaning" but they never really think about the big picture. Imagine if this became an industry standard. I promise it's not a good thing and people should speak out. There's less of a point to sitting back and sucking a multi-billion-dollar company's dick than there is to "bitching", especially when said bitching provokes rapid and wide discussion that forces the publisher to take an action that benefits the consumer.
Therein lies another problem with defending these companies. Many people want a deletion feature. The game is being blocked from several video game chains around the world because of its absence. Capcom can implement it very easily without a loss to them, and with a benefit to the other parties involved, i.e. retailers and consumers. How does anyone defend Capcom in this instance? I'd like to hear it.
They aren't SAYING that, but you really don't need extraordinary extrapolation skills to understand that this is what they're doing. There are defenders (not saying you're necessarily one of them Tim) that are quick to say "everyone's just bitching and moaning" but they never really think about the big picture. Imagine if this became an industry standard. I promise it's not a good thing and people should speak out. There's less of a point to sitting back and sucking a multi-billion-dollar company's dick than there is to "bitching", especially when said bitching provokes rapid and wide discussion that forces the publisher to take an action that benefits the consumer.
Therein lies another problem with defending these companies. Many people want a deletion feature. The game is being blocked from several video game chains around the world because of its absence. Capcom can implement it very easily without a loss to them, and with a benefit to the other parties involved, i.e. retailers and consumers. How does anyone defend Capcom in this instance? I'd like to hear it.
When you see changes in behavior from both DRM-loving publishers and brainless Fox News mouthpieces following an Amazon bomb, it gives the impression that the tactic gets results. Too many people have caved to the tactic for people to write it off as pointless.
Also, anyone out there who believes the bombed reviews will be swiftly and totally deleted, and that "future ones will be moderated closely": try telling that to Cooper Lawrence (aka, Miss "I-don't-know-shit-about-Mass-Effect-but-why-should-that-stop-me"). I believe her latest book now commands the lofty price of $0.01.
Also, anyone out there who believes the bombed reviews will be swiftly and totally deleted, and that "future ones will be moderated closely": try telling that to Cooper Lawrence (aka, Miss "I-don't-know-shit-about-Mass-Effect-but-why-should-that-stop-me"). I believe her latest book now commands the lofty price of $0.01.
@flea friend, HAH, I remember that. She definitely had it coming.
True, it has worked, but I believe that being civil is key. It also makes me believe in evolution for progress, rather than Idiocracy.
True, it has worked, but I believe that being civil is key. It also makes me believe in evolution for progress, rather than Idiocracy.
@Tim Hagley: There's no entitlement here; if people are paying money for video games, they expect basic standards that have been implemented in video games for generations. It's a two-way street. A company gives people what they want (or need) in exchange for money. That's the most basic principle here and it's being completely ignored by Capcom so that they can try a strategy that is obviously being used to circumvent a non-existent problem, i.e. the used games industry.
They aren't SAYING that, but you really don't need extraordinary extrapolation skills to understand that this is what they're doing. There are defenders (not saying you're necessarily one of them Tim) that are quick to say "everyone's just bitching and moaning" but they never really think about the big picture. Imagine if this became an industry standard. I promise it's not a good thing and people should speak out. There's less of a point to sitting back and sucking a multi-billion-dollar company's dick than there is to "bitching", especially when said bitching provokes rapid and wide discussion that forces the publisher to take an action that benefits the consumer.
Therein lies another problem with defending these companies. Many people want a deletion feature. The game is being blocked from several video game chains around the world because of its absence. Capcom can implement it very easily without a loss to them, and with a benefit to the other parties involved, i.e. retailers and consumers. How does anyone defend Capcom in this instance? I'd like to hear it.
They aren't SAYING that, but you really don't need extraordinary extrapolation skills to understand that this is what they're doing. There are defenders (not saying you're necessarily one of them Tim) that are quick to say "everyone's just bitching and moaning" but they never really think about the big picture. Imagine if this became an industry standard. I promise it's not a good thing and people should speak out. There's less of a point to sitting back and sucking a multi-billion-dollar company's dick than there is to "bitching", especially when said bitching provokes rapid and wide discussion that forces the publisher to take an action that benefits the consumer.
Therein lies another problem with defending these companies. Many people want a deletion feature. The game is being blocked from several video game chains around the world because of its absence. Capcom can implement it very easily without a loss to them, and with a benefit to the other parties involved, i.e. retailers and consumers. How does anyone defend Capcom in this instance? I'd like to hear it.
IM GOING TO BUY SEVERAL COPIES, NAME THE SAVES AFTER RACIAL SLURS, AND SELL THEM TO UNSUSPECTING ETHNICITIES.
@ Epic-KxDtoid
fool where is rival schools now no where they dont care about the customer anymore with this save data fiasco capcom is not getting any money from me anymore because their game have been crap lately also bet your one of those call of duty people saying call of duty is so great but it a rehash of a rehash.
fool where is rival schools now no where they dont care about the customer anymore with this save data fiasco capcom is not getting any money from me anymore because their game have been crap lately also bet your one of those call of duty people saying call of duty is so great but it a rehash of a rehash.
People saying this doesn't matter are blatantly ignorant fools.
Unlocking rewards is one of the most common gameplay mecahnics around. Imagine buying a game that has all weapons and collectibles unlocked and found and unable to be reset, what would be the fucking point of playing? you'd burn through the story then stop. It's like having cheats permanently set to on.
This will set a horrifying new precedent in the game industry, a precedent that allows major restrictions on the way we use a basic function like saving and could kill a lot of replayability. we have no idea how far this could be taken and you are saying 'it doesn't matter'? fuck you.
Unlocking rewards is one of the most common gameplay mecahnics around. Imagine buying a game that has all weapons and collectibles unlocked and found and unable to be reset, what would be the fucking point of playing? you'd burn through the story then stop. It's like having cheats permanently set to on.
This will set a horrifying new precedent in the game industry, a precedent that allows major restrictions on the way we use a basic function like saving and could kill a lot of replayability. we have no idea how far this could be taken and you are saying 'it doesn't matter'? fuck you.
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